omnibeard
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marou said:And I can hear it - not sure why I'm feeling so pleased with myself.
But can you hear the didgeridoo?
marou said:And I can hear it - not sure why I'm feeling so pleased with myself.
oldric_naubhoff said:Overdose said:oldric_naubhoff said:CnoEvil said:Native_bon said:So basing a good music system on the retriveval of an Elvis song which was not recorded properly due wrong mic placement is very lame indeed.
IMO. A well chosen system should have stunning detail without losing it's musicality or becoming analytical.....in fact it would be a must for me.
beat me to it CNO! I agree completely. one isn't the enemy of the other. if it is there's something wrong with the gear.
You know, earlier I thought that you might have missed omnibeards irony. Now I'm sure of it.
:doh:
still, I stand by what I said. he does seem to know what he's talking about.
omnibeard said:But can you hear the didgeridoo?
marou said:Easy to answer this. July 21st 1955 - Elvis laid down the monumental Trying To Get To You. One of the worst quality surviving Sun tapes, the master no longer exists (some releases have used a mint Sun 78 as the source) but Sony has restored this as much as possible, and has created a new digital master from a transter to an RCA IPS 30 tape, however, it's still full of compression from tape wear, age and rubbish DR compression applied by RCA in 1956 for release on the eponymous LP "Elvis Presley'. Trying To Get To You is the first Elvis recording to feature a piano - played by Elvis himself - but it is inaudible as it wasn't miked correctly (and not erased by Sam Phillips as was long thought). You can however hear the vestiges of Elvis playing through leakage on the slapback dry echo tape - but you need a damned transparent and revealing hifi to hear it. You could argue if your hifi can't produce the piano, then it's not hifi as it's on the tape. I guarantee few hifis can reveal it...
And I can hear it - not sure why I'm feeling so pleased with myself.
moon said:CnoEvil said:oldric_naubhoff said::doh:
still, I stand by what I said. he does seem to know what he's talking about.
Well then he's probably on the wrong forum!
Which forum should he be on ?
the record spot said:I'm sure he does. Placing too much store in one's own capabilities or beliefs is another thing. I don't doubt an expensive stereo costing a fortune is highly revealing. So too thanks to current design capabilities and economies of scale is much much cheaper gear. iPod Touch included...
S.Coates said:Futile, fatuous and juvenile.
omnibeard said:marou said:And I can hear it - not sure why I'm feeling so pleased with myself.
But can you hear the didgeridoo?
CnoEvil said:I didgeridont!
moon said:CnoEvil said:Well then he's probably on the wrong forum!
Which forum should he be on ?
S.Coates said:the record spot said:S.Coates said:You can however hear the vestiges of Elvis playing through leakage on the slapback dry echo tape - but you need a damned transparent and revealing hifi to hear it. You could argue if your hifi can't produce the piano, then it's not hifi as it's on the tape. I guarantee few hifis can reveal it...
Or your hearing's not so good and you miss it. Anyway, I've ordered the CD (the non-Copy Protection one). Presuambly then, you've been round most hifis in order to be able to make that kind of statement? I'd suggest you may be a tad more over-confident about the abilities of some "lesser" equipment. Especially today, or of the last twenty years.
is this supposed to be a serious response? I'm an engineer who works on acoustic submarine weapons systems...My father was a recording engineer, built hi-fi equipment and was an expert in concert hall acoustics - so I've been around hifi and music all my life. I'm also an expert on Elvis recordings sessions (intimately familiar with every take, every restoration process, every bit of sound that is and isn't on the master types or newest generation of copy available) -I have 20,000 Elvis albums and cds and have engaged at length with Ernst Jørgensen and the world's greatest recording engineer Vic Anesini...
S.Coates said:...an expert on Elvis recordings sessions (intimately familiar with every take, every restoration process, every bit of sound that is and isn't on the master types or newest generation of copy available) -I have 20,000 Elvis albums and cds and have engaged at length with Ernst Jørgensen and the world's greatest recording engineer Vic Anesini...
omnibeard said:CnoEvil said:I didgeridont!
Come on man, on your set up you must be able to hear both the didgeridoos!
chebby said:Searched for the 'Elvis Presley' [Remastered] eponymous album on iTunes and selected 'Trying To Get To You' to play the 90 second sample via AirPlay. (Most of the track in this case.)
No big problem hearing the piano via Marantz/Rega R3s although I had to deliberately listen for it at first.
Tried again with wife's Grado SR60i headphones. Even better! Didn't have to consciously 'try' to hear it at all. There it was, plain as day.
Thanks whoever first decided to challenge this. I just accepted it on the 'authority' of a man who is...
S.Coates said:...an expert on Elvis recordings sessions (intimately familiar with every take, every restoration process, every bit of sound that is and isn't on the master types or newest generation of copy available) -I have 20,000 Elvis albums and cds and have engaged at length with Ernst Jørgensen and the world's greatest recording engineer Vic Anesini...
Try listening to THIS on whatever you are browsing with by the way.
Overdose said:Well, it's been mentioned before, that guy knows his onions.
omnibeard said:Overdose said:Well, it's been mentioned before, that guy knows his onions.
But does he know his skillets from his sauciers?
omnibeard said:I think that's just someone oiling their wok.
Well, not much that would be called high end, from a cost point of view, though I've heard some relatively cheap speakers that I felt sounded brilliant. As I said, I think what you're getting from bigger, more expensive speakers, is greater scale and bass, which may not be necessary for your average sized living room.SteveR750 said:Dynamight said:I can't say I've ever heard of any of them to be honestlindsayt said:Dynamight said:I reckon your system would probably be at least as good.lindsayt said:OK, I can put together a system with an £800 analogue source, £500 worth of amplification and £500 speakers, £50 in cables, £0 in supports and stands.
How easy do you think it would be to tell the difference between my £1850 system and say a £30,000 Linn high end LP12SE, Klimax Kontrol, fully Aktive 4200 power amps, Majik Isobarik system?
Thank you. Nice answer.
The reality is that it's very easy to notice the difference between these 2 systems. It's the sort of difference that hits you in the face as soon as you listen to them. Better source, better amplification, better speakers. They all add up to a large, easily noticeable difference.
But that's only because I've cheated.
Studer A807 playing 15 ips master tapes or master tape copies or 7.5 ips radio broadcast tapes, Pioneer SF-700 active crossover, a pair of Urei 6290 amps into Bozak Symphony speakers. All 2nd hand.
Poor Linn system. Doesn't stand a chance against that. :rofl:
For me, it's all about the speakers, as they affect sound quality far more than any other componants, IMO, and I believe you can get excellent sound from many that cost less than £1250, all that I have in mind being active. Sure, you're going to get more bass and greater scale/presence from bigger, more expensive speakers that are driven by suitably powerful amplification (which needn't be expensive), but I don't think there's going to be that much difference in overall sound quality. The law of diminishing returns kicks in extremely low down the money scale with HiFi, IMO.
Based on what listening experience though?
SteveR750 said:And so S Coates is duly hung. Unlucky fella.
floyd droid said:SteveR750 said:And so S Coates is duly hung. Unlucky fella.
And also thanks to the saddos that ran around like bafs sussing out the Elvis track, and by all accounts actually hearing what Mr C was going on about, i feel it is now safe to announce that..........
The High End HiFi industry is doomed.
Now ,where did i put my Alba tower system ? :shifty:.