Power cable

[Blacksabbath25]

Lots of companies send wires and cables to what hifi for review which get 5*.there not trying to hide anything.you are all in the what hifi forum yet you think that all the reviewers are mad.i would happily take any blind test on my system in fact i have already done a blind test on speaker wire at my local dealers and got 5 out of 5. There's lots of intelligent people on the forum here who know so much about hifi.much more than IL ever know but when wires are mentioned it's just a joke (don't get me wrong i like a joke)but come on open your ears and listen.i don't know if cables make a difference in other people's systems but in mine makes all the difference.

Hi,

For me, i have tried to hear a difference between cables - and could not - that is speaker cables and interconnects. I also understand the engineering aspects too.

Regards,

Shadders.

i could only hear slight differences in interconnects from £50 to £200 but when i heard my Clearer audio optimus reference interconnect it was a massive jump in quality.they are £800 which is alot of money as I'm not rich but i think it was worth it.my power cables are also Clearer audio optimus reference which are £1100 each.i manage to get some off cuts a bit cheaper but quite short.again after listening to the hole range Clearer audio had i found these amazing.dont get me wrong you are better off spending this money on Electronics but my system is sounding really good at the moment I'm still upgrading at the moment using isolation feet that my local dealer lent me.im just trying to get the most out of what i have and learning on the way how this crazy hifi works.iv worked for a few hifi companies as i live in Cambridgeshire and learnt alot but cables and wires have always intrigued me

hay I am from Cambridgeshire too

 

[Oldphrt]

Buying expensive mains cables is a poor substitute for common sense. They sell only because of consumer cluelessnesss.

 

[lpv]

Buying expensive mains cables is a poor substitute for common sense. They sell only because of consumer cluelessnesss.

I believe that you speak from experience and done some proper testing?

 

[Gazzip]

Lots of companies send wires and cables to what hifi for review which get 5*.there not trying to hide anything.you are all in the what hifi forum yet you think that all the reviewers are mad.i would happily take any blind test on my system in fact i have already done a blind test on speaker wire at my local dealers and got 5 out of 5. There's lots of intelligent people on the forum here who know so much about hifi.much more than IL ever know but when wires are mentioned it's just a joke (don't get me wrong i like a joke)but come on open your ears and listen.i don't know if cables make a difference in other people's systems but in mine makes all the difference.

Hi,

For me, i have tried to hear a difference between cables - and could not - that is speaker cables and interconnects. I also understand the engineering aspects too.

Regards,

Shadders.

Confirmation bias perhaps?

 

[seemorebtts]

Lots of companies send wires and cables to what hifi for review which get 5*.there not trying to hide anything.you are all in the what hifi forum yet you think that all the reviewers are mad.i would happily take any blind test on my system in fact i have already done a blind test on speaker wire at my local dealers and got 5 out of 5. There's lots of intelligent people on the forum here who know so much about hifi.much more than IL ever know but when wires are mentioned it's just a joke (don't get me wrong i like a joke)but come on open your ears and listen.i don't know if cables make a difference in other people's systems but in mine makes all the difference.

Hi,

For me, i have tried to hear a difference between cables - and could not - that is speaker cables and interconnects. I also understand the engineering aspects too. 

Regards,

Shadders. 

i could only hear slight differences in interconnects from £50 to £200 but when i heard my Clearer audio optimus reference interconnect it was a massive jump in quality.they are £800 which is alot of money as I'm not rich but i think it was worth it.my power cables are also Clearer audio optimus reference which are £1100 each.i manage to get some off cuts a bit cheaper but quite short.again after listening to the hole range Clearer audio had i found these amazing.dont get me wrong you are better off spending this money on Electronics but my system is sounding really good at the moment I'm still upgrading at the moment using isolation feet that my local dealer lent me.im just trying to get the most out of what i have and learning on the way how this crazy hifi works.iv worked for a few hifi companies as i live in Cambridgeshire and learnt alot but cables and wires have always intrigued me

hay I am from Cambridgeshire too 

cool.i feel a cable demo coming on

 

[shadders]

Lots of companies send wires and cables to what hifi for review which get 5*.there not trying to hide anything.you are all in the what hifi forum yet you think that all the reviewers are mad.i would happily take any blind test on my system in fact i have already done a blind test on speaker wire at my local dealers and got 5 out of 5. There's lots of intelligent people on the forum here who know so much about hifi.much more than IL ever know but when wires are mentioned it's just a joke (don't get me wrong i like a joke)but come on open your ears and listen.i don't know if cables make a difference in other people's systems but in mine makes all the difference.

Hi,

For me, i have tried to hear a difference between cables - and could not - that is speaker cables and interconnects. I also understand the engineering aspects too.

Regards,

Shadders.

Confirmation bias perhaps?

Hi,

No, not confirmation bias. Try as I did, concentrating hard, I could not hear any difference.

Would that now be the problem, I cannot hear the difference, so if I was part of a test, and people knew I could not tell the difference, the claim would be that I am purposefully not hearing the difference.

That is why, the believers should undergo testing, to prove that they can, as it is easy to prove you cannot just be denying the difference exists.

Regards,

Shadders.

 

[super]

I remember in the old days if you wanted to improve your hi fi you would change your front end, amp or speakers. Now it seems there is more emphasis on changing mains cables and if you suggested this 20 - 30 years ago people would think you were barmy. How times have changed.

 

[ellisdj]

If they had it nailed 20-30 years ago nothing would have changed.

 

[Oldphrt]

Buying expensive mains cables is a poor substitute for common sense. They sell only because of consumer cluelessnesss.

I believe that you speak from experience and done some proper testing?

Thank you. What is there to test?

 

[Gazzip]

Lots of companies send wires and cables to what hifi for review which get 5*.there not trying to hide anything.you are all in the what hifi forum yet you think that all the reviewers are mad.i would happily take any blind test on my system in fact i have already done a blind test on speaker wire at my local dealers and got 5 out of 5. There's lots of intelligent people on the forum here who know so much about hifi.much more than IL ever know but when wires are mentioned it's just a joke (don't get me wrong i like a joke)but come on open your ears and listen.i don't know if cables make a difference in other people's systems but in mine makes all the difference.

Hi,

For me, i have tried to hear a difference between cables - and could not - that is speaker cables and interconnects. I also understand the engineering aspects too.

Regards,

Shadders.

Confirmation bias perhaps?

Hi,

No, not confirmation bias. Try as I did, concentrating hard, I could not hear any difference.

Would that now be the problem, I cannot hear the difference, so if I was part of a test, and people knew I could not tell the difference, the claim would be that I am purposefully not hearing the difference.

That is why, the believers should undergo testing, to prove that they can, as it is easy to prove you cannot just be denying the difference exists.

Regards,

Shadders.

I'm just mucking about Shadders.

I am a actually a cable agnostic. Not enough scientific knowledge to satisfy myself that the differences I have heard between cables were definitely expectation bias, but equally aware and mindful of what the scientific and pro-audio fraternity make of hifi cables. A confusing situation indeed. My cable choices reflect this state of mind. A mixture of high end (can't be bothered changing them, and you never know...) and studio cables.

 

[Oldphrt]

I remember in the old days if you wanted to improve your hi fi you would change your front end, amp or speakers. Now it seems there is more emphasis on changing mains cables and if you suggested this 20 - 30 years ago people would think you were barmy. How times have changed.

It's still barmy. A piece of wire can't change the characteristics of 240v mains.

 

[Vladimir]

If they had it nailed 20-30 years ago nothing would have changed.

Audiophile electric conductor and insulator technology has greatly progressed since then.

 

[lpv]

Buying expensive mains cables is a poor substitute for common sense. They sell only because of consumer cluelessnesss.

I believe that you speak from experience and done some proper testing?

Thank you. What is there to test?

for a start high end components are mandatory

 

[shadders]

Lots of companies send wires and cables to what hifi for review which get 5*.there not trying to hide anything.you are all in the what hifi forum yet you think that all the reviewers are mad.i would happily take any blind test on my system in fact i have already done a blind test on speaker wire at my local dealers and got 5 out of 5. There's lots of intelligent people on the forum here who know so much about hifi.much more than IL ever know but when wires are mentioned it's just a joke (don't get me wrong i like a joke)but come on open your ears and listen.i don't know if cables make a difference in other people's systems but in mine makes all the difference.

Hi,

For me, i have tried to hear a difference between cables - and could not - that is speaker cables and interconnects. I also understand the engineering aspects too.

Regards,

Shadders.

Confirmation bias perhaps?

Hi,

No, not confirmation bias. Try as I did, concentrating hard, I could not hear any difference.

Would that now be the problem, I cannot hear the difference, so if I was part of a test, and people knew I could not tell the difference, the claim would be that I am purposefully not hearing the difference.

That is why, the believers should undergo testing, to prove that they can, as it is easy to prove you cannot just be denying the difference exists.

Regards,

Shadders.

I'm just mucking about Shadders.

I am a actually a cable agnostic. Not enough scientific knowledge to satisfy myself that the differences I have heard between cables were definitely expectation bias, but equally aware and mindful of what the scientific and pro-audio fraternity make of hifi cables. A confusing situation indeed. My cable choices reflect this state of mind. A mixture of high end (can't be bothered changing them, and you never know...) and studio cables.

Hi,

I do feel sorry for the original poster - must be confused with the sarcasm, spoofing and mickey taking.

Regards,

Shadders.

 

[Gazzip]

Lots of companies send wires and cables to what hifi for review which get 5*.there not trying to hide anything.you are all in the what hifi forum yet you think that all the reviewers are mad.i would happily take any blind test on my system in fact i have already done a blind test on speaker wire at my local dealers and got 5 out of 5. There's lots of intelligent people on the forum here who know so much about hifi.much more than IL ever know but when wires are mentioned it's just a joke (don't get me wrong i like a joke)but come on open your ears and listen.i don't know if cables make a difference in other people's systems but in mine makes all the difference.

Hi,

For me, i have tried to hear a difference between cables - and could not - that is speaker cables and interconnects. I also understand the engineering aspects too.

Regards,

Shadders.

Confirmation bias perhaps?

Hi,

No, not confirmation bias. Try as I did, concentrating hard, I could not hear any difference.

Would that now be the problem, I cannot hear the difference, so if I was part of a test, and people knew I could not tell the difference, the claim would be that I am purposefully not hearing the difference.

That is why, the believers should undergo testing, to prove that they can, as it is easy to prove you cannot just be denying the difference exists.

Regards,

Shadders.

I'm just mucking about Shadders.

I am a actually a cable agnostic. Not enough scientific knowledge to satisfy myself that the differences I have heard between cables were definitely expectation bias, but equally aware and mindful of what the scientific and pro-audio fraternity make of hifi cables. A confusing situation indeed. My cable choices reflect this state of mind. A mixture of high end (can't be bothered changing them, and you never know...) and studio cables.

Hi,

I do feel sorry for the original poster - must be confused with the sarcasm, spoofing and mickey taking.

Regards,

Shadders.

I am pretty sure the OP knew exactly what chaos would ensue.

 

[Oldphrt]

Buying expensive mains cables is a poor substitute for common sense. They sell only because of consumer cluelessnesss.

I believe that you speak from experience and done some proper testing?

Thank you. What is there to test?

for a start high end components are mandatory

You plug it in to anything, it works, end of. Tested!

 

[Oldphrt]

If they had it nailed 20-30 years ago nothing would have changed.

Audiophile electric conductor and insulator technology has greatly progressed since then.

LOL.

 

[lpv]

Buying expensive mains cables is a poor substitute for common sense. They sell only because of consumer cluelessnesss.

I believe that you speak from experience and done some proper testing?

Thank you. What is there to test?

for a start high end components are mandatory

You plug it in to anything, it works, end of. Tested!

well, one of the forum members - ellisdj - keep saying something like you need high end components to hear differences between power cables/ power plants or not etc.. I'm building high end system right now so will see if I can hear the difference..

btw, I need some speaker cables atm

 

[Oldphrt]

Buying expensive mains cables is a poor substitute for common sense. They sell only because of consumer cluelessnesss.

I believe that you speak from experience and done some proper testing?

Thank you. What is there to test?

for a start high end components are mandatory

You plug it in to anything, it works, end of. Tested!

well, one of the forum members - ellisdj - keep saying something like you need high end components to hear differences between power cables/ power plants or not etc.. I'm building high end system right now so will see if I can hear the difference..

btw, I need some speaker cables atm

Then he knows nothing about how electronic things work and his assertions about cables are based on ignorance. You don't listen to the mains.

 

[ellisdj]

Buying expensive mains cables is a poor substitute for common sense. They sell only because of consumer cluelessnesss.

I believe that you speak from experience and done some proper testing?

Thank you. What is there to test? 

for a start high end components are mandatory 

You plug it in to anything, it works, end of. Tested!

well, one of the forum members - ellisdj - keep saying something like you need high end components to hear differences between power cables/ power plants or not etc.. I'm building high end system right now so will see if I can hear the difference.. 

btw, I need some speaker cables atm

I have never once said that mate. All i have said is you cant test 1 cable that didnt cost a lot to then say I heard no difference so they are all the same.
You at least have to try a few with some costing more than the cheapest available. Which is not what some people seem to have done. £200 is not a lot of money spent for example. Wbt or furutech connectors cost that on their own.
For £50 clearer audio copperline alpha power cables make a difference.
For £25 a tacima makes a difference. You dont need to spend a fortune but if you compare to better equivalents its clear where the extra money goes.

Also what constitutes high end? I dont have a high end system far from it in fact.
Hear differences in my system. Heard differences with Electro as well - very clearly

 

[lpv]

ellis - do u have jcat? I'm sure you've mentioned something like you can hear differences better on more resolving systems?

 

[ellisdj]

Well thats the same for anything. More resolving room maybe but it doesnt need to be high end to hear a difference.

My overall system cost is very high in relative terms but some people spend that per box and then some. So I am far from high end.

 

[nopiano]

The sometimes pilloried Russ Andrews used to demo his cheapest "yello" mains cable at hifi shows, using a ghetto blaster. It was quite obviously better with his cable rather than the stock one. I've no idea if it was trickery that escaped me, but it was clear enough to everyone there.

I've recently been re-reading some of his articles about room and speakers setup, which make a lot of sense. I actually think he has a lot of knowledge, but I'm well aware how much cable threads degenerate.

 

[shadders]

Buying expensive mains cables is a poor substitute for common sense. They sell only because of consumer cluelessnesss.

I believe that you speak from experience and done some proper testing?

Thank you. What is there to test?

for a start high end components are mandatory

You plug it in to anything, it works, end of. Tested!

well, one of the forum members - ellisdj - keep saying something like you need high end components to hear differences between power cables/ power plants or not etc.. I'm building high end system right now so will see if I can hear the difference..

btw, I need some speaker cables atm

I have never once said that mate. All i have said is you cant test 1 cable that didnt cost a lot to then say I heard no difference so they are all the same. You at least have to try a few with some costing more than the cheapest available. Which is not what some people seem to have done. £200 is not a lot of money spent for example. Wbt or furutech connectors cost that on their own. For £50 clearer audio copperline alpha power cables make a difference. For £25 a tacima makes a difference. You dont need to spend a fortune but if you compare to better equivalents its clear where the extra money goes.

Also what constitutes high end? I dont have a high end system far from it in fact. Hear differences in my system. Heard differences with Electro as well - very clearly

Hi,

With regards to the highlighted statement - you can, if you believe that cables make a difference. They either do, or do not make a difference. There is no some cables sound different, and others do not.

You have applied your own criteria/rules to which cables make a difference, but you have not outlined the basis of those rules, except "You at least have to try a few with some costing more than the cheapest available".

Why do you have to try a few ?.

Why do they have to cost more ?.

We are talking physics here, how the cable is constructed, and of what material. So one cable is sufficient to prove that they sound different - since the difference is based on physics. It has to be this - else you would be referring to magic, or something else maybe.

Regards,

Shadders.

 

[ellisdj]

You have to try a few to make sure you cover all the bases.
Maybe the ones tested were no better than cheap ones dressed up so thats why you heard no difference.
However maybe others are not.
For that reason it makes sense to try out a few to make sure. Now days this is very easy and there abundance of ones to try - but trying 2 different manufacturers £100 models is not the same as ine manufacturers £100 and £1000 models being tested.

The other thing needed to be done for sure is wire the whole system up with said cabling and try that.
Thats a proper can I hear a difference test