I have just purchased a Cyrus 6a and Cyrus CDi combo, having had a demo setup at a local Hi-Fi store. They initially had this paired with the LS50 speakers but this was not to my tastes, too sharp, clinical and lacked warmth and bass. They then wired up a pair of B&W CM6 S2 which were very good indeed and were a lot closer to the sound I prefer. I didn't buy these as I wanted to test my existing TDL Electronics RTL G30 speakers with the Cyrus system. Very happy I didn't lay out £1500 for the B&W CM6 S2's as I considered the G30's easily as good, if not bettter, in my home environment. However, these speakers are getting old and I fear that at some time in the future I will need to replace them. Now for the question, what would be a good replacement? The retailer is prepared to give me a home listen to any speakers over a weekend, if requested. Your thoughts much appreciated.
Speakers for Cyrus 6a and Cyrus CDi to replace TDL RTL G30
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Gazzip
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Spendor partner well with Cyrus but your desire for warmth and bass would worry me with this combination. To be honest from your description of the sound you are looking for I would genuinely question your choice of amplifier and source, both of which are on the clinical/analytical side.
Thanks Gazzip. You are correct about the Cyrus sound but I do want all that detail it adds to the overall soundstage produced. They did sound really nice with the B&W combo, lots of detail, enough drive and great scale but would prefer a pair of floorstanders. I have looked at the B&W 683 S2 but aephetically not keen on the Black Ash or White finish.
I agree with Spendor....and there is also Harbeth, Vienna Acoustics and possibly the previous model PMCs.
It's also worth noting that the Kef R Series does sound warmer and darker than the LS50s.
It's also worth noting that the Kef R Series does sound warmer and darker than the LS50s.
Gazzip
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Hi Andrew. I have no experience with B&W beyond a Zeppelin I owned a few years ago, but I have heard it said they have a well rounded bass. Have you considered a pair of stand mounts partnered with a sub? That would give you bags of detail as well as deep low frequencies. PLUS, if soundstage is your thing then stand mounts will always offer you more of this at the price point you identify.
Have you tried PMC? The transmission line design they employ across their entire range gives great low frequency even from their smaller boxes. I have a pair of Twenty 23's which give the FACT 12's a run for their money. The 12's are obviously better in all departments but the 23's hold their own!
Have you tried PMC? The transmission line design they employ across their entire range gives great low frequency even from their smaller boxes. I have a pair of Twenty 23's which give the FACT 12's a run for their money. The 12's are obviously better in all departments but the 23's hold their own!
Gazzip, thanks again for your input. I am a little limited to what speakers are available as I will need to audition them with the kit, hence the purchase when heard with the B&W CM6 S2. I know what the system can deliver and how it can sound. I like my current setup and the listening experience. I am restricted to two outlets within 100 miles who sell Cyrus but with a slightly different range of speakers available for audition. Another reply suggested the KEF R series as a possibilty. Given the current outlay of £1225, a speaker in that price range seems appropriate. Not to say I wouldn't spend more if the sound was right for me.
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If looking for standmounts then the pmc twenty 21's should definitely be on your audition list.for there given size and price I doubt anything will go as low,with the pace,timing that the little boxes can muster and did I mention that midrange and treble.lovely.and they'll happily play music anywhere you care to site them although they will sound a bit lean in free space,in front of a wall is where they sound at there best.
Thanks Mark, Gazzip and CnoEvil for your replies. Thankfully SevenoaksSoundandVision at Maidstone appear to have most of the speaker ranges you have all suggested, apart from the Marbeth and Vienna thankfully. I will drop them a line and see if I can book a demo with the Cyrus gear set up.
Sorry CnoEvil, just been listening to Paul McCartneys Venue and Mars now that I have connected the turntable. Yes Q Accoustics do the 3050i that WhatHiFi raves over. Shouldn't be a wasted trip to Maidstone's SevenOaksSoundand Vision then.
Make sure you also hear the Concept 40s from Q Acoustics as well.
I would be surprised if you don't hear something that tickles your fancy....be sure to report back with your findings.
I would be surprised if you don't hear something that tickles your fancy....be sure to report back with your findings.
Gray
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I use Cyrus (8) amp into PMC 21s. Like Mark, another 21 user, I can recommend them.
Being a transmission line design they may well give you the quality (if not the quantity) of bass you're used to with the TDLs. For lower bass you may prefer the twenty 23 - same two drivers as 21, including the fine tweeter, but a floorstander. Even if you can't borrow them, maybe worth hearing?
Being a transmission line design they may well give you the quality (if not the quantity) of bass you're used to with the TDLs. For lower bass you may prefer the twenty 23 - same two drivers as 21, including the fine tweeter, but a floorstander. Even if you can't borrow them, maybe worth hearing?
Thanks Gray and Mark. The twenty 23 certainly get a good review and, as you both mention, are transmission line also. The current G30's paired with the Cyrus are good to my ears. The bass is punchy without dominating the overall sound whilst the Cyrus compliments these with its crisp detail. It is a balanced match of two components that shouldn't really work but they just do.
Gazzip
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chebby
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This was the reason given: "However, these speakers are getting old and I fear that at some time in the future I will need to replace them."chebby said:
Gazzip
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CnoEvil said:
Fait enough, although it sounds as if there is still life in the old dogs yet.
The Kef R series that the OP mentions do actually work quite well with Cyrus kit. Many moons ago I had the R300, 500 and 700's on extended home demo and all running off a DACXP+ and Mono X300 combo, with a CDXTSE Transport. The R500's were probably the sweet spot in the range for me although for some strange reason I ended up buying the 700's? The R's are all rear ported which may be a consideration depending on their placement.
ANDREWTFINNEY said:
Ive got a like new pair kefr700 up for sale with all paper work. Perfect condition if interested email me andrewjvt@yahoo.com
Gazzip, indeed why change them. They are pre 1999 and I doubt they will last forever, although I might be pleasantly suprised. I generally plan ahead, it has taken me over a year to decide on the Cyrus system. If they eventually do stop working, and repair is really not an option, I have a good idea of what is available as a replacement with similar characteristics. Just being a little pessimistic and hope to be proved wrong.
Thanks Andrewjvt for you offer. I always audition before spending, like test driving a car, hence the amount of time it has taken me to get this far. As mentioned, I am planning ahead but not committing yet. Dealers can be very understanding and patient and I do return to them to make my purchase when ready and not buy over the internet. Hoping to keep these outlets open otherwise where would we go to audition. My old system was a blind eBay purchase based on HiFi reviews only. Didn't cost much but did revive my love for music again. That said I did get the G30's for £90, buyer collect. can't be all bad.
chebby
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ANDREWTFINNEY said:
I once bought a pair of second-hand Mordaunt Short MS20i Pearl speakers (built between 1997-1998). I sold them last year and they are still in daily use by the colleague who bought them.
My current 'spare' loudspeakers are a pair of JPW Sonata built around 1991. I last used them for a few weeks late last year and they were still perfect despite being almost 25 years old.
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