abacus and ipv belive me I am a musician and there is a huge difference , You're hearing isn't sensitive enough .
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ISAC69 said:
Ah, bless. The old your hearing isn't sensitive enough line. Right up there with "night and day" and "your system isn't resolving enough".
What's being a musician got to do with it? Does that give you some magical gift mere mortals don't get at birth?
Out the back of my CD player I have two types if interconnect: a pair of £220 Atlas Navigators, and a Fisual coax. £3.99.
Differences are so minimal, so minimal, it's hardly with talking about. The difference between those and most other called I've had likewise.
You'll get more mileage out of moving your speakers six inches either way and changing their position than you will out of mucking about with nice looking cables in fancy boxes. And I've been through plenty over the years. My hearing is good enough too. Just sayin'...
the record spot said:
Before buying I am making a long demo in my house and I am not just throwing money away and there is a big difference , nice looking cables in fancy boxes isn't my cup of tea !
I noticed that in digital cabels the difference is very minimal indeed as you advised but not on RCA and speaker cables .
Sorry mate, but there's minimal difference. Been through plenty - maybe a dozen over the last few years. A pair of £8 Computergear RCA phonos against the Navigators. Again, minnimal difference. Sorry, but you're talking cods. If you want to spend £00s, that's your lookout. You'll get more mileage out of finding better recording and moving speakers around. Cheaper, more fun, less claptrap.
Fine by me, not my money. From member DF96 on the DIY Audio site, re: TQ cables:-
However, assuming that these cables merely have a silly name rather than a silly substance I had a quick look on their website. No meaningful technical details, apart from a couple of graphs which suggest low capacitance (which might have a minor effect on treble) and woffle about improving bass. Their 'test' involves sending a 1us pulse, which seems a bit unrealistic for an audio speaker cable. The graphs seem to show the normal exponential response of a CR first order filter, but they don't say what R they used. I assume they hope to impress people who don't understand what they are looking at.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/parts/205535-tellurium-cables.html
He is talking about speaker cables, you want an interconnect, but the same principles apply. Whether or not you buy them, I couldn't care less, but as before, I've been through plenty of different cables from different manufacturers from £8-£225. Reckon I'm more comfortable in my views and experience than buying the waffle and a fancy box.
However, assuming that these cables merely have a silly name rather than a silly substance I had a quick look on their website. No meaningful technical details, apart from a couple of graphs which suggest low capacitance (which might have a minor effect on treble) and woffle about improving bass. Their 'test' involves sending a 1us pulse, which seems a bit unrealistic for an audio speaker cable. The graphs seem to show the normal exponential response of a CR first order filter, but they don't say what R they used. I assume they hope to impress people who don't understand what they are looking at.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/parts/205535-tellurium-cables.html
He is talking about speaker cables, you want an interconnect, but the same principles apply. Whether or not you buy them, I couldn't care less, but as before, I've been through plenty of different cables from different manufacturers from £8-£225. Reckon I'm more comfortable in my views and experience than buying the waffle and a fancy box.
the record spot said:
There's a lot of recommendations from magazines and forums on Tellurium cabels . Once I changed my speaker cables to the TQ black
it is almost I changed my whole system the sound stage became huge , more details and bass .
I am not sure that theTQ ULTRA BLACK is better than the Chord Chorus2 because it is a great cabel but I suspect it tends
to have a bright sound I will check it and keep you infrom .
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Covenanter said:
+ another 1
Cables make such a small difference to the sound that it's virtually always impossible to tell them apart in a blind comparrison. All the people who claim to hear a difference only do so in sighted comparisons.
Lots of people can hear the differences between a cheap cable and a luxury cable whether it’s speaker cable, interconnects or mains , it's not all in your head as the hard of hearing among us would have some believe.
Will be auditioning some Tellurium speaker cable as soon as the new speakers are purchased.
Will be auditioning some Tellurium speaker cable as soon as the new speakers are purchased.
Supreme said:
Hi,
I agree, some cables are night and dayin the change in the sound. Years ago I changed from QED 72 strand to kimber 8tc speaker cable and wow what a difference, I could never go back.
Cheers
Steve.
Why hasn't anyone made downloads available of the super duper cables against bottom of the range varieties for us to listen to and compare? Easily done with all computer technology we have around today.
Until someone has the guts to do that I'll stick to choosing my cables on looks i.e. those that look solidly built and thick and have a pretty colour.
Until someone has the guts to do that I'll stick to choosing my cables on looks i.e. those that look solidly built and thick and have a pretty colour.
Supreme said:
there are people that can't hear the differences between a cheap cable and a luxury cable so they jump to a conclusion that it is a waste of money
to buy expensive ones they will never admit that their hearing isn't sensitive enough to notice the differnce between good cabels to cheap ones .
ISAC69 said:
Magnificent.
You tell 'em Isac........
All these cloth eared idiots cluttering up a hi-fi forum.........
ISAC69 said:
Seeing as you and Diana Ross (just kiddin' Supreme...!) pitched in with the usual "hard of hearing" to add to the previous set of cliches uttered, I thought I'd take the time to respond to both of you.
It's nothing to do with the hard of hearing. I can hear the differences that my cables have made. Where did I say my hearing was duff? I use reference recordings (which is to say that I use recordings I know very well having played them over many years. I use a mixture of stuff, vocal, piano, strings and rock. And for what it's worth, I bought into the whole cables thing. Wholesale. Bought them best ones I could buy. Even some Nordost Blue Heaven ones. The Atlas Navigators were bought a couple of years ago.
So, it's nothing to do with the hard of hearing, so please don't insult our intelligence for those of us who happily don't claim to be golden eared. I rely more on good speaker placement over any cable any day of the week. I suggest you try the blind test too, if you can or are able to. I have no doubt you'll come back and say how big the differences were still, as that is the way of these things and usually the people involved. As I said, your money, your choice, but don't please belittle my own experience and whatever knowledge I've built up along the way. You're in an informed position now though, better than just "buy them!!" will ever give you.
the record spot said:
I always was in an informed position plus, my experience is far more valid to me than yours or anyone elses as it's my own experience.
Which is as may be. Seeing as then it's just an insult to start bandying around the usual cliches like "hard of hearing", you'll need to just excuse my intemperance in that case. No offence, but I've heard all that bull for years and it wears thing.
Careful Record Spot.
You are dealing with someones fundamental beliefs here, could get very nasty indeed.
Probably safer questioning their sexual prowess or driving ability....... :twisted:
You are dealing with someones fundamental beliefs here, could get very nasty indeed.
Probably safer questioning their sexual prowess or driving ability....... :twisted:
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Over the years i've come to the conclusion that only turntables, cartridges, speakers and to a smaller extent some amps do and can sound different. When i auditioned some DAC's i really couldn't tell them apart. Believe me i wanted to! Same goes with cables i'm afraid. No matter how much i think there is a difference with these things i have to be honest with myself and admit that i cant hear it.
It may be that my hearing isnt as good as some. I am also a musician and have been for many years but i dont think it gives me an advantage over others regarding my hearing, if anything its probably worse!
It may be that my hearing isnt as good as some. I am also a musician and have been for many years but i dont think it gives me an advantage over others regarding my hearing, if anything its probably worse!
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Supreme said:
An informed position?
Did the differences that you heard between cables happen in a sighted comparison?
the record spot said:
my experience is totaly different -In good cabels bad recordings , bad music sources and bad components in the Hi Fi system
are noticed immediately (and vise versa) . cheap cabels tend to conceal this faulties .
How do you go with the vast amount of anecdotal evidence saying people do hear differences? Are 90% of hifi geeks wrong?
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altruistic.lemon said:
90% ? :rofl:
Most people say that they can hear minimal or no difference between cables. All of the people that do say they can hear differences are the people who compare cables in a sighted tests.
People just don't hear differences between cables in blind comparisons though. :?
What percentage of hifi enthusiasts take these blind tests - 1%? .1%?
I've never done blind tests (except for wine), have you?
I've never done blind tests (except for wine), have you?
Anecdotal evidence? If you accept that, I can introduce you to some people who will convince you that prayer works as does homeopathy.altruistic.lemon said:
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