Simple is the key . . . ?

[alchemist 1]

I like the idea of vinyl but, for me, the experience has been surpassed in sound quality terms by what can be achieved with digital sources.

My RP3 is currently boxed up and I'm not missing it one bit. I don't feel like I'm missing out on sound quality and I certainly don't miss the pops, crackles, dust accumulation, and constant desire to tweak the set-up. Neither do I miss the getting up every few songs to change the record or the end of side distortion that, on many LPs, renders the last song less than satisfying. I've consistently found this having owned several turntables including Michell TecnoDec, the RP3, Thorens TD150MkII AB, and Technics SL1210MkII.

My vinyl days are over once and for all, the final nail in the coffin being the astronomical price of most new LP releases.

I have no problem with anybody who continues to pursue the best of what vinyl can offer but I do have some issue with the rose tinted spectacles view that has a tendency to look on digital as a poor cousin.

Which of your turntables did you enjoy most ?

 

[matthewpiano]

I like the idea of vinyl but, for me, the experience has been surpassed in sound quality terms by what can be achieved with digital sources.

My RP3 is currently boxed up and I'm not missing it one bit. I don't feel like I'm missing out on sound quality and I certainly don't miss the pops, crackles, dust accumulation, and constant desire to tweak the set-up. Neither do I miss the getting up every few songs to change the record or the end of side distortion that, on many LPs, renders the last song less than satisfying. I've consistently found this having owned several turntables including Michell TecnoDec, the RP3, Thorens TD150MkII AB, and Technics SL1210MkII.

My vinyl days are over once and for all, the final nail in the coffin being the astronomical price of most new LP releases.

I have no problem with anybody who continues to pursue the best of what vinyl can offer but I do have some issue with the rose tinted spectacles view that has a tendency to look on digital as a poor cousin.

Which of your turntables did you enjoy most ?

The Thorens TD150MKII by a long shot.

 

[MajorFubar]

MajourFubar, when I read threads and posts about this or that wireless system, the underlying feeling conveyed to me by the poster is often of 'unease, not happy'???

I think what you're sensing is that while digital AV itself is not new anymore, the methods we're now using to receive and transmit it, especially web-based streaming services, are very embryonic. Even the people with the most knowledge about it are constantly having to update and refresh what they know because the boundaries are constantly being pushed, a bit like when colour TV and stereo vinyl were in their infancy. Sometimes there's a bit of faffing-about to get everything talking together, and that can be a bit daunting for those who feel they aren't 'IT literate'. But then again, sometimes "it just works": I downloaded the Spotify Remoteless app for my iPhone and Mac and I was astounded that it did exactly what it says on the tin with barely any setting-up at all. Remarkable.

Remember also that what you know about turntables, cartridges and tweaking was once utter wizardry to those who came before you. So it's all relative.

 

[CJSF]

MajourFubar, when I read threads and posts about this or that wireless system, the underlying feeling conveyed to me by the poster is often of 'unease, not happy'???

I think what you're sensing is that while digital AV itself is not new anymore, the methods we're now using to receive and transmit it, especially web-based streaming services, are very embryonic. Even the people with the most knowledge about it are constantly having to update and refresh what they know because the boundaries are constantly being pushed, a bit like when colour TV and stereo vinyl were in their infancy. Sometimes there's a bit of faffing-about to get everything talking together, and that can be a bit daunting for those who feel they aren't 'IT literate'. But then again, sometimes "it just works": I downloaded the Spotify Remoteless app for my iPhone and Mac and I was astounded that it did exactly what it says on the tin with barely any setting-up at all. Remarkable.

Remember also that what you know about turntables, cartridges and tweaking was once utter wizardry to those who came before you. So it's all relative.

Thank you for that MajourFubar, makes sence, that last point realy puts thing into perspective. Relevent to those who have not had the experiance of the wonders of a turntable . . .

CJSF

 

[BenLaw]

You see 'Sir Chebby', if you take a statement out of context:

"I dont Chebby, what I do know is the pleasures it gives me and that analogue sound unique to vinyl . . . the appreciation of which seems to being lost by people these days?"

Nope.

This was the one I was quoting from...

So 'Fr0g', you are happy to exchange 'sound quality' for couch potato status ? . . . I do some times as well, although I look at it as a convenience. Serious music listening has to be vinyl, the full comitment and pleasure that goes with it.

I can see it above in post #1 of this page.

Fair enough, even more out of context? " . . . I do some times as well, although I look at it as a convenience . . . ". Read the starting post again Chebby, as suggested in my previous post. You really should get contexts right Chebby, I have noticed it before on replies of yours, a jerno., habit, but then I never believe what I read that journalists have to say ?

CJSF

CJSF, I think you need to re-read the exchanges that lead up to your post that Chebby quoted. For no reason, you accused fr0g of sacrificing quality for convenience, when you have no basis whatsoever for making that accusation. What he does has no impact on how you enjoy your music.

You also seem to be suggesting many / maybe all people are sacrificing quality by using digital. Technically, digital is far superior to vinyl, far less distortion. I also read threads of people struggling with their turntables. I'd suggest you read more such difficulties about digital because (i) more people are using digital than vinyl, (ii) many people using vinyl have been doing so for decades and therefore can cope for themselves, (iii) many of the people setting up streaming solutions are moving into a new area for the first time and are assisted by some advice.

Fwiw I am delighted by my Sonos streaming solution, I found it extremely easy to set up and I do not feel I am sacrificing quality at all.

None of the above is in any way meant to disagree with your personal choice of using vinyl and your personal opinion that it is the best medium for you.

Cheers,

Ben

 

[MajorFubar]

Thank you for that MajourFubar, makes sence, that last point realy puts thing into perspective. Relevent to those who have not had the experiance of the wonders of a turntable . . .

My pleasure, CJSF.

 

[CJSF]

How on earth can a 'simple' post have the potential to turn into a slanging match . . . I dont want it . . . please, lets all agree to disagree?

I'm off to amuse myself with my airplanes, cameras and fishing rods, watch the vegetables grow in my garden, and listen to my music, privately!

CJSF . . . 8)

 

[fatman]

Jeepers, that was all quite a read.

CJSF - try turning the computer off for a week. I try and do it every few months and after a couple of days it is really liberating.

Simple is indeed the key. Enjoy Hazel and the music.

 

[CJSF]

Jeepers, that was all quite a read.

CJSF - try turning the computer off for a week. I try and do it every few months and after a couple of days it is really liberating.

Simple is indeed the key. Enjoy Hazel and the music.

Thanks Fatman, I will try that, I have a few more things to do these days, what with the better weather and Hazel being less dependent on me now. So time away from the computer will be good, broaden my horizons.

Seeing life in an uncomplicated fashion, I get pleasure out of all the simple things in my life, my fishing methods are the most uncomplicated I could devise, I catch fish, bought 4 sea bass home for the pot yesterday, I use the simplest of camera equipment, and my model flying is with equally simple designs, even my gardening, plant the seed, it has two chances, its great eating ones own home grown produce, how simple is that?

I get pleasure from this simple view of life . . . modern peoples seem to 'thrive' . . . on what I see as unnecessarily complex. Thrive . . . ?, the term 'headless chicken' comes to mind. Thats what seems to upsets the apple cart, I say it as it is 'to me'.

Ho-hum, I will let the world pass by and enjoy my simply presented music . . . CJSF

 

[tino]

I get pleasure from this simple view of life . . . modern peoples seem to 'thrive' . . . on what I see as unnecessarily complex. Thrive . . . ?, the term 'headless chicken' comes to mind. Thats what seems to upsets the apple cart, I say it as it is 'to me'.

Ho-hum, I will let the world pass by and enjoy my simply presented music . . . CJSF

Please don't misunderstand .. we all like life's simple pleasures. But to me (and quite a lot of other people) - simple can mean using modern technology to it's best effect. Just because you may not understand it does not mean it is not simple. To me the antithesis of simple is something like a turntable. Yes it's a box with a motor and a mechanical arm and a needle that vibrates a coil or a magnet. All very easy to understand and get your head around. But to use one is such a P.I.T.A a lot of people can well do without and therefore prefer the simplicity of an network/streaming solution. Just plug and play.

By the way .. congrats on the fish!