Pure theoretical question. If we discard both Z5800 problems with sound and Philips 9664 Ambilight feature and start judging both sets on the basis of their pure picture performance ( movies and sports) which would be your preferred choice? We did not have online review of Z5800 posted yet, but probably there were enough people who already took a look at both sets and formed their opinion. There was head-to-head comparison of 9704 vs Z5800 in the german audiovision site, where Sony came on top despite having a bit lesser ANSI contrast and 9 times worse blacks. And 9664 is not as good as 9704 in both areas. Though everything is the eye of the beholder. Would be interesting to here where community stands on the subject.
Philips 9664 vs Sony Z5800
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tough choice, but the 46z5800 free sat HD, is getting some good write ups at the mo, on one site they said LED is the buzz word at the moment but this sony can sit right next to it, if you fancy LED HAVE YOU READ UP ON THE 46X4500
I dont know, probably we will get away from direct subject, but I just compared 40Z5500 vs 47PFL8404 on Eurosport SD alpine skiing.If any 47 inch Philips looked sharper on SD then 40 inch Sony. No motion blurring on Philips was visible. This puzzles me a bit in view of widely reported problems with it on 7404 and 9664. With regards to X4500 I think there was general feeling that it very good for HD material and not so good for SD. Movement wise it was also not so good as Z4500 during one comparison on HD movie with fast car paces. So overall I think X4500 has very good blacks , sound , etc and a good candidate for home theater.If you watch lots of sports during daytime, especially on SD, I think one better look elsewhere. As for LED on Philips they all have some pink push, as I dont like that at all.
After 2010 we will have 2011, 2012 etc new models. So we cant wait forever especially considering coming Olympics and World Cup.Given the choice between 2 what will be yours for sports and movies on HD and SD ?
hi hazarin
sounds like you done your home work, intresting to read that the x4500 SD is not so good as. which site puts it above the 405800?
im like you looking at my best 46/47 option for sport SD and HD not sure to go with sony or phillips
its a nightmere trying to work out what one to go with
sounds like you done your home work, intresting to read that the x4500 SD is not so good as. which site puts it above the 405800?
im like you looking at my best 46/47 option for sport SD and HD not sure to go with sony or phillips
its a nightmere trying to work out what one to go with
would it be a good time to buy either tv ?? i realise one cant wait forever , but the new sony led edge tvs are not far away , they certainly look great for me , and they should have better blacks than any current sony (maybe bar the x4500) ..
the 9664 , 9704 and z5800 are not around that long , by march , they will probably still be on sale , probably cheaper too , as for the x4500 , well mathewpiano reckons the current z5500 pushes it very close , so shouldnt the new sonys be better ??
the 9664 , 9704 and z5800 are not around that long , by march , they will probably still be on sale , probably cheaper too , as for the x4500 , well mathewpiano reckons the current z5500 pushes it very close , so shouldnt the new sonys be better ??
hi maxflinn
dont think i can wait to summer for the new sonys, however they do look special, but the more these sets have better tech put in them the reviews allways find faults, i think i got 2 bite the bullit and just get it
ps great picture
dont think i can wait to summer for the new sonys, however they do look special, but the more these sets have better tech put in them the reviews allways find faults, i think i got 2 bite the bullit and just get it
ps great picture
darren hob:
hi maxflinn
dont think i can wait to summer for the new sonys, however they do look special, but the more these sets have better tech put in them the reviews allways find faults, i think i got 2 bite the bullit and just get it
ps great picture
thats what too much guiness does to a man
please post your findings once youve bought your new tv , enjoy...
hi maxflinn
dont think i can wait to summer for the new sonys, however they do look special, but the more these sets have better tech put in them the reviews allways find faults, i think i got 2 bite the bullit and just get it
ps great picture
thats what too much guiness does to a man
please post your findings once youve bought your new tv , enjoy...
I personally do not see what the hype about LED TV is all about. As usual I personally auditioned both edge lit ( PFL 8664) and directly behind the screen ( X4500, 9704) and I was not that impressed. In Philips they have a problem with colour in X4500 with Sd material and sharpness. It is just a different way to provide a light and as usual there are some pluses and minuses. With regards to the new Sony range, they are presented in so-called monolithic design, which I am afraid pure repetition of latest Samsungs and LGs, with them suffering horribly under nornal light and basically serving like a mirror. I am sure if we are looking for a mirror we can find it for much cheaper price. They only question is actually how different with regards to picture quality are Z5500 vs Z5800. As I wrote 47PFL8404 on SD looked sharper then 40Z5500. That leaves me scratching my head.
Hi Darren ,
As we are forbidden to publish links you just google for digitalversus and you will have a direct link with different language options and there you can dig all info on X4500 and so on. There you can also do face-to-face comparisons for different parameters. Another site is german audiovision they do have very thorough reviews ( what else should we expect from them) in german , with black, ANSI and in picture contrast measurements). Some of them are free , for some you need to pay a bit. You can paste the URL in google translate and you will have your english version. As for direct scores actually audiovision scored both Z5800 and X4500 at 85/100 with X4500 twice as expensive. X4500 got 9/10 in HD and 6/10 in SD. But with regards to contrast you also need to know that human eye can not distingusih contrasts above 300-350, so basically everything which is above that is undistiguishable by us humans. And even presence of one candle ( 1 candella) in the complete dark room kills those published contrasts numbers. So all in all I think the only parameter you should bother if you are in Sony -Philips range money wise , is sharpness of the movement, and estetics of the set. I think I pretty much made my mind based on today 47PFL 8404 vs 40Z500 comparison. Will get 7404 and buy Sharp sound bar and hopefully will be a happy customer. 9664 is nice set but again I did not see much difference on SD between it and 8404. But for you that may be another story as you do in UK have documented history of 7404 , 9664 problem with blur during movement. If you check alatestcouk then first place belongs to W5500 with a bunch of familiar suspects below. Though again if I were you I would find a shop where you can make direct face-to-face comparison on the material of your choice and make up your mind. Those reviews and measurements are wonderfull things but nothing replaces your own feelings and the way you see the world.
As we are forbidden to publish links you just google for digitalversus and you will have a direct link with different language options and there you can dig all info on X4500 and so on. There you can also do face-to-face comparisons for different parameters. Another site is german audiovision they do have very thorough reviews ( what else should we expect from them) in german , with black, ANSI and in picture contrast measurements). Some of them are free , for some you need to pay a bit. You can paste the URL in google translate and you will have your english version. As for direct scores actually audiovision scored both Z5800 and X4500 at 85/100 with X4500 twice as expensive. X4500 got 9/10 in HD and 6/10 in SD. But with regards to contrast you also need to know that human eye can not distingusih contrasts above 300-350, so basically everything which is above that is undistiguishable by us humans. And even presence of one candle ( 1 candella) in the complete dark room kills those published contrasts numbers. So all in all I think the only parameter you should bother if you are in Sony -Philips range money wise , is sharpness of the movement, and estetics of the set. I think I pretty much made my mind based on today 47PFL 8404 vs 40Z500 comparison. Will get 7404 and buy Sharp sound bar and hopefully will be a happy customer. 9664 is nice set but again I did not see much difference on SD between it and 8404. But for you that may be another story as you do in UK have documented history of 7404 , 9664 problem with blur during movement. If you check alatestcouk then first place belongs to W5500 with a bunch of familiar suspects below. Though again if I were you I would find a shop where you can make direct face-to-face comparison on the material of your choice and make up your mind. Those reviews and measurements are wonderfull things but nothing replaces your own feelings and the way you see the world.
when you say you pesonally auditioned , do you mean at home ? or in a store ? if its the latter were the various tvs set up correctly ? were they getting the same quality of input ? were the store lights dimmed ?
in my experience you can prefer one tv over another in one store , and visa versa in another store , as regards z5500 vs z5800 , they are identical apart from freesat ..
also , why would the monolithic design make a tv suffer horribly under normal light and serve like a mirror ? its just styling is it not ?
again ,when you made the observation that the z5500 wasnt as sharp as the 8404 , was that in a store ? the z5500 is said to have a pin sharp picture , at least thats what ive read ...
im scratching my head too..
in my experience you can prefer one tv over another in one store , and visa versa in another store , as regards z5500 vs z5800 , they are identical apart from freesat ..
also , why would the monolithic design make a tv suffer horribly under normal light and serve like a mirror ? its just styling is it not ?
again ,when you made the observation that the z5500 wasnt as sharp as the 8404 , was that in a store ? the z5500 is said to have a pin sharp picture , at least thats what ive read ...
im scratching my head too..
Hi max, I do audition sets exclusively at shops as doing it at home would burn a little hole in my budget. Lately I do take with myself best calibrated settings recommended for particular TV and apply them to sets I am evaluating. And of cause when I compare I compare the same feeds. We do want to compare apples with apples. The lights in store were not dimmed for one simple reason. I do want to emulate real viewing situation at my home as close as possible, which do not have designated home theater room with controlled light environment. The TV will be at the living room with the variety of light conditions varying from sunny in the day to dark in the night. Though I do not see how controlled light environment would affect sharpness of the movement. What I can only say with regards to Z5500 vs Philips 7 and 8 series that Sony has a better rendition of colours in the shades. That of cause is the result of much superior blacks and contrasts. Though again this is visible only if you deliberately looking for it. As we know TV is a dynamic process so in the majority of the time you just dont have time to stare into those shades, and just perceive the picture as a whole. As a result all you have is simple impression. And my impressions from 47PFL8404 in the store from SD image of alpine skiing were better than that of 40Z5500. And of cause you realize that Sony had 7 inch handicap. For sharpness all I can say people can write what they want. Their job is to write. My job is to buy what suits me best. But I do my homework before evaluation and take it seriously.
As for monolithic design. May be I am wrong but if by this they mean the same sheat of glass over the whole frame like in Samsungs and LGs then it will be nothing but a trouble. It will work wonders for home theaters in the complete dark and will bring nothing but distraction during day time viewing. Because this so-called non-reflective glass is so reflective that you can see yourselves and everything else behind you. With LGs it even affects the sharpness as the image effectively doubles and some people even made a photo of this. But again these are just my suspicions. May be new range will have the same matte screen and everything will be *****-dorey.
As for monolithic design. May be I am wrong but if by this they mean the same sheat of glass over the whole frame like in Samsungs and LGs then it will be nothing but a trouble. It will work wonders for home theaters in the complete dark and will bring nothing but distraction during day time viewing. Because this so-called non-reflective glass is so reflective that you can see yourselves and everything else behind you. With LGs it even affects the sharpness as the image effectively doubles and some people even made a photo of this. But again these are just my suspicions. May be new range will have the same matte screen and everything will be *****-dorey.
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