aliEnRIK said:
Bit too much hard work quoting, so ill cheat
"I understand that but it's akin to putting your dinner on the floor in front of a pack of hungry dogs and expecting them not to eat it."
Its a forum. Everyone can do what they like. But if I post that I dont want a debate then somone tries it on, then theyre asking for something other than a debate from me
Understandable, but you could you just ignore them, I fell out with Bretty months ago and he said he wasn't going to reply to anything else I said and to his credit, he didn't, even when I was being nice! There's only a handful of people here that do what you mentioned, so it shouldn't take too much to ignore them. That was one of the great things about NNTP, the killfile, you just dump someone in there and then you never see their posts again (unless somebody quotes one!). Web forums could definitely do with an equivalent, I know I'd use it (and I know I'd end up in a lot of other peoples as well!).
"Write a blog then and disable comments but it's naive to expect that to happen here and you've been here long enough to know which topics incite those sort of responses. I'm not suggesting you censor yourself just don't get wound up when someone takes issue with it."
Im well aware of the differences of opinion. Thats absolutely fine, and ive no problem with people saying as such. What does my head in is when people comment (usually something simple like 'BS' without actually backing up thier argument) simply to try to upset the original posters. If anyone feels different then they should simply post whavever THEY feel. Not start attacking other members. If you feel attacking other members is the way forward then id have to disagree.
It's a fine line though, take this instance, clearly Max disagrees with you on that particular topic but I don't think he was necessarily trying to upset you, the smiley seemed to suggest he was just riffing on an old, familiar topic of disagreement (although I'm not one of those that thinks you can get away with saying anything just because you stick a smiley on the end).
Just of note on another forum - I had one guy (clearly quite a clever guy) who thought it was his civic duty to put everyone right and generally talk down to everyone that he felt were missguided. Thats a big no from me too.
I don't think I do that, generally if I disagree with something it's usually because whatever's been said is illogical or is an unsupportable statement (or demonstrably factually wrong). My trouble is that that can be any statement, even something trivial and not related to the matter at hand, which is probably why I cause a fair amount of thread-drift, which I know annoys people.
Im a big believer in measurements - and when they finally get decent measureing equipment im 100% sure there will be a big turn around for a lot of people. Im a none believer in ABX testing as it does get very confusing for many people - who can really remember what a small passage of music sounded like a minute ago.
Yes, I've often thought that myself, I know I can't, in fact I find listening to unfamiliar speakers or systems in isolation largely a waste of time as I can't remember what anything else I've listened to sounds like (including my own system), unless it's right there as well.
I also don't actually see the point of ABX testing as it seems to be designed to test solely if you can reliably pick A from B but why does that matter, surely the only point is if you can actually hear a difference or not; can you hear a difference, if yes, pick the one you like most and use that, if not, use either of them as it's clearly not making any difference to you.
And anything that goes through an ABX 'switch' (which is generally regarded as the ultimate ABX test) is also a no from me as youve just added a SWITCH to a circuit. I want a clean signal from my interconnects. In my experience, switches are made by those that dont believe cables make a difference and neither do switches so they make very poor switches which I personally believe degrade the sound. So if it degrades the sound its small wonder no one can tell a difference!
Theres lots more to this subject but ill leave that there and move on to whatever else you said..........
Yeah, I've never really looked into it, so I don't have much to say on that.
"And those people will take what they want from your comments, so I wouldn't worry about the others."
I certainly aint worrying
Well, I meant to the point of bothering to dignify them with a response.
"Ah I was wondering if that was my fault, I wish people would just say so."
Our main union rep said something similar. So I said in front of everyone that he was definitely not to blame.
I wasn't being entirely serious, I don't think I've had a conversation with Gerrardsanails for some time, so I'd have been surprised if it was me.
I would say the way you confront people you disagree with is a part of the problem
Yes, I know what you're saying but if you disagree with someone then there's always going to be an element of confrontation, although I would say I don't stoop to name calling (at least I don't recall ever doing that) and generally my tone is intended as being calm discussion, although people do seem to take it the opposite way, possibly because I get to the point (if something is wrong, I'll say "that's wrong", I don't see the point in beating around the bush). The only time I get exasperated is when I find myself having to repeat a point I've already made because it's been missed or mis-interpreted, that's more frustrating than anything else, I find.
(Im not getting confrontational myself, im just telling you what I believe like you asked).
No, that's fine, exactly what I wanted in fact, "argument" doesn't have to mean "angry", I wish more people realised that.
But for the record, your not one of the main guys so I wouldnt worry too much about it.
Ok, that's useful information, cheers.
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