hifikrazy said:
I agree. At the same time you cannot also prove that it was at work.
sometimes though, one can. Say HDMI cables for example, it's possible to prove they are not making any difference, it's a lot easier to do it in the digital realm.
Just for sake of discussion, lets take the fabled Brilliant Pebbles - http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina31.htm
Do you think they work? These people do http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina19.htm
And who are we to say that they are not hearing any difference? Just in the same way that people on here say they hear or see differences, when technically there should be none. That's why some people will say Placebo or expectation bias. It's been proven in the coke/pepsi tests that peoples actual brain go through a change when they blind test to actually seeing the can.
This is usually where the arguments occur though. People may post technical info to be met with "but I hear the difference". Yes, I have no doubt they are hearing something different personally, but it may not actually be a real world change of the (insert whatever device/cable you want here). I think the problems them stem from the fact that in some cases people are going to get defensive if somebody has just proven to them on a technical level that the couple of hundred quid they just dropped on something doesn't make any real world difference. It still doesn't mean that they are not hearing it though, and that's sometimes where the tehcnical people fall down and have problems accepting that somebody is hearing something different. It's human nature to get defensive in situations like that, and equally so, get angry, as you say, they feel as though they are being treat as dumb and naive, on both sides/ This I blame on the internet and forums as it's hard to put across certain things in blocks of text. Where somebody may be just trying to say, hey it's ok, no worries, it may not come off like that. And on the other side of the coin, some people just want others to take stock, not be drawn in to marketing hype and lies and then running with it. I mean how far do you think a thread on the Brilliant pebbles would get, but using your logic, how can anybody say they are wrong?
I don't think there's any particular solution to the issue, it's the way the internet has been, even before the www came about people were doing exactly this on newsgroups.
hifikrazy said:
I just think it's rude when somebody sincerely tries to share something and that gets thrown at them. Seriously, it's not far from outright calling them dumb and naive.
I will admit that I've been rude and impolite myself lately and I regret it, but it's just from my frustration of seeing people come in here with an innocent request for cable suggestions, and then seeing the thread escalate into 400+ argument posts, almost all of which doesn't address the OP's original request for suggestions. Seriously, it's just turning a lot of people off.
But again, that's the inherited nature of the free speech the internet affords us all. Why can't somebody say "well actually, those cables technically make no difference"? Why do they have be lists of recommendations? We all get frustrated at times, it's just life and I personally get frustrated when people put the equipment before the music, but I also understand why they do. So long as we can debate and constantly challenge our own ideas then it's no bad thing imho. :cheers:
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