nopiano
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plastic penguin said:The Fact series was also a suggestion I made. :wall:
...happy to second it, then, pp! I did say which one too.
plastic penguin said:The Fact series was also a suggestion I made. :wall:
nopiano said:I haven't looked especially but I recall the floor standing models in PMCs twenty series are slightly more sensitive than the stand-mounting equivalent. So 24s will be slightly louder than 23s on the same amp. 100 watt minimum is nonsense!
You might also consider PMC fact.8 whch i have very much enjoyed on an all Naim system - at a price, mind you (north of five grand a pair).
davedotco said:i know that, in common with a number of other speaker manufacturers, PMC describe their speakers as easy to drive.
If by that you mean that they will go reasonably loud without obvious distortion, then you are right.
Personally I think the best points of PMC speakers are there dynamic capabilities and lack of compression, only really observable with amplifiers with a decent output capability.
They recomment Bryston or their own (very inexpensive) 200 watt monoblocks for a reason.
audioaffair said:Not sure if you have looked at Neat Acoustics, we have a rather nice pair of cherry Motive 1's as a second hand pair, if you are looking to purchase used speakers?
CnoEvil said:davedotco said:i know that, in common with a number of other speaker manufacturers, PMC describe their speakers as easy to drive.
If by that you mean that they will go reasonably loud without obvious distortion, then you are right.
Personally I think the best points of PMC speakers are there dynamic capabilities and lack of compression, only really observable with amplifiers with a decent output capability.
They recomment Bryston or their own (very inexpensive) 200 watt monoblocks for a reason.
Most half decent speakers would be greatly improved with the addition of some 200 W Bryston Monos, but if it was a condition of sale, they wouldn't sell many pairs.
I agree though, that most people never get to hear just how good their speakers are capable of sounding.
davedotco said:CnoEvil said:davedotco said:i know that, in common with a number of other speaker manufacturers, PMC describe their speakers as easy to drive.
If by that you mean that they will go reasonably loud without obvious distortion, then you are right.
Personally I think the best points of PMC speakers are there dynamic capabilities and lack of compression, only really observable with amplifiers with a decent output capability.
They recomment Bryston or their own (very inexpensive) 200 watt monoblocks for a reason.
Most half decent speakers would be greatly improved with the addition of some 200 W Bryston Monos, but if it was a condition of sale, they wouldn't sell many pairs.
I agree though, that most people never get to hear just how good their speakers are capable of sounding.
The monoblock power amps I was refering to are PMC's own model. These are Hypex based Class D designs and on the couple of occasions I have heard them sound effortless and transparent, if you choose to 'voice' your system to your taste it needs to be done elsewhere.
These amplifiers are built into a bling free case and cost under £1300 a pair, given that many modern systems do not need a full function integrated amplifier they are something of a steal for anyone considering PMC, Spendor or Harbeth type speakers.
davedotco said:To be honest PP I was thinking of computer and streaming based solutions where all the functionality is provided elsewhere.
Similarly a Sonos Connect just needs added power as do many of the 'new' dac/preamps and 'all in one' solutions (Unitiqute for example) that are becoming so common, if you are using several souces in the 'conventional' manner, then no, not a great solution.
There are few amplifiers at anywhere near this price that offer the sort of power available from the PMCs, if your speakers respond well to the extra headroom then I suggest they are very good value indeed.
plastic penguin said:davedotco said:To be honest PP I was thinking of computer and streaming based solutions where all the functionality is provided elsewhere.
Similarly a Sonos Connect just needs added power as do many of the 'new' dac/preamps and 'all in one' solutions (Unitiqute for example) that are becoming so common, if you are using several souces in the 'conventional' manner, then no, not a great solution.
There are few amplifiers at anywhere near this price that offer the sort of power available from the PMCs, if your speakers respond well to the extra headroom then I suggest they are very good value indeed.
Understandable, but I'm trying to fathom where these little boxes come within the grand scheme of things: Would they be an alternative to actives? if so then PMC already have a range of active speakers. They look like a very niche product.
davedotco said:The monoblock power amps I was refering to are PMC's own model. These are Hypex based Class D designs and on the couple of occasions I have heard them sound effortless and transparent, if you choose to 'voice' your system to your taste it needs to be done elsewhere.
These amplifiers are built into a bling free case and cost under £1300 a pair, given that many modern systems do not need a full function integrated amplifier they are something of a steal for anyone considering PMC, Spendor or Harbeth type speakers.
plastic penguin said:I know they aren't active speakers and I do 'get' the "Hide 'n' Play" concept but I'm trying to guess who would go "Mmm, must have those boxes", as opposed to going, let's say, to AVI actives which negates the need for an external preamp, assuming you're just streaming or going the digital route.
Nearly £1300 for the two and add a M-Dac and speakers and you're starting to talk serious money. Have to say I'm sure you're right they do sound good but for the most part - me included - outright sonic prowess, to a lesser extent, is irrelevent. I suppose, yet again, and like all set-ups, it's a compromise.
CnoEvil said:davedotco said:The monoblock power amps I was refering to are PMC's own model. These are Hypex based Class D designs and on the couple of occasions I have heard them sound effortless and transparent, if you choose to 'voice' your system to your taste it needs to be done elsewhere.
These amplifiers are built into a bling free case and cost under £1300 a pair, given that many modern systems do not need a full function integrated amplifier they are something of a steal for anyone considering PMC, Spendor or Harbeth type speakers.
Apologies.
I'm only half awake at that hour in the morning.
mini66 said:I spoke to PMC and yes its 100w min on the 24's but they said it could go lower but be careful of distortion..doesn't help really
Electro said:mini66 said:I spoke to PMC and yes its 100w min on the 24's but they said it could go lower but be careful of distortion..doesn't help really
This really surprises me for a 8 ohm 90 db speaker :?
mini66 said:Electro said:mini66 said:I spoke to PMC and yes its 100w min on the 24's but they said it could go lower but be careful of distortion..doesn't help really
This really surprises me for a 8 ohm 90 db speaker :?
It surprises me too as PMC speakers are recommended with Naim amps and a lot are 80w..I think if its got a high current it should be all right. When I said to PMC that my amp is 80w he said that should be fine *confused* but the tech guy at PMC said fine so it should be fine