Pioneer to move away from AV altogether?

[Sliced Bread]

I'm surprised there's not a What HiFi news article on this.

 

[AlbaBrown]

It's no surprise really.

Whether you like their AV amps or not (I don't - most I've experienced have been overpriced and artificially bright sounding), the AV amp market is like the TV market they departed.

No one actually gives a toss about quality, just festoon the product with features/badges/specs that a mail order website or journalist can waffle on about.

If they stuck to the principles of performance-first (like with say the old Kuro range and early high end AV amps), they could distinguish themselves from the mass-market dross. But sadly they can't so it's no surprise and no great loss IMHO

 

[buzz_lightclick]

Fair comment, will be a crying shame if they don't do what Panasonic did with the ZT, and bring out a 'curtain call' Top end AV receiver that includes HDMI2. Doesn't look likely though.

didnt they already they already do that with the Pioneer Susano/SCLX-90?

Yep. How expensive was that! And it weighed a ton!

Retailed at £5000 on release I believe, having read up on it I wouldn't mind one as my next amp, though they are very rarely available for sale on the likes of Av Forums or eBay.

Will there be an SC-LX88 next year or is the 87 going to be Pioneer's last flagship receiver?

Don't know to be honest, why are you interested in getting one?

Yep, I'll end up getting the 87 if that's their last flagship receiver, or the 88 if they make one more, assuming I can't find a Susano 2nd hand for a reasonable price. No great rush though, still more than happy with my 83.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Fair comment, will be a crying shame if they don't do what Panasonic did with the ZT, and bring out a 'curtain call' Top end AV receiver that includes HDMI2. Doesn't look likely though.

didnt they already they already do that with the Pioneer Susano/SCLX-90?

Yep. How expensive was that! And it weighed a ton!

Retailed at £5000 on release I believe, having read up on it I wouldn't mind one as my next amp, though they are very rarely available for sale on the likes of Av Forums or eBay.

Will there be an SC-LX88 next year or is the 87 going to be Pioneer's last flagship receiver?

Don't know to be honest, why are you interested in getting one?

Yep, I'll end up getting the 87 if that's their last flagship receiver, or the 88 if they make one more, assuming I can't find a Susano 2nd hand for a reasonable price. No great rush though, still more than happy with my 83.

Nice one, they all sound great, a Susano would be highly impressive!

 

[grdunn123]

New Pioneer AV receivers on Pioneer's EU website....1224,2024,LX58.LX78 and LX88.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

New Pioneer AV receivers on Pioneer's EU website....1224,2024,LX58.LX78 and LX88.

Nice one! :clap:

 

[grdunn123]

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/42/98/405/SC-LX88-K/page.html

Link to the '88

 

[bigboss]

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/42/98/405/SC-LX88-K/page.html

Link to the '88

Support for Dolby Atmos!! :O

 

[buzz_lightclick]

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/42/98/405/SC-LX88-K/page.html

Link to the '88

Awesome I'll start saving for it today! I see it also has HDMI 2.0 and a "learning remote" - something like a Harmony? I was hoping they'd bring back the RF remote for this model.

The Susano SCLX-90 seems a bit too rare and I'd sooner have something more up to date anyway.

 

[grdunn123]

Link to others

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/42/98/405/SC-LX78-K/page.html

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/42/98/405/SC-LX58-K/page.html

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/42/98/405/SC-2024-K/page.html

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/42/98/405/SC-1224-K/page.html

 

[Deleted member 2457]

More news here:

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/newsroom/news/SC-LX_series/page.html?V2&utm_expid=251789-45.QDQnHPa_Tkqcr5tUkh6yTQ.1&utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pioneer.eu%2Feur%2Fbody.html

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Prices here:

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/news/article/pioneer-announces-five-new-av-receivers/18714

 

[bigboss]

Pioneer and Onkyo are teaming up:

http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/24/pioneer-and-onkyo-unite-home-av-groups/

http://www.eu.onkyo.com/en/articles/basic-agreement-for-capital-business-alliance-in-home-av-business-118293.html

Interpreted by some as Pioneer selling its AV business to Onkyo:

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSL4N0P51MY20140624?irpc=932

 

[grdunn123]

Pioneer and Onkyo are teaming up:

http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/24/pioneer-and-onkyo-unite-home-av-groups/

http://www.eu.onkyo.com/en/articles/basic-agreement-for-capital-business-alliance-in-home-av-business-118293.html

Interpreted by some as Pioneer selling its AV business to Onkyo:

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSL4N0P51MY20140624?irpc=932

Piononkyo?? Onkyioneer??

 

[Frank Harvey]

:O So whats the future for pioneer now, is their one, :?

Other than the first post and yours, I've not read the thread, so apologies if I'm repeating anything.

I've said many times that the AV industry is on the decline, and this just goes to prove how cut throat it is becoming. I believe Pioneer are ditching the AV industry to pursue the two channel market, which is on the increase. AV only dealers, beware.

 

[spiny norman]

I believe Pioneer are ditching the AV industry to pursue the two channel market, which is on the increase. AV only dealers, beware.

No, it's 'ditching' the whole home entertainment division, apparently, to concentrate on the in-car audio and navigation market.

 

[spiny norman]

Accursed double-posting!

 

[Sliced Bread]

The big question on my mind is whether it will be the same people creating future Pioneer amps, or whether we will see somithing similar to Denon / Marantz where the receivers are almost identical.

I hope it's the former as this gives us AV nuts more choice.

 

[The_Lhc]

I believe Pioneer are ditching the AV industry to pursue the two channel market, which is on the increase. AV only dealers, beware.

No, it's 'ditching' the whole home entertainment division, apparently, to concentrate on the in-car audio and navigation market.

And DJ equipment I think, seems bizarre they can make more money out of that but then those CDJs are NOT cheap, so I guess the margins are that much bigger.

 

[spiny norman]

And DJ equipment I think, seems bizarre they can make more money out of that but then those CDJs are NOT cheap, so I guess the margins are that much bigger.

Yes, I think I read somewhere that it would be keeping the DJ stuff, but what I find more bizarre is that it can make more profit on sales direct to car manufacturers for line-fit systems than it can selling AV receivers and the like through consumer channels. Either the car audio insdustry is very generous, or the distribution chain for AV is rather greedy! 😉

 

[The_Lhc]

And DJ equipment I think, seems bizarre they can make more money out of that but then those CDJs are NOT cheap, so I guess the margins are that much bigger.

Yes, I think I read somewhere that it would be keeping the DJ stuff, but what I find more bizarre is that it can make more profit on sales direct to car manufacturers for line-fit systems than it can selling AV receivers and the like through consumer channels. Either the car audio insdustry is very generous, or the distribution chain for AV is rather greedy! 😉

I think that's just sheer scale at work, think of how many million cars are made each year (it's well over 65 million now) and think if they only get 1% of that market (and they probably get a lot more than 1%) it's probably more units than their entire annual AV receiver sales figures (I've got nothing to back that up with though I admit).

 

[Neptune_Twilight]

I had a Pioneer A400 amp that was updated in the UK with some component changes, it had power in droves & had no frills which I liked, as I remember it was rather good but on the bright side - End of an era.