RE: Chord Chorus2 Vs. Tellurium Ultra Black

[shado]

At ther end of the day it is preference I have chord cobra 2 Interconnects on Cyrus CD/AMP and Silverscreen on SPkrs plus QED Profile fibre optic on NAS Drive (5m) and (1m) fibre optic between CD/Amp and I prefer analogue sound via cobra as it has a wider soundstage. I also enjoy 751BD player connected analogue via cheaper rca leads to the same amp so DVD audio via 192/24 bit is outstanding. Fortunately my amp does not prejudice against 256kbps via my most expensive chord prodac cable from Sonos Zp90 in comparison to the rest of the system. ironically I have spent more on the streaming part which helps to maintain the balance between CD, SACD & DVD Audio/BluRay Soundtracks.

 

[ISAC69]

If there isn't any difference between cables there isn't any difference between speakers , amps , DACs , CDPs act.

so there is no point to waste money at all for upgrading our system since results will be the same ??? :wall:

Really it is ridicouls to say that cabels that are made of better materials , isolation and design are giving the same results as cheap cabels . :rofl:

 

[chebby]

For all the sceptics I can hear ten ( or more as you wish) different cabels on the same system and hear it for 5 minutes every time than on a blind test I will identify which cabel is it on 100 % sucsess ( you can test me on speakers and amps as well ) so don't tell me cabels aren't making any difference just admit that your hearing is not sensitive enough !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzgT-fg01vY

(What he said.)

 

[lpv]

the biggest difference is with the speakers > speakers placement > room acoustics. then amps > source. this is how I understand it now after short hi fi journey. cables are irrelevant. you stated you are musician [ so you should have better understanding of the subject ] but by asking this kind of questions as above you've lost credibility.

it seems no matter how big ones experience is [ or should I say 'no experience'] the others can pick up what's important in no time.

there's still way for 'improvements' for adepts of 'what's important'

there's Atlas Asimi Silver Speaker Cable. 7 meters for £25k waiting for you out there.

I think I should start 'What's Important' magazine any time soon 8)

 

[davedotco]

Even by the usual standards this is a quite hilarious thread.

Isac69 joins thompsonuxb as the most interesting contributers on this forum, always going to be the first names I look for....... :clap:

 

[steve_1979]

...wireworld put an arrow on their RCA cable indicating the signal direction...

It stops the electrons from getting lost if they have arrows to follow. They're not very good at directions so they need sign posts to tell them where to go.

 

[davedotco]

...wireworld put an arrow on their RCA cable indicating the signal direction...

It stops the electrons from getting lost if they have arrows to follow. They're not very good at directions so they need sign posts to tell them where to go.

Once upon a time we employed a part timer to help in the shop. He was pretty full of himself and thought he knew it all.

The first job we gave him was to sort out and 'sex' for direction all of our dem speaker cables, about 8 -10 pairs.

This was before the days of arrows or markings of any kind. He had to do it all by ear.

 

[lpv]

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[BenLaw]

Lots of people can hear the differences between a cheap cable and a luxury cable whether it’s speaker cable, interconnects or mains , it's not all in your head as the hard of hearing among us would have some believe.

Will be auditioning some Tellurium speaker cable as soon as the new speakers are purchased.

there are people that can't hear the differences between a cheap cable and a luxury cable so they jump to a conclusion that it is a waste of money

to buy expensive ones they will never admit that their hearing isn't sensitive enough to notice the differnce between good cabels to cheap ones .

Magnificent.

You tell 'em Isac........

All these cloth eared idiots cluttering up a hi-fi forum.........

:wave: Someone finally noticed me, yay!

 

[BenLaw]

Even by the usual standards this is a quite hilarious thread.

Isac69 joins thompsonuxb as the most interesting contributers on this forum, always going to be the first names I look for....... :clap:

Bingo.

 

[ISAC69]

If there isn't any difference between cables there isn't any difference between speakers , amps , DACs , CDPs act.

so there is no point to waste money at all for upgrading our system since results will be the same ??? :wall:

Really it is ridicouls to say that cabels that are made of better materials , isolation and design are giving the same results as cheap cabels . :rofl:

|(

 

[ISAC69]

the biggest difference is with the speakers > speakers placement > room acoustics. then amps > source. this is how I understand it now after short hi fi journey. cables are irrelevant. you stated you are musician [ so you should have better understanding of the subject ] but by asking this kind of questions as above you've lost credibility.

it seems no matter how big ones experience is [ or should I say 'no experience'] the others can pick up what's important in no time.

there's still way for 'improvements' for adepts of 'what's important'

there's Atlas Asimi Silver Speaker Cable. 7 meters for £25k waiting for you out there.

I think I should start 'What's Important' magazine any time soon 8)

speakers =speakers placement = room acoustics= amps =sources=cabels !

Every component has the same important on the Hi Fi system !

Sorry mate if you think that one is more impportant than the other the wrong conclusion is that is better make the main investment on the speakers

and room acoustics , less on amps , much less on sources (!!!) and on cabels almost nothing ( ! )

Who is loosing credibility now you or me :doh:

 

[hammill]

the biggest difference is with the speakers > speakers placement > room acoustics. then amps > source. this is how I understand it now after short hi fi journey. cables are irrelevant. you stated you are musician [ so you should have better understanding of the subject ] but by asking this kind of questions as above you've lost credibility.

it seems no matter how big ones experience is [ or should I say 'no experience'] the others can pick up what's important in no time.

there's still way for 'improvements' for adepts of 'what's important'

there's Atlas Asimi Silver Speaker Cable. 7 meters for £25k waiting for you out there.

I think I should start 'What's Important' magazine any time soon 8)

speakers =speakers placement = room acoustics= amps =sources=cabels !

Every component has the same important on the Hi Fi system !

Sorry mate if you think that one is more impportant than the other the wrong conclusion is that is better make the main investment on the speakers

and room acoustics , less on amps , much less on sources (!!!) and on cabels almost nothing ( ! )

Who is loosing credibility now you or me :doh:

I don't know about credibility, but you have lost coherence. Your post is almost incomprehensible.

 

[cheeseboy]

speakers =speakers placement = room acoustics= amps =sources=cabels !

Every component has the same important on the Hi Fi system !

Sorry mate if you think that one is more impportant than the other the wrong conclusion is that is better make the main investment on the speakers

and room acoustics , less on amps , much less on sources (!!!) and on cabels almost nothing ( ! )

Who is loosing credibility now you or me :doh:

For what it's worth, after you said..

For all the sceptics I can hear ten ( or more as you wish) different cabels on the same system and hear it for 5 minutes every time than on a blind test I will identify which cabel is it on 100 % sucsess ( you can test me on speakers and amps as well ) so don't tell me cabels aren't making any difference just admit that your hearing is not sensitive enough !

I don't think anybody is going to take you seriously anymore. Even the most staunch cable afficiando's wouldn't claim such a thing as it just doesn't happen. And as has been said before, if you really believe it, prove everybody wrong and go and see mr james randi...

Other than that, you're pretty much just digging yourself a deeper hole with every subsequent post...

 

[altruistic.lemon]

Well, the naysayers also need to prove they're right, and they haven't yet.

Source plus source cable is very important if you use a turntable. Technics famously, if I remember correctly, got their cable capacitance wrong on one model of the SL1210 once and had to do a very quick about face when the complaints rolled in.

 

[cheeseboy]

Well, the naysayers also need to prove they're right, and they haven't yet.

In the case of the op who claims he can hear differences between cables 100% of the time, he should go and do the tests and collect the money, unless he's doesn't believe in what he says? Surely that's going to be proof enough one way or another in that particular case isn't it?

 

[steve_1979]

speakers =speakers placement = room acoustics= amps =sources=cabels !

Every component has the same important on the Hi Fi system !

So you think that the room acoustics and speakers won't have more of an effect on the sound than cables?

Who is loosing credibility now you or me

:? :wave:

 

[hammill]

Interesting piece of research here. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23717228 It indicates that classical performances judged by experts are won more on their visual aspect of their performance rather than the actual sound and that lay observers could better predict the winner if the sound was off.... Foood for thought for those golden eared contributors who don't need blind tests to know that cables sound different....

 

[ISAC69]

Well, the naysayers also need to prove they're right, and they haven't yet.

Source plus source cable is very important if you use a turntable. Technics famously, if I remember correctly, got their cable capacitance wrong on one model of the SL1210 once and had to do a very quick about face when the complaints rolled in.

Yes my freind all the naysayers are claimimg that they have the ultimative true just because they can't notice any difference between good

cabels to cheap ones . they are sure that the Hi Fi cabels industery is a huge scam god bless them .

Maybe all the magazines making reviews and ratings on cabels are wrong and unreliable and are a part of the scam as well ?

 

[cheeseboy]

Well, the naysayers also need to prove they're right, and they haven't yet.

Source plus source cable is very important if you use a turntable. Technics famously, if I remember correctly, got their cable capacitance wrong on one model of the SL1210 once and had to do a very quick about face when the complaints rolled in.

Yes my freind all the naysayers are claimimg that they have the ultimative true just because they can't notice any difference between good

cabels to cheap ones . they are sure that the Hi Fi cabels industery is a huge scam god bless them .

Maybe all the magazines making reviews and ratings on cabels are wrong and unreliable and are a part of the scam as well ?

So, to answer the question we all want to know the answer to, will you be taking up the Randi challenge to prove it once and for all?

 

[steve_1979]

Well, the naysayers also need to prove they're right, and they haven't yet.

There's plenty of evidence in this blog if you click on all of the links: Clicky

 

[steve_1979]

Maybe all the magazines making reviews and ratings on cabels are wrong and unreliable

The WHF reviewers have been asked if they'd be willing to back up their cable review claims by taking part in a blind test. Clicky

I've been politely asking them this for one and a half years now but they refuse to reply to my question. :shame:

 

[altruistic.lemon]

Cheeseboy, what blind tests have you undertaken?

No-one (apart from ISAC69 and the occasional night and day person) says there is a massive difference, but there is a stack of anecdotal evidence that says some differences are discernible, and, as I said with Technics, real evidence a cable can have an audible and measurable negative effect.

Personally I can't see why people bother to listen to cables at all, sighted or not. It's the other bits that make the sound, but if people hear differences, that's fine, and I see no reason to disbelieve them. You never know, science could prove them right one day.

 

[cheeseboy]

Cheeseboy, what blind tests have you undertaken?

a couple of interconnect, speaker cable tests and digital ones. None were super serious, everything covered, one person chaging. Never really heard discernable difference in the "night or day camp" and the control (ie none got changed) yeilded the same results which lead me to believe that most of the time it's just the brain and especially my brain, meaning that I could put the same track on twice and if I listened hard enough I could hear differences even though nothing has changed - it's more the case that I am telling my brain to listen for stuff. Now speakers/amps etc, the meat and potatoes if you will, and especially room acoustics are a different matter all together. I've also been involved in and done quite a lot of studio time, so I know the difference a treated room makes compared to a semi with odd walls and laminate flooring for example.

No-one (apart from ISAC69 and the occasional night and day person) says there is a massive difference,

yep, that's why I want to see him claim him 1 million as he believes he can hear the difference every time.

but there is a stack of anecdotal evidence that says some differences are discernible,

There's also a stack of evidence to say there are no differences. I'm not bothered with that, I'm botehred about ISAC69 providing proof of his magical ears

and, as I said with Technics, real evidence a cable can have an audible and measurable negative effect.

never questioned that...

Personally I can't see why people bother to listen to cables at all, sighted or not. It's the other bits that make the sound, but if people hear differences, that's fine, and I see no reason to disbelieve them. You never know, science could prove them right one day.

I kind of agree to a certain extent about if people want to/do hear differences, but the bit about science is we already have in some cases science proving that there are no differences (HDMI being the prime example) yet people still say that there are differences, which is the odd bit, and why it turns in to absolute blind faith, which is kind of odd really as it's just a bit of electronics.

 

[ISAC69]

You don't need magical ears to notice difference between good cables to cheap ones . I admit that on digital and USB cabels

the difference is minor but on analog and speaker cabels the difference is obvious .