Subwoofers

[DocG]

Good idea! Now would they have dealers in Belgium...

Check www.lsound.eu. They allow 45-day home trial.

Yes, that's where I found out they exist 8^). But if I don't like them, the return shipping is on me (which might be quite substantial when sending a sub to Norway)... So if a demo is feasible, I'd prefer a brick&mortar dealer. If not, I've already bookmarked the lsound-website!

 

[Frank Harvey]

Yes, that's where I found out they exist 8^). But if I don't like them, the return shipping is on me (which might be quite substantial when sending a sub to Norway)... So if a demo is feasible, I'd prefer a brick&mortar dealer. If not, I've already bookmarked the lsound-website!

Hence why manufacturers need proper representation in the UK, as SVS have done. Take note Ken Kreisel!

 

[MattSPL]

+1 on the JL Audio subs. I used an F112 with a pair of ATC scm50asl's.

A pair of the new JL Audio Dominion subs would be best I think.

Hi Matt

Top quality subs Moving up a couple of gears you should hear a Fathom f212 and SCM100ASL's *biggrin*

Anyway, Dominion's along with another with their other new toy the JLink (wireless transmitter ) start to ship next month.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

Hi Rick

an F212 and scm100's would be stunning, or two F212's for some real bass punishment

The JLink will be a very handy device too, not just for ease of positioning, but less cable clutter.

cheers

Matt

 

[SteveR750]

JL Audio, Velodyne (Ultra/DD Series), Paradigm and SVS (SB13 Ultra)

Stereophile reviews: http://www.stereophile.com/category/subwoofer-reviews

FWIW. The best small Sub I've heard was the Paraidgm Seismic 110

Thanks for the link Cno, particularly the section on the science behind subwoofers. I think I'm in the camp of quality, not quantity, given my lounge is a suspended wooden floor, then it could easily be overwhelmed. My target is to get a flat response to 40Hz, so that bottom E on the bass guitar is reproduced fully. I think the Dspeaker Antinode will probably be extrememly useful in setting it up, so will need to factor that into the cost equation, unless I could borrow one of course!

If your floor is suspended, an Auralex Gramma is essential.

FWIW Here is an ex-dem Seismic: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Paradigm-Seismic-110-Subwoofer-/271856891944?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368

I was so impressed when I heard it, I wrote this: http://www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/paradigm-seismic-110-sub

On the test bench: http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/subwoofers/subwoofers-reviews/paradigm-reference-seismic-110-subwoofer/page-4-the-paradigm-reference-seismic-110-subwoofer-on-the-bench.html

This little fellow is also impressive: https://www.hsound.co.uk/product/velodyne-spl-800-ultra-subwoofer/

Wot's what?

 

[DocG]

As for positioning a sub in the room, there seem to be several 'schools':

1. Plunk it anywhere out of sight, preferably in a corner, to gain efficiency; sub-100 Hz sound is not directional anyway.

2. In front of the listening position, preferably at equal distance as the main speakers; even better in between the main speakers (but not right in the middle).

3. Whatever the sub's position or crossover-frequency, don't go for less than two subs (four is better!); whoever proclaims bass is not directional is cloth-eared.

With a good DSP at hand (Antimode, DEQX, sub's own DSP, whatever), which rule(s) should still be taken into account? What esthetically and socially acceptable solution could one get away with?

 

[bigboss]

http://www.audioholics.com/subwoofer-setup

 

[bigboss]

Another one:

http://www.svsound.com/t/art-of-subwoofer-placement

 

[DocG]

Thanks for the links, BB. Wil look into it tomorrow!

 

[DocG]

http://www.audioholics.com/subwoofer-setup

Another one:

http://www.svsound.com/t/art-of-subwoofer-placement

Excellent info, BigBoss. Clear and concise. I'll have to wait till I have the house for myself though -- wouldn't want anyone to come in while I'm doing the subwoofer crawl!*biggrin*

 

[MUSICRAFT]

+1 on the JL Audio subs. I used an F112 with a pair of ATC scm50asl's.

A pair of the new JL Audio Dominion subs would be best I think.

Hi Matt

Top quality subs Moving up a couple of gears you should hear a Fathom f212 and SCM100ASL's *biggrin*

Anyway, Dominion's along with another with their other new toy the JLink (wireless transmitter ) start to ship next month.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

Hi Rick

an F212 and scm100's would be stunning, or two F212's for some real bass punishment

The JLink will be a very handy device too, not just for ease of positioning, but less cable clutter.

cheers

Matt

Hi Matt

A Fathom f212 with SCM100ASL's is indeed stunning. I was listening to Seeing In The Dark (Champion's Selection - Patrick Chardronnet) through this combination and the performance was just awesome with a tight fisted, deep, fast and powerful bass. Two Fathom f212's too much

Only kidding *biggrin* The more the merrier

Btw, excellent track

You're spot on about their JLink

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

 

[CnoEvil]

JL Audio, Velodyne (Ultra/DD Series), Paradigm and SVS (SB13 Ultra)

Stereophile reviews: http://www.stereophile.com/category/subwoofer-reviews

FWIW. The best small Sub I've heard was the Paraidgm Seismic 110

Thanks for the link Cno, particularly the section on the science behind subwoofers. I think I'm in the camp of quality, not quantity, given my lounge is a suspended wooden floor, then it could easily be overwhelmed. My target is to get a flat response to 40Hz, so that bottom E on the bass guitar is reproduced fully. I think the Dspeaker Antinode will probably be extrememly useful in setting it up, so will need to factor that into the cost equation, unless I could borrow one of course!

If your floor is suspended, an Auralex Gramma is essential.

What's that?

Sorry, I didn't see this.

It is an isolation device that was designed for guitar amps and also works for Speakers and Subs. They also do the SubDude.

http://www.auralex.com/product/subdude-ii/

 

[gasolin]

If you need a subwoofer stand these are by fare the best http://www.isoacoustics.com/isol8r200sub.php

 

[SteveR750]

JL Audio, Velodyne (Ultra/DD Series), Paradigm and SVS (SB13 Ultra)

Stereophile reviews: http://www.stereophile.com/category/subwoofer-reviews

FWIW. The best small Sub I've heard was the Paraidgm Seismic 110

Thanks for the link Cno, particularly the section on the science behind subwoofers. I think I'm in the camp of quality, not quantity, given my lounge is a suspended wooden floor, then it could easily be overwhelmed. My target is to get a flat response to 40Hz, so that bottom E on the bass guitar is reproduced fully. I think the Dspeaker Antinode will probably be extrememly useful in setting it up, so will need to factor that into the cost equation, unless I could borrow one of course!

If your floor is suspended, an Auralex Gramma is essential.

What's that?

Sorry, I didn't see this.

It is an isolation device that was designed for guitar amps and also works for Speakers and Subs. They also do the SubDude.

http://www.auralex.com/product/subdude-ii/

Cno, the ATCs are on their rounded cones (not spikes) sat upon a marble slab. How are the Aurelex pads going to help?

 

[CnoEvil]

Cno, the ATCs are on their rounded cones (not spikes) sat upon a marble slab. How are the Aurelex pads going to help?

IME. The Auralex are specifically designed for the job making them more effective...though I was really talking about any Sub you might get.

FWIW. I use both, with the Granite under the Auralex.

I also have my speakers on them, but have a wooden surround, to give them stability. I photographed it here for Ben Law:

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/your-system/bens-hifi?page=2

Nb. This DIY platform raises the speakers up by about 85mm, so tweeter height can be an issue.