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Cheers bretty, apart from the TT its all pre owed and bought over some years.
The VPI come direct from the states, took about 14 weeks, was supposed to be 8 but got stuck in customs for some reason.
Worth the wait and paid a favourable price for it, it wasn't RRP put it that way.
The VPI come direct from the states, took about 14 weeks, was supposed to be 8 but got stuck in customs for some reason.
Worth the wait and paid a favourable price for it, it wasn't RRP put it that way.
shooter69:Cheers bretty, apart from the TT its all pre owed and bought over some years. The VPI come direct from the states, took about 14 weeks, was supposed to be 8 but got stuck in customs for some reason. Worth the wait and paid a favourable price for it, it wasn't RRP put it that way.
All my hi fi gear is pre-owned. It's a great way to get high end performance for mid level money, as we both know! Your kit's worth more than mine, but mine was just under £6000 to buy new, I paid £1290, inc the new TT.
My biggest bargain was my speakers. They are pretty rare, but the couple of times I have seen them come up on E bay they've fetched around £1400. I paid £140.
What's your biggest bargain?
All my hi fi gear is pre-owned. It's a great way to get high end performance for mid level money, as we both know! Your kit's worth more than mine, but mine was just under £6000 to buy new, I paid £1290, inc the new TT.
My biggest bargain was my speakers. They are pretty rare, but the couple of times I have seen them come up on E bay they've fetched around £1400. I paid £140.
What's your biggest bargain?
bretty:
shooter69:Cheers bretty, apart from the TT its all pre owed and bought over some years. The VPI come direct from the states, took about 14 weeks, was supposed to be 8 but got stuck in customs for some reason. Worth the wait and paid a favourable price for it, it wasn't RRP put it that way.
All my hi fi gear is pre-owned. It's a great way to get high end performance for mid level money, as we both know! Your kit's worth more than mine, but mine was just under £6000 to buy new, I paid £1290, inc the new TT.
Thats a good price and i absolutely agree with you, i took a giant leap a few years ago with the hi-fi. I was changing budget kit but not really getting anywhere SQ wise so maxed out a credit card on the amp for £1700 and went from there. I've been very happy since with the TT being the last in the chain and coming earlier this year. I have no plans to change anything at the moment but if a nice pair of floorstanders come on the market for a silly price i might have to get those credit cards out, but they haven't come yet.
shooter69:Cheers bretty, apart from the TT its all pre owed and bought over some years. The VPI come direct from the states, took about 14 weeks, was supposed to be 8 but got stuck in customs for some reason. Worth the wait and paid a favourable price for it, it wasn't RRP put it that way.
All my hi fi gear is pre-owned. It's a great way to get high end performance for mid level money, as we both know! Your kit's worth more than mine, but mine was just under £6000 to buy new, I paid £1290, inc the new TT.
Thats a good price and i absolutely agree with you, i took a giant leap a few years ago with the hi-fi. I was changing budget kit but not really getting anywhere SQ wise so maxed out a credit card on the amp for £1700 and went from there. I've been very happy since with the TT being the last in the chain and coming earlier this year. I have no plans to change anything at the moment but if a nice pair of floorstanders come on the market for a silly price i might have to get those credit cards out, but they haven't come yet.
bretty:
What's your biggest bargain?
Has to be the amp, at the time it was the current model. I got off e-bay and to say the seller was pleased with sale is an understatement. He dropped it to me because he didn't want to send it by post which was nice and he was gutted he couldn't believe i was the only bidder. He definitely expected more and I did feel for him, a bit.
What's your biggest bargain?
Has to be the amp, at the time it was the current model. I got off e-bay and to say the seller was pleased with sale is an understatement. He dropped it to me because he didn't want to send it by post which was nice and he was gutted he couldn't believe i was the only bidder. He definitely expected more and I did feel for him, a bit.
shooter69:bretty:
shooter69:Cheers bretty, apart from the TT its all pre owed and bought over some years. The VPI come direct from the states, took about 14 weeks, was supposed to be 8 but got stuck in customs for some reason. Worth the wait and paid a favourable price for it, it wasn't RRP put it that way.
All my hi fi gear is pre-owned. It's a great way to get high end performance for mid level money, as we both know! Your kit's worth more than mine, but mine was just under £6000 to buy new, I paid £1290, inc the new TT.
Thats a good price and i absolutely agree with you, i took a giant leap a few years ago with the hi-fi. I was changing budget kit but not really getting anywhere SQ wise so maxed out a credit card on the amp for £1700 and went from there. I've been very happy since with the TT being the last in the chain and coming earlier this year. I have no plans to change anything at the moment but if a nice pair of floorstanders come on the market for a silly price i might have to get those credit cards out, but they haven't come yet.
I will get the new TT early next year, and then that's me done. I'm completely happy with my CDP, amp and speakers and don't plan on changing them. I don't suffer from upgradeitus, because there's no area of the system that isn't perfect, to my ears. Obviously, the TT, isn't perfect, but what this budget player has shown me it can do, over the last week, has really whet my appetite for hearing what £1500 worth of deck can do.
shooter69:Cheers bretty, apart from the TT its all pre owed and bought over some years. The VPI come direct from the states, took about 14 weeks, was supposed to be 8 but got stuck in customs for some reason. Worth the wait and paid a favourable price for it, it wasn't RRP put it that way.
All my hi fi gear is pre-owned. It's a great way to get high end performance for mid level money, as we both know! Your kit's worth more than mine, but mine was just under £6000 to buy new, I paid £1290, inc the new TT.
Thats a good price and i absolutely agree with you, i took a giant leap a few years ago with the hi-fi. I was changing budget kit but not really getting anywhere SQ wise so maxed out a credit card on the amp for £1700 and went from there. I've been very happy since with the TT being the last in the chain and coming earlier this year. I have no plans to change anything at the moment but if a nice pair of floorstanders come on the market for a silly price i might have to get those credit cards out, but they haven't come yet.
I will get the new TT early next year, and then that's me done. I'm completely happy with my CDP, amp and speakers and don't plan on changing them. I don't suffer from upgradeitus, because there's no area of the system that isn't perfect, to my ears. Obviously, the TT, isn't perfect, but what this budget player has shown me it can do, over the last week, has really whet my appetite for hearing what £1500 worth of deck can do.
I think you'll be blown away by a £1500 deck compared to the RPM4.
If your definitely going down that route and your changing the cart, could be worth getting one that will compliment your new deck. I know its a bit preemptive but it will save money in the long run.
If your definitely going down that route and your changing the cart, could be worth getting one that will compliment your new deck. I know its a bit preemptive but it will save money in the long run.
bretty:shooter69:bretty:
shooter69:Cheers bretty, apart from the TT its all pre owed and bought over some years. The VPI come direct from the states, took about 14 weeks, was supposed to be 8 but got stuck in customs for some reason. Worth the wait and paid a favourable price for it, it wasn't RRP put it that way.
All my hi fi gear is pre-owned. It's a great way to get high end performance for mid level money, as we both know! Your kit's worth more than mine, but mine was just under £6000 to buy new, I paid £1290, inc the new TT.
Thats a good price and i absolutely agree with you, i took a giant leap a few years ago with the hi-fi. I was changing budget kit but not really getting anywhere SQ wise so maxed out a credit card on the amp for £1700 and went from there. I've been very happy since with the TT being the last in the chain and coming earlier this year. I have no plans to change anything at the moment but if a nice pair of floorstanders come on the market for a silly price i might have to get those credit cards out, but they haven't come yet.
I will get the new TT early next year, and then that's me done. I'm completely happy with my CDP, amp and speakers and don't plan on changing them. I don't suffer from upgradeitus, because there's no area of the system that isn't perfect, to my ears. Obviously, the TT, isn't perfect, but what this budget player has shown me it can do, over the last week, has really whet my appetite for hearing what £1500 worth of deck can do.
New you would not be able to resist - once hooked...............................
shooter69:Cheers bretty, apart from the TT its all pre owed and bought over some years. The VPI come direct from the states, took about 14 weeks, was supposed to be 8 but got stuck in customs for some reason. Worth the wait and paid a favourable price for it, it wasn't RRP put it that way.
All my hi fi gear is pre-owned. It's a great way to get high end performance for mid level money, as we both know! Your kit's worth more than mine, but mine was just under £6000 to buy new, I paid £1290, inc the new TT.
Thats a good price and i absolutely agree with you, i took a giant leap a few years ago with the hi-fi. I was changing budget kit but not really getting anywhere SQ wise so maxed out a credit card on the amp for £1700 and went from there. I've been very happy since with the TT being the last in the chain and coming earlier this year. I have no plans to change anything at the moment but if a nice pair of floorstanders come on the market for a silly price i might have to get those credit cards out, but they haven't come yet.
I will get the new TT early next year, and then that's me done. I'm completely happy with my CDP, amp and speakers and don't plan on changing them. I don't suffer from upgradeitus, because there's no area of the system that isn't perfect, to my ears. Obviously, the TT, isn't perfect, but what this budget player has shown me it can do, over the last week, has really whet my appetite for hearing what £1500 worth of deck can do.
New you would not be able to resist - once hooked...............................
shooter69:Cheers bretty, apart from the TT its all pre owed and bought over some years.
The VPI come direct from the states, took about 14 weeks, was supposed to be 8 but got stuck in customs for some reason.
Worth the wait and paid a favourable price for it, it wasn't RRP put it that way.
Beautiful deck so definately worth the wait!
The VPI come direct from the states, took about 14 weeks, was supposed to be 8 but got stuck in customs for some reason.
Worth the wait and paid a favourable price for it, it wasn't RRP put it that way.
Beautiful deck so definately worth the wait!
mitch65:bretty:shooter69:bretty:
shooter69:Cheers bretty, apart from the TT its all pre owed and bought over some years. The VPI come direct from the states, took about 14 weeks, was supposed to be 8 but got stuck in customs for some reason. Worth the wait and paid a favourable price for it, it wasn't RRP put it that way.
All my hi fi gear is pre-owned. It's a great way to get high end performance for mid level money, as we both know! Your kit's worth more than mine, but mine was just under £6000 to buy new, I paid £1290, inc the new TT.
Thats a good price and i absolutely agree with you, i took a giant leap a few years ago with the hi-fi. I was changing budget kit but not really getting anywhere SQ wise so maxed out a credit card on the amp for £1700 and went from there. I've been very happy since with the TT being the last in the chain and coming earlier this year. I have no plans to change anything at the moment but if a nice pair of floorstanders come on the market for a silly price i might have to get those credit cards out, but they haven't come yet.
I will get the new TT early next year, and then that's me done. I'm completely happy with my CDP, amp and speakers and don't plan on changing them. I don't suffer from upgradeitus, because there's no area of the system that isn't perfect, to my ears. Obviously, the TT, isn't perfect, but what this budget player has shown me it can do, over the last week, has really whet my appetite for hearing what £1500 worth of deck can do.
New you would not be able to resist - once hooked...............................
Yep, It's got me.
Hi, my name's Brett and i'm a vinyl-aholic. I haven't listened to a record in 12 hours.
shooter69:Cheers bretty, apart from the TT its all pre owed and bought over some years. The VPI come direct from the states, took about 14 weeks, was supposed to be 8 but got stuck in customs for some reason. Worth the wait and paid a favourable price for it, it wasn't RRP put it that way.
All my hi fi gear is pre-owned. It's a great way to get high end performance for mid level money, as we both know! Your kit's worth more than mine, but mine was just under £6000 to buy new, I paid £1290, inc the new TT.
Thats a good price and i absolutely agree with you, i took a giant leap a few years ago with the hi-fi. I was changing budget kit but not really getting anywhere SQ wise so maxed out a credit card on the amp for £1700 and went from there. I've been very happy since with the TT being the last in the chain and coming earlier this year. I have no plans to change anything at the moment but if a nice pair of floorstanders come on the market for a silly price i might have to get those credit cards out, but they haven't come yet.
I will get the new TT early next year, and then that's me done. I'm completely happy with my CDP, amp and speakers and don't plan on changing them. I don't suffer from upgradeitus, because there's no area of the system that isn't perfect, to my ears. Obviously, the TT, isn't perfect, but what this budget player has shown me it can do, over the last week, has really whet my appetite for hearing what £1500 worth of deck can do.
New you would not be able to resist - once hooked...............................
Yep, It's got me.
Hi, my name's Brett and i'm a vinyl-aholic. I haven't listened to a record in 12 hours.
Yep, It's got me.
Hi, my name's Brett and i'm a vinyl-aholic. I haven't listened to a record in 12 hours.
Brett,
That is only because you've been asleep .
Nick
Annoying the Wife by playing The Birthday Party loud !
Hi, my name's Brett and i'm a vinyl-aholic. I haven't listened to a record in 12 hours.
Brett,
That is only because you've been asleep .
Nick
Annoying the Wife by playing The Birthday Party loud !
bretty:
Yep, It's got me.
Hi, my name's Brett and i'm a vinyl-aholic. I haven't listened to a record in 12 hours.
Hee hee,i love it
.
......... and then one day Bretty bought a pair of 845 mono blocks and ran his TT passively via a tube phono,
and wet his pants
Yep, It's got me.
Hi, my name's Brett and i'm a vinyl-aholic. I haven't listened to a record in 12 hours.
Hee hee,i love it
......... and then one day Bretty bought a pair of 845 mono blocks and ran his TT passively via a tube phono,
and wet his pants
floyd droid:bretty:
Yep, It's got me.
Hi, my name's Brett and i'm a vinyl-aholic. I haven't listened to a record in 12 hours.
Hee hee,i love it
.
......... and then one day Bretty bought a pair of 845 mono blocks and ran his TT passively via a tube phono,
and wet his pants
Yep, It's got me.
Hi, my name's Brett and i'm a vinyl-aholic. I haven't listened to a record in 12 hours.
Hee hee,i love it
......... and then one day Bretty bought a pair of 845 mono blocks and ran his TT passively via a tube phono,
and wet his pants
I meant to just play 'Kind Of Blue' this morning, and then get out and do stuff that needs doing. Nope, been listening since 9 o'clock, only leaving the house to walk the dogs.
Anyone seen my life? I'm sure I had it with me on Friday.
Anyone seen my life? I'm sure I had it with me on Friday.
It didnt take you long to become a fully paid up member of the 'just one more side' gang, did it.
I've just finished a 6hr plus session, tis hotter than pig muck in my lounge at the min.
Good on yer Bretty.
I've just finished a 6hr plus session, tis hotter than pig muck in my lounge at the min.
Good on yer Bretty.
Honest mate the clearaudio's are to laid back for me.....projects a bit thin . The roksans a goodie, but nowt goes near a gyrodec mate ....nothing.
And it's got a version with a lid .
And it's got a version with a lid .
ivoreng:
Honest mate the clearaudio's are to laid back for me.....projects a bit thin . The roksans a goodie, but nowt goes near a gyrodec mate ....nothing.
And it's got a version with a lid .
Is that the modeel that you've got, Ivor? It's a good looking machine, that's for sure. What was the damage on that?
Honest mate the clearaudio's are to laid back for me.....projects a bit thin . The roksans a goodie, but nowt goes near a gyrodec mate ....nothing.
And it's got a version with a lid .
Is that the modeel that you've got, Ivor? It's a good looking machine, that's for sure. What was the damage on that?
Bretty
Slightly more leftfield suggestion - i've just bought a refurbished/upgraded LP12 from a company called Inspire Hi Fi who offer a service where they acquire an old LP12 which is then cleaned up aesthetically (lovely new solid wood plinth etc) and then fully upgraded to a high spec internally. You end up with a turntable that is more new than 2nd hand - it looks and sounds fantastic with a better spec than the Majik Linn offer as their entry level turntable. Mine has a used Akiro arm and new Ortofon 2M blue cartridge (you can add whatever tonearm/cartidge you want) and the total package came in at just over £1,000, so well in the price bracket you are looking at. I heard it in a direct comparison at home with a pro-ject xperience x pack and the difference was light and day to me.
They also offer a brand new turntable for £900 which has been well reviewed in other magazines and the customer service was excellent throughout.
By the way - I don't have any connection with the company, just a very happy customer.
Slightly more leftfield suggestion - i've just bought a refurbished/upgraded LP12 from a company called Inspire Hi Fi who offer a service where they acquire an old LP12 which is then cleaned up aesthetically (lovely new solid wood plinth etc) and then fully upgraded to a high spec internally. You end up with a turntable that is more new than 2nd hand - it looks and sounds fantastic with a better spec than the Majik Linn offer as their entry level turntable. Mine has a used Akiro arm and new Ortofon 2M blue cartridge (you can add whatever tonearm/cartidge you want) and the total package came in at just over £1,000, so well in the price bracket you are looking at. I heard it in a direct comparison at home with a pro-ject xperience x pack and the difference was light and day to me.
They also offer a brand new turntable for £900 which has been well reviewed in other magazines and the customer service was excellent throughout.
By the way - I don't have any connection with the company, just a very happy customer.
ivoreng:
Honest mate the clearaudio's are to laid back for me.....projects a bit thin . The roksans a goodie, but nowt goes near a gyrodec mate ....nothing.
And it's got a version with a lid .
They are lovely decks, was lucky enough to have an Odyssey but had to sell due to lack of finances - absolutely gutted!!
Honest mate the clearaudio's are to laid back for me.....projects a bit thin . The roksans a goodie, but nowt goes near a gyrodec mate ....nothing.
And it's got a version with a lid .
They are lovely decks, was lucky enough to have an Odyssey but had to sell due to lack of finances - absolutely gutted!!
Bretty I've got total respect for the LP12 but I swapped mine for my gyrodec....same as the one pictured apart from the arm. And I never regretted it. LP12's suspension etc need constant attention to get the best ot of them and they sound different from any other deck. Better at a few things.worse at more !
Also if you buy a Sondek ( LP12) the upgrade to the top model will cost you about £13,000 , yep thirteen grand ! and it still does a lot of things worse than the gyro IMO .
They will stop making it very soon methinks......record players are to expensive to make and I don't think Linn are going in that direction ..ya heard it here first !
Lots of decks do some things great and some things not so good.....the gyrodec does everything well above average and does a lot , especially soundstaging better than ANY other deck. Up to now i've never heard any argument with that. It's the only deck that if your speakers are 8 feet apart can make music come from 12 feet apart !!
Now the good bit....................You WILL find a gyrodec, and arm for less than £1200 used and pristine. It will probably have a rega RB300 arm on it for that price. And it makes an allready good RB300 sound Ace !! Your project arm would go straight onto it AFTER , you have ordered the correct arm board from Michel . and thats no prob.you just ring em...And their English !
A gyrodec SE ( spider edition } has no lid . A gyrodec.has and contrary to what some people say I find it sounds better with a lid down when playing.
There are upgrades bretty but only upto an orbe standard , and thats only another grand or so, and I never felt the need to.
Also if you buy a Sondek ( LP12) the upgrade to the top model will cost you about £13,000 , yep thirteen grand ! and it still does a lot of things worse than the gyro IMO .
They will stop making it very soon methinks......record players are to expensive to make and I don't think Linn are going in that direction ..ya heard it here first !
Lots of decks do some things great and some things not so good.....the gyrodec does everything well above average and does a lot , especially soundstaging better than ANY other deck. Up to now i've never heard any argument with that. It's the only deck that if your speakers are 8 feet apart can make music come from 12 feet apart !!
Now the good bit....................You WILL find a gyrodec, and arm for less than £1200 used and pristine. It will probably have a rega RB300 arm on it for that price. And it makes an allready good RB300 sound Ace !! Your project arm would go straight onto it AFTER , you have ordered the correct arm board from Michel . and thats no prob.you just ring em...And their English !
A gyrodec SE ( spider edition } has no lid . A gyrodec.has and contrary to what some people say I find it sounds better with a lid down when playing.
There are upgrades bretty but only upto an orbe standard , and thats only another grand or so, and I never felt the need to.
On the subject of the LP12, i've never heard anything but good things about them, but I just can't get on with the looks of them.
You've made my mind up, Ivor. I'm gonna go for the Gyrodeck. It's a beautiful bit of kit. I may have misunderstood what you wrote, but, are you saying that the arm on my RPM-4 is better than the Rega RB300 that may come on the Gyro? If that's the case, and my arm is good enough for the Gyro (at least just to get started), then I can get a NEW gyrodeck for £1267 from Stone Audio, without arm, which is cheap enough to mean I can get it before christmas.
You've made my mind up, Ivor. I'm gonna go for the Gyrodeck. It's a beautiful bit of kit. I may have misunderstood what you wrote, but, are you saying that the arm on my RPM-4 is better than the Rega RB300 that may come on the Gyro? If that's the case, and my arm is good enough for the Gyro (at least just to get started), then I can get a NEW gyrodeck for £1267 from Stone Audio, without arm, which is cheap enough to mean I can get it before christmas.
If the arm off the RPM4 fits use it for a while. The Gyro is a good deck and will keep you a happy vinyl listener for many a year.
Origin live do RB arms which are fully tweaked up, worth checking out as they have refurbs at cheaper prices. Check em out.
Origin live do RB arms which are fully tweaked up, worth checking out as they have refurbs at cheaper prices. Check em out.
shooter69:If the arm off the RPM4 fits use it for a while. The Gyro is a good deck and will keep you a happy vinyl listener for many a year. Origin live do RB arms which are fully tweaked up, worth checking out as they have refurbs at cheaper prices. Check em out.
Thanks, Shooter.
The 'Silver' tonearm looks interesting.
Thanks, Shooter.
The 'Silver' tonearm looks interesting.
bretty:
On the subject of the LP12, i've never hear anything but good things about them, but I just can't get on with the looks of it.
You've made my mind up, Ivor. I'm gonna go for the Gyrodeck. It's a beautiful bit of kit. I may have misunderstood what you wrote, but, are you saying that the arm on my RPM-4 is better than the Rega RB300 that may come on the Gyro? If that's the case, and my arm is good enough for the Gyro (at least just to get started), then I can get a NEW gyrodeck for £1267 from Stone Audio, without arm, which is cheap enough to mean I can get it before christmas.
Bretty
You're not seriously suggesting the LP12 looks dated are you? Blasphemy!!
The Gyro is a very neutral deck and if you can get a silver arm as well then that should certainly keep you happy for years to come although I would consider a different supplier as my Michell Odyssey took forever through Stone Audio and communication from them was S**T!
On the subject of the LP12, i've never hear anything but good things about them, but I just can't get on with the looks of it.
You've made my mind up, Ivor. I'm gonna go for the Gyrodeck. It's a beautiful bit of kit. I may have misunderstood what you wrote, but, are you saying that the arm on my RPM-4 is better than the Rega RB300 that may come on the Gyro? If that's the case, and my arm is good enough for the Gyro (at least just to get started), then I can get a NEW gyrodeck for £1267 from Stone Audio, without arm, which is cheap enough to mean I can get it before christmas.
Bretty
You're not seriously suggesting the LP12 looks dated are you? Blasphemy!!
The Gyro is a very neutral deck and if you can get a silver arm as well then that should certainly keep you happy for years to come although I would consider a different supplier as my Michell Odyssey took forever through Stone Audio and communication from them was S**T!
mitch65:bretty:
On the subject of the LP12, i've never hear anything but good things about them, but I just can't get on with the looks of it.
You've made my mind up, Ivor. I'm gonna go for the Gyrodeck. It's a beautiful bit of kit. I may have misunderstood what you wrote, but, are you saying that the arm on my RPM-4 is better than the Rega RB300 that may come on the Gyro? If that's the case, and my arm is good enough for the Gyro (at least just to get started), then I can get a NEW gyrodeck for £1267 from Stone Audio, without arm, which is cheap enough to mean I can get it before christmas.
Bretty
You're not seriously suggesting the LP12 looks dated are you? Blasphemy!!
The Gyro is a very neutral deck and if you can get a silver arm as well then that should certainly keep you happy for years to come although I would consider a different supplier as my Michell Odyssey took forever through Stone Audio and communication from them was S**T!
Wash my mouth out!!
Thanks for the tip, i'll give Stone Audio a swerve. Any recommendations for good TT retailers?
On the subject of the LP12, i've never hear anything but good things about them, but I just can't get on with the looks of it.
You've made my mind up, Ivor. I'm gonna go for the Gyrodeck. It's a beautiful bit of kit. I may have misunderstood what you wrote, but, are you saying that the arm on my RPM-4 is better than the Rega RB300 that may come on the Gyro? If that's the case, and my arm is good enough for the Gyro (at least just to get started), then I can get a NEW gyrodeck for £1267 from Stone Audio, without arm, which is cheap enough to mean I can get it before christmas.
Bretty
You're not seriously suggesting the LP12 looks dated are you? Blasphemy!!
The Gyro is a very neutral deck and if you can get a silver arm as well then that should certainly keep you happy for years to come although I would consider a different supplier as my Michell Odyssey took forever through Stone Audio and communication from them was S**T!
Wash my mouth out!!
Thanks for the tip, i'll give Stone Audio a swerve. Any recommendations for good TT retailers?
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