Did everyone see the article about Russ Andrews in the WHF News section? The ASA has ruled that Russ Andrews is not misleading customers.
Mains products do make a difference!
Mains products do make a difference!
Russ Andrews
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The_Lhc
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wilro15 said:
And this is exactly the problem with that ruling, it accepts that the products do reduce RFI in the cable but at no point is there any attempt to prove (or otherwise) that it actually makes an audible difference!
Broner
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mikefarrow said:
Ahh, if you mean to ask whether I disagree with the idea that mains work, then the answer is no. I find them very useful.
Broner said:
i'm talking about to the various filters and mains cables he sells.
please tell which ones out of his extensive range dont/cant possibly work and why ?
mikefarrow said:
That is similar to the question "which products sold by a homeopathic medicine company don't work?". Answer, all of them.
Broner
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mikefarrow said:
WIth respect to the mains I have already told you that I find them very useful. Air is such a terrible conductor, so it makes perfect sense to me that mains are used. I haven't said anything about whether filters don't work, but I was in fact questioning the logic of the OP who jumped to the conclusion that 'mains do make a difference'. The outcome of the ASA investigation simply does not warrant that conclusion unless he simply means to say that mains are in fact useful (as opposed to not using mains), which I think we can agree on, is a somewhat silly thing to state (and you don't really need an ASA-ruling to know that).
Do you see that you are asking me some very strange questions here? I might as well ask you why you dislike artichokes.
Mike, the challenge is to know what you mean by 'work'. I have no doubt (and it seems the ASA's test lab agree) that the cable under test did reduce RF, the question is whether this was in any way audible - which I guess is the whole point of the thing. The ASA adjudication (linked to in the WHF article) includes the following statement:
"However, we understood from Russ Andrews Accessories that these test results were not necessarily indicative of perceptible noise reduction in consumer relevant conditions and noted the results did not indicate a difference in perceptible RF (radio frequency) interference (in Common or Differential Mode) when using the standard leads against which the Superkord and Powerkord products were being compared."
This doesn't seem to be a wholesale endorsment of the product.
"However, we understood from Russ Andrews Accessories that these test results were not necessarily indicative of perceptible noise reduction in consumer relevant conditions and noted the results did not indicate a difference in perceptible RF (radio frequency) interference (in Common or Differential Mode) when using the standard leads against which the Superkord and Powerkord products were being compared."
This doesn't seem to be a wholesale endorsment of the product.
andyjm said:
exactly. so the ruling basically means: it is OK to claim the cable reduces rfi if it does in fact reduce it, while it does not matter if it is audible or not as long as you do not claim it is audible. if oyu claim it is audible, we will ask you to prove it. RA takes note of that (although they knew it before) and carries on.
Who cares...
I'm off to compress my entire music collection. As it turns out, the ASA has ruled that hi-res audio is imperceptible to CD.. Gosh, those clever chaps at the ASA know everything....
http://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudications/2014/3/Sony-Europe-Ltd/SHP_ADJ_244516.aspx
I'm off to compress my entire music collection. As it turns out, the ASA has ruled that hi-res audio is imperceptible to CD.. Gosh, those clever chaps at the ASA know everything....
http://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudications/2014/3/Sony-Europe-Ltd/SHP_ADJ_244516.aspx
Native_bon
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How much more gullible do people have to be. The prove is in the pudding. The piont of selling these cables is to improve sound quality.. The test carried out was for RFI not for sound quality or the effect it has on the sound.. This I think is simple to understand & very misleading.
DrBeats said:
That is kind of what I do. I have a choice of downloading Society of Sound music in hi-rez or 16/44 ALAC (with no cost difference). I chose 16/44 ALAC because it is as good as the hi-rez and takes less space.
Errr, I think the reason they focused their testing on RFI noise is because the complainant challenged the advertisement on the noise reduction claims? So perhaps you need to raise another challenge on another manufacturer's ad that claims sound quality mprovements?
As I said in the other thread, when people say they can hear differences, you say that's impossible because it can't be measured. But now when they are able to measure a reduction in RFI noise, you say that doesn't prove anything because the difference can't be heard.
How convenient.
As I said in the other thread, when people say they can hear differences, you say that's impossible because it can't be measured. But now when they are able to measure a reduction in RFI noise, you say that doesn't prove anything because the difference can't be heard.
How convenient.
Native_bon
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Trading standard states if a product is not fit for purpose or doing what it is suppose to do then the customer should request for full refund for the service or product bought. Funny enough Russ andrew does just that. Having said that its very easy to be told an item takes 60days to settle down & get the full performance.. Really?... I have tried many cables even in a recording studio setting & was of no use. The only product that seem to do what it said on the tin was the spike prevention products.. This is my opinion as usual.
hi hifikrazy dont you want to run that by trevor c first haha,now i know i wasnt wrong about what i hearing,i dont think this could of come at better time:dance: .david
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Tarxman said:I have a noise analyser at work, the short answer is buzzing.
So if you don't hear buzzing through the hifi you don't need Russ leads.
it sounds like bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzbbbbbbbbbbbbbbzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz .i thought you knew that,see you learn something every day.lol david
Tarxman said:I have a noise analyser at work, the short answer is buzzing.
So you bought the noise analyser to hear the buzz , very strange ???
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