Flatscreen, if you're making allegations of bias, let's have some actual evidence, not just hearsay.
And the T3 trumpeting is getting a bit tiresome now, both from you and your alter ego, much though that title needs all the help it can get...
And the T3 trumpeting is getting a bit tiresome now, both from you and your alter ego, much though that title needs all the help it can get...
It was Stuff magazine that featured the 3D story and not T3.....another Hay Market publication.....just like What Hi Fi.
For people who say they are not into 3D TV, would you want to see the world with one eye[2D], if not then why say no to 3D TV. Which ever system wins - Active shutter, Polarising or Lenticular system, the technology feeds both eyes with a HD image the brain treat as one.
The world looks better on TV not just in color but in 3D as we see the world.
I am happy Sony will reign in the brave new TV world. I don't like Philips and their cleaver system is only suported by Fuji with the current W1 Real camera and V1 picture frame viewer.
Even Stuff mag rate the Pioneer Kuro as the most perfect exacting LCD TV ever made so these guys know their stuff. Its good to have a non monopolistic view of what is the best from more than one magazine
The Philips is the best allrounder.....that's it. Not for image or games
For people who say they are not into 3D TV, would you want to see the world with one eye[2D], if not then why say no to 3D TV. Which ever system wins - Active shutter, Polarising or Lenticular system, the technology feeds both eyes with a HD image the brain treat as one.
The world looks better on TV not just in color but in 3D as we see the world.
I am happy Sony will reign in the brave new TV world. I don't like Philips and their cleaver system is only suported by Fuji with the current W1 Real camera and V1 picture frame viewer.
Even Stuff mag rate the Pioneer Kuro as the most perfect exacting LCD TV ever made so these guys know their stuff. Its good to have a non monopolistic view of what is the best from more than one magazine
The Philips is the best allrounder.....that's it. Not for image or games
So even the source was incorrect in that first post, then...?
FLATSCREEN:Even Stuff mag rate the Pioneer Kuro as the most perfect exacting LCD TV ever made so these guys know their stuff.
Or when they don't, they know where to find writers who do...
But they probably rate it as the most etc etc flat screen TV, not LCD. As of course they're talking about the plasma models...
FLATSCREEN:Even Stuff mag rate the Pioneer Kuro as the most perfect exacting LCD TV ever made so these guys know their stuff.
Or when they don't, they know where to find writers who do...
But they probably rate it as the most etc etc flat screen TV, not LCD. As of course they're talking about the plasma models...
FLATSCREEN:
It was Stuff magazine that featured the 3D story and not T3.....another Hay Market publication.....just like What Hi Fi.
For people who say they are not into 3D TV, would you want to see the world with one eye[2D], if not then why say no to 3D TV. Which ever system wins - Active shutter, Polarising or Lenticular system, the technology feeds both eyes with a HD image the brain treat as one.
The world looks better on TV not just in color but in 3D as we see the world.
I am happy Sony will reign in the brave new TV world. I don't like Philips and their cleaver system is only suported by Fuji with the current W1 Real camera and V1 picture frame viewer.
Even Stuff mag rate the Pioneer Kuro as the most perfect exacting LCD TV ever made so these guys know their stuff. Its good to have a non monopolistic view of what is the best from more than one magazine
The Philips is the best allrounder.....that's it. Not for image or games
I'm not entirely sure how you reach the conclusion that viewing something in 2D is like viewing something with one eye. That's baffling - close one eye and tell me if you cease to see things in 3D.
You stated previously, that Sony should have won What HiFi's product of the year, accused the publication of bias, yet now you seem to back Philips. All this leads me to my starting point, which is
It was Stuff magazine that featured the 3D story and not T3.....another Hay Market publication.....just like What Hi Fi.
For people who say they are not into 3D TV, would you want to see the world with one eye[2D], if not then why say no to 3D TV. Which ever system wins - Active shutter, Polarising or Lenticular system, the technology feeds both eyes with a HD image the brain treat as one.
The world looks better on TV not just in color but in 3D as we see the world.
I am happy Sony will reign in the brave new TV world. I don't like Philips and their cleaver system is only suported by Fuji with the current W1 Real camera and V1 picture frame viewer.
Even Stuff mag rate the Pioneer Kuro as the most perfect exacting LCD TV ever made so these guys know their stuff. Its good to have a non monopolistic view of what is the best from more than one magazine
The Philips is the best allrounder.....that's it. Not for image or games
I'm not entirely sure how you reach the conclusion that viewing something in 2D is like viewing something with one eye. That's baffling - close one eye and tell me if you cease to see things in 3D.
You stated previously, that Sony should have won What HiFi's product of the year, accused the publication of bias, yet now you seem to back Philips. All this leads me to my starting point, which is
The pair of human eyes are capable of steroscopic vision, if you see the world with one eye you lose that ability. To prove it, try to judge distances with one eye of say one car behind another in motion on its axis, its virtually impossible. The world looks like a 2d cardboard cut out with one eye.
When you view a 2d TV set, having two eyes does not convey more depth info' to the brain than with with one eye as the brain recieves the same depth info; of couse you have a wider field of vision. The essential depth cues discerning foreground to background doesn't exist.
Steroscopic vision can not be attained with one eye, hence HD 3D glasses have two lenses. With the Philips lenticular system, where you don't wear any 3D glasses...I suspect you wouldn't see the 3D either.
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I don't like those What Hi Fi Award categories, there should be different achivement categories. What Hi Fi have never said the Philips award winners were the Best all rounder, If it did I retract my comment. It was simply the best 32 and 42 inch TVs?? What is best?? Is a 911 turbo better than a Nissan GTR?? I say No other say Yes? It depends what you are looking at. Lap times at Nuremberg Nissan is quicker. .
When you view a 2d TV set, having two eyes does not convey more depth info' to the brain than with with one eye as the brain recieves the same depth info; of couse you have a wider field of vision. The essential depth cues discerning foreground to background doesn't exist.
Steroscopic vision can not be attained with one eye, hence HD 3D glasses have two lenses. With the Philips lenticular system, where you don't wear any 3D glasses...I suspect you wouldn't see the 3D either.
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I don't like those What Hi Fi Award categories, there should be different achivement categories. What Hi Fi have never said the Philips award winners were the Best all rounder, If it did I retract my comment. It was simply the best 32 and 42 inch TVs?? What is best?? Is a 911 turbo better than a Nissan GTR?? I say No other say Yes? It depends what you are looking at. Lap times at Nuremberg Nissan is quicker. .
Are you saying that if you view things with one eye you lose the perception of depth? If you cover one eye with your hand, you still have the ability to perceive depth and therefore you are not seeing things in 2 dimensions but 3.
In a sentence to your question htmb, yes.
With one eye, dept perception is very difficult, the brain tries to 'fill in the gaps'.....it guess what the foreground and background distance is and most likely will get it wrong. You see 2D with one eye. With 2 eyes you see 3D. The same is with hearing,can you hear sterophonics with one working ear??
When What Hi Fi say the Philips TV pictures have a 3D look, a cheap trick, it's the brain and not the TV filling in 'depth dimension gap' to give that perceived 3D look. It's an illusion as both eye don't really see 3D. That's why I couldn't agree with the verdict on those sets been the best.. Philips have conjured up that 3D image look. Its as fake as a David Blaine trick!
In true next gen 3D vision or stereo sound each eye and ear sees and hears a different phase of the same image or sound. We never notice the two sets of infomation.The brain stitches it all up.
With 3D TV, we see the TV pictures as the eye sees what is everyday around them - its not an illusion of 3D but true 3D.
What Hi Fi were seduced by the illusion of 3D images from the Philips.....those sets should be disqualified from the awards,its an illusion of 3D, When 3D TV arrives then evaluate it on the 3D qualities but not now.
With one eye, dept perception is very difficult, the brain tries to 'fill in the gaps'.....it guess what the foreground and background distance is and most likely will get it wrong. You see 2D with one eye. With 2 eyes you see 3D. The same is with hearing,can you hear sterophonics with one working ear??
When What Hi Fi say the Philips TV pictures have a 3D look, a cheap trick, it's the brain and not the TV filling in 'depth dimension gap' to give that perceived 3D look. It's an illusion as both eye don't really see 3D. That's why I couldn't agree with the verdict on those sets been the best.. Philips have conjured up that 3D image look. Its as fake as a David Blaine trick!
In true next gen 3D vision or stereo sound each eye and ear sees and hears a different phase of the same image or sound. We never notice the two sets of infomation.The brain stitches it all up.
With 3D TV, we see the TV pictures as the eye sees what is everyday around them - its not an illusion of 3D but true 3D.
What Hi Fi were seduced by the illusion of 3D images from the Philips.....those sets should be disqualified from the awards,its an illusion of 3D, When 3D TV arrives then evaluate it on the 3D qualities but not now.
I presume you have both spent several years studying micro-brain function, cognitive perception and the intricacies of cellular optic processess? I don't normally involve myself in some of the sillier debates on this forum, but this might just be the most ludicrous yet...
For the record, 3D is likely to blow, big time -- though this is just an opinion based on the fact that I don't want to sit in my living room wearing odd looking glasses (and clearly not the outcome of the kind of rigorous scientific research you have both conducted)!
For the record, 3D is likely to blow, big time -- though this is just an opinion based on the fact that I don't want to sit in my living room wearing odd looking glasses (and clearly not the outcome of the kind of rigorous scientific research you have both conducted)!
FLATSCREEN:What Hi Fi were seduced by the illusion of 3D images from the Philips.....those sets should be disqualified from the awards,its an illusion of 3D, When 3D TV arrives then evaluate it on the 3D qualities but not now.
Your posts - and the assumptions therein - really are getting increasingly bizarre, saw5suffer...
Your posts - and the assumptions therein - really are getting increasingly bizarre, saw5suffer...
strapped for cash:
I presume you have both spent several years studying micro-brain function, cognitive perception and the intricacies of cellular optic processess? I don't normally involve myself in some of the sillier debates on this forum, but this might just be the most ludicrous yet...
For the record, 3D is likely to blow, big time -- though this is just an opinion based on the fact that I don't want to sit in my living room wearing odd looking glasses (and clearly not the outcome of the kind of rigorous scientific research you have both conducted)!
Whilst I certainly do detect the sarcasm you used in your post, I will concede that I have never studied any of the subjects you mentioned, but then I was not purporting to act, inform or argue as though I had done so, hence the lack of any technical or scientific terms in any of my responses.
Whilst you have posted on this thread, you haven't involved yourself in the debate (if you can call it that) given that you haven't expressed an opinion on the matter and are merely providing running commentary.
As to whether or not 3D is "likely to blow, big time," I hope you're right, though quite how you can reach that assumption on the basis of your own lack of enthusiasm is beyond me. It seems quite arrogant that you should assume the failure of a technology based on your own dislike for it. Again, whilst acknowledging your use of sarcasm, I have not conducted any scientific research, rigorous or otherwise, nor have I, at any time, stated anything to the contrary.
I presume you have both spent several years studying micro-brain function, cognitive perception and the intricacies of cellular optic processess? I don't normally involve myself in some of the sillier debates on this forum, but this might just be the most ludicrous yet...
For the record, 3D is likely to blow, big time -- though this is just an opinion based on the fact that I don't want to sit in my living room wearing odd looking glasses (and clearly not the outcome of the kind of rigorous scientific research you have both conducted)!
Whilst I certainly do detect the sarcasm you used in your post, I will concede that I have never studied any of the subjects you mentioned, but then I was not purporting to act, inform or argue as though I had done so, hence the lack of any technical or scientific terms in any of my responses.
Whilst you have posted on this thread, you haven't involved yourself in the debate (if you can call it that) given that you haven't expressed an opinion on the matter and are merely providing running commentary.
As to whether or not 3D is "likely to blow, big time," I hope you're right, though quite how you can reach that assumption on the basis of your own lack of enthusiasm is beyond me. It seems quite arrogant that you should assume the failure of a technology based on your own dislike for it. Again, whilst acknowledging your use of sarcasm, I have not conducted any scientific research, rigorous or otherwise, nor have I, at any time, stated anything to the contrary.
lol , that was a great answer hmtb, actually , very andrew esque , if it wasnt so long , id be wondering ???hmmm
If you read the What Hi Fi Award issues, there are oddities and inconsistences in the reviews that questions how good the Philips 32 and 42 inch sets are:-
1.Of all the TV set categories featured on the winning rostrum, only the 32 and 42 sets from Philips are described as giving a three diamensionality to the image, no other set from Sumsung, Sony, etc has ever been described with that quality in even previous reviews.I have read them all. Did the Pioneer Kuro get that 3D treatment lavished on it?
This proves that only Philips TV are designing to exaggerate diamensional depth in the image. This has becomes an almost 'must have' quality to be an award winner??? How so.
Specifically for the Philips 32 inch award winner, the sound is described as good as the other TVs, but then read the advert later on in the mag and you see that the sound quality is described as superb giving way to a winning 32 inch set???
What is also odd is that the online reviews of the two Tvs are not worded the same as the Award winning reviews.The reference of the image depth diamensionality of the Philips are absent on the online article?? Reading the online reviews you wonder how much better it is to the Sony W or Z series??
The whole review system measure needs to be more objective and disciplined
1.Of all the TV set categories featured on the winning rostrum, only the 32 and 42 sets from Philips are described as giving a three diamensionality to the image, no other set from Sumsung, Sony, etc has ever been described with that quality in even previous reviews.I have read them all. Did the Pioneer Kuro get that 3D treatment lavished on it?
This proves that only Philips TV are designing to exaggerate diamensional depth in the image. This has becomes an almost 'must have' quality to be an award winner??? How so.
Specifically for the Philips 32 inch award winner, the sound is described as good as the other TVs, but then read the advert later on in the mag and you see that the sound quality is described as superb giving way to a winning 32 inch set???
What is also odd is that the online reviews of the two Tvs are not worded the same as the Award winning reviews.The reference of the image depth diamensionality of the Philips are absent on the online article?? Reading the online reviews you wonder how much better it is to the Sony W or Z series??
The whole review system measure needs to be more objective and disciplined
FLATSCREEN:
If you read the What Hi Fi Award issues, there are oddities and inconsistences in the reviews that questions how good the Philips 32 and 42 inch sets are:-
1.Of all the TV set categories featured on the winning rostrum, only the 32 and 42 sets from Philips are described as giving a three diamensionality to the image, no other set from Sumsung, Sony, etc has ever been described with that quality in even previous reviews.I have read them all. Did the Pioneer Kuro get that 3D treatment lavished on it?
This proves that only Philips TV are designing to exaggerate diamensional depth in the image. This has becomes an almost 'must have' quality to be an award winner??? How so.
Specifically for the Philips 32 inch award winner, the sound is described as good as the other TVs, but then read the advert later on in the mag and you see that the sound quality is described as superb giving way to a winning 32 inch set???
Its all waffle from what HiFi. The Philips aren't the best 32 and 42 inch TV, and save the 3D banter for the next gen of TV.
Its poor review and journalism. The facts are put to you all. Defy it?
No.
I'm sure Andrew will have something to say in the morning if he hasn't already had enough of replying to your bizarre posts (this is in fact most likely).
Maxflinn's right it is past bedtime, and on that note..........
If you read the What Hi Fi Award issues, there are oddities and inconsistences in the reviews that questions how good the Philips 32 and 42 inch sets are:-
1.Of all the TV set categories featured on the winning rostrum, only the 32 and 42 sets from Philips are described as giving a three diamensionality to the image, no other set from Sumsung, Sony, etc has ever been described with that quality in even previous reviews.I have read them all. Did the Pioneer Kuro get that 3D treatment lavished on it?
This proves that only Philips TV are designing to exaggerate diamensional depth in the image. This has becomes an almost 'must have' quality to be an award winner??? How so.
Specifically for the Philips 32 inch award winner, the sound is described as good as the other TVs, but then read the advert later on in the mag and you see that the sound quality is described as superb giving way to a winning 32 inch set???
Its all waffle from what HiFi. The Philips aren't the best 32 and 42 inch TV, and save the 3D banter for the next gen of TV.
Its poor review and journalism. The facts are put to you all. Defy it?
No.
I'm sure Andrew will have something to say in the morning if he hasn't already had enough of replying to your bizarre posts (this is in fact most likely).
Maxflinn's right it is past bedtime, and on that note..........
hmtb:strapped for cash:
I presume you have both spent several years studying micro-brain function, cognitive perception and the intricacies of cellular optic processess? I don't normally involve myself in some of the sillier debates on this forum, but this might just be the most ludicrous yet...
For the record, 3D is likely to blow, big time -- though this is just an opinion based on the fact that I don't want to sit in my living room wearing odd looking glasses (and clearly not the outcome of the kind of rigorous scientific research you have both conducted)!
Whilst I certainly do detect the sarcasm you used in your post, I will concede that I have never studied any of the subjects you mentioned, but then I was not purporting to act, inform or argue as though I had done so, hence the lack of any technical or scientific terms in any of my responses.
Whilst you have posted on this thread, you haven't involved yourself in the debate (if you can call it that) given that you haven't expressed an opinion on the matter and are merely providing running commentary.
As to whether or not 3D is "likely to blow, big time," I hope you're right, though quite how you can reach that assumption on the basis of your own lack of enthusiasm is beyond me. It seems quite arrogant that you should assume the failure of a technology based on your own dislike for it. Again, whilst acknowledging your use of sarcasm, I have not conducted any scientific research, rigorous or otherwise, nor have I, at any time, stated anything to the contrary.
Hi HTMB.
No personal offence intended. I'm not a bad fella... honest. I just wanted to point out how abstract the discussion on this thread had become. I also have no scientific training, nor can I claim that any of the terms I used have any bearing, whatsoever, in scientific circles.
As for my perceived 'arrogance', I was merely expressing an opinion... after all, the whf form was designed to facilitate the expression of opinions!
I presume you have both spent several years studying micro-brain function, cognitive perception and the intricacies of cellular optic processess? I don't normally involve myself in some of the sillier debates on this forum, but this might just be the most ludicrous yet...
For the record, 3D is likely to blow, big time -- though this is just an opinion based on the fact that I don't want to sit in my living room wearing odd looking glasses (and clearly not the outcome of the kind of rigorous scientific research you have both conducted)!
Whilst I certainly do detect the sarcasm you used in your post, I will concede that I have never studied any of the subjects you mentioned, but then I was not purporting to act, inform or argue as though I had done so, hence the lack of any technical or scientific terms in any of my responses.
Whilst you have posted on this thread, you haven't involved yourself in the debate (if you can call it that) given that you haven't expressed an opinion on the matter and are merely providing running commentary.
As to whether or not 3D is "likely to blow, big time," I hope you're right, though quite how you can reach that assumption on the basis of your own lack of enthusiasm is beyond me. It seems quite arrogant that you should assume the failure of a technology based on your own dislike for it. Again, whilst acknowledging your use of sarcasm, I have not conducted any scientific research, rigorous or otherwise, nor have I, at any time, stated anything to the contrary.
Hi HTMB.
No personal offence intended. I'm not a bad fella... honest. I just wanted to point out how abstract the discussion on this thread had become. I also have no scientific training, nor can I claim that any of the terms I used have any bearing, whatsoever, in scientific circles.
As for my perceived 'arrogance', I was merely expressing an opinion... after all, the whf form was designed to facilitate the expression of opinions!
hmtb:I'm sure Andrew will have something to say in the morning if he hasn't already had enough of replying to your bizarre posts (this is in fact most likely).
Maxflinn's right it is past bedtime, and on that note..........
There's little point in replying to saw5suffer/flatscreen's posts when they are edited repeatedly after posting. That last one of theirs got edited seven times in an hour - too much of a moving target...
Maxflinn's right it is past bedtime, and on that note..........
There's little point in replying to saw5suffer/flatscreen's posts when they are edited repeatedly after posting. That last one of theirs got edited seven times in an hour - too much of a moving target...
3D TV will revolutionise the TV industry! If you are an investor you will go 'long' and reap rewards.James Murdock knows this. It will arrive first with PC games, then digital cameras[already here but needs work]. 3D TV and 3D broadcast, HD bluray will be the climax. Japan and Korea will adopt first. Those guys are aways first will the latest..their mobiles are in 5th gen phase!
Sony intends to lead this one, Howard Stringer have issued the battle calls,don't let anyone tell you its going to falter. Hollywood wants it as bad as Sky.
Its almost virtual reality reinvented,not quite Lawnmover man stuff, for games as you enter another world......chilling implications???
Sony intends to lead this one, Howard Stringer have issued the battle calls,don't let anyone tell you its going to falter. Hollywood wants it as bad as Sky.
Its almost virtual reality reinvented,not quite Lawnmover man stuff, for games as you enter another world......chilling implications???
What I would like to know is why do you even use these forums FLATSCREEN?
You don't trust the reviews or the views of the staff at WHF, but you feel the need to use two different user accounts to post on their forums.
Can you explain how you know for certain that Sony will lead the way and that 3D tv will be the next best thing since sliced bread. How have you come to this conclusion when there are no consumer products available, have you seen these new 3D tv's with your own eyes?
Can you see into the future, or do you have a time machine? As you are so sure of the future can you post the winning numbers for next weekends lottery, thanks.
You don't trust the reviews or the views of the staff at WHF, but you feel the need to use two different user accounts to post on their forums.
Can you explain how you know for certain that Sony will lead the way and that 3D tv will be the next best thing since sliced bread. How have you come to this conclusion when there are no consumer products available, have you seen these new 3D tv's with your own eyes?
Can you see into the future, or do you have a time machine? As you are so sure of the future can you post the winning numbers for next weekends lottery, thanks.
FLATSCREEN:Sony intends to lead this one, Howard Stringer have issued the battle calls,don't let anyone tell you its going to falter. Hollywood wants it as bad as Sky.
I'd respectfully suggest that Panasonic is ahead of Sony in this game, and that the reasons why Panasonic, Sony, Sky and the studios want this are much more to do with finding a way of increasing prices in a market where revenues are falling, and less to do with any altruistic desire to provide a better experience to the consumer.
I'd respectfully suggest that Panasonic is ahead of Sony in this game, and that the reasons why Panasonic, Sony, Sky and the studios want this are much more to do with finding a way of increasing prices in a market where revenues are falling, and less to do with any altruistic desire to provide a better experience to the consumer.
Flatscreen's posts are genuinely beyond comprehension. Then again, as Andrew pointed out, the last post by Flatscreen might be edited several times to make it almost comprehensible. The real question: is Flatscreen/Saw5Suffer actually a genius taking us all for a ride, or is his mind as intriguing and muddled a place as his posts suggest? Given his apparent love of the 'Saw' franchise, I suspect the latter...
One thing people have to understand is that there are only stories and interpretations. Who said what to who and when about what etc. Its just like Politics.
Hi Fi Journalist are no different to any other journalists working for a national paper, they report a story on a product rather than an event based on a disclosed sources. They don't own the sources and can be wrong and wrong footed.
What is the best TV and not so good are based on an interpretations of the facts.I may have my views but I have never profess they are the facts. So others an I don't believe the Philips are the best 32 and 42 inch.So what? I have my views and I'll decide what to spent my money on.
People say don't believe everything you read.....indeed Andrew, I don't.Its a case of making up ones mind from what one has seen, and no one have seen everything to do with anything linked to TVs and Hi Fis. All the action is in Japan and Korea..Infact What Hi fi should locate there to be closer to the heart of the industry.
Hard facts don't come easily these days....lots of speculation as life is about speculation. I find the reviews these days on Tvs to be heavily opininated like a cooking programme? Reading the online review of the Sony Z and the Philips 9664, I don't see how one is better than the other, as 5 stars are give. Incidentally,I rememebered in the 80s, there were reviewers like Alvin Gold, Yes I remember him. That was when the Japanese like Technics were building cinema/hi Fi combo amps but journalist felt then the combo amps for pure music and Home Cinema production wasn't the way forward. Where have we come to now? Difference of opinion.
I read Car magazines alot and with that scene there are What Car, EVO,Auto Car,Auto Express etc. They don't all review the same way but diversity of opinion is assured which is is lacking in the Hi Fi and video industry as the magazines are consolidate and competition is sniffed out.Sure they are all Haymarket publications, but there needs to be more variety like national dailies
So one magazine likes Denon amps the next say Pioneer. Its we the consumers that count, as we spent the money buying the goods. In the X factor, how often do the judges diagree with the audience? Many times as the 'twins Act' has split opinions.
Just because one works for a magazine your reviews aren't perfect. Neither is my ideas. We all take from others who wants headlines to be made. There are and I am not saying it is here, 'chequebook journalism'. and incentivised headline making linking to advertising revenues and all.
There are no absolute nth degree of facts on what is the best TV, which is the best 3D TV system, just what one thinks. I would say the same for my views.The Japanse once felt their HD analogue broadcast should be adopted by the world , but no and digital was preferred? See.That's how it is.
No magazine should have the complete authority on what and how something should be regarded or to imply or suggest they do.There needs to be more competition, we need to see a few more monthly glossy on Hi Fi and videos to get more of a neutral opinion just like the News.
Hi Fi Journalist are no different to any other journalists working for a national paper, they report a story on a product rather than an event based on a disclosed sources. They don't own the sources and can be wrong and wrong footed.
What is the best TV and not so good are based on an interpretations of the facts.I may have my views but I have never profess they are the facts. So others an I don't believe the Philips are the best 32 and 42 inch.So what? I have my views and I'll decide what to spent my money on.
People say don't believe everything you read.....indeed Andrew, I don't.Its a case of making up ones mind from what one has seen, and no one have seen everything to do with anything linked to TVs and Hi Fis. All the action is in Japan and Korea..Infact What Hi fi should locate there to be closer to the heart of the industry.
Hard facts don't come easily these days....lots of speculation as life is about speculation. I find the reviews these days on Tvs to be heavily opininated like a cooking programme? Reading the online review of the Sony Z and the Philips 9664, I don't see how one is better than the other, as 5 stars are give. Incidentally,I rememebered in the 80s, there were reviewers like Alvin Gold, Yes I remember him. That was when the Japanese like Technics were building cinema/hi Fi combo amps but journalist felt then the combo amps for pure music and Home Cinema production wasn't the way forward. Where have we come to now? Difference of opinion.
I read Car magazines alot and with that scene there are What Car, EVO,Auto Car,Auto Express etc. They don't all review the same way but diversity of opinion is assured which is is lacking in the Hi Fi and video industry as the magazines are consolidate and competition is sniffed out.Sure they are all Haymarket publications, but there needs to be more variety like national dailies
So one magazine likes Denon amps the next say Pioneer. Its we the consumers that count, as we spent the money buying the goods. In the X factor, how often do the judges diagree with the audience? Many times as the 'twins Act' has split opinions.
Just because one works for a magazine your reviews aren't perfect. Neither is my ideas. We all take from others who wants headlines to be made. There are and I am not saying it is here, 'chequebook journalism'. and incentivised headline making linking to advertising revenues and all.
There are no absolute nth degree of facts on what is the best TV, which is the best 3D TV system, just what one thinks. I would say the same for my views.The Japanse once felt their HD analogue broadcast should be adopted by the world , but no and digital was preferred? See.That's how it is.
No magazine should have the complete authority on what and how something should be regarded or to imply or suggest they do.There needs to be more competition, we need to see a few more monthly glossy on Hi Fi and videos to get more of a neutral opinion just like the News.
Dave_
Well-known member
FLATSCREEN:I play more games than probably anyone here as I am a young person doing my degree.
saw5suffer: Incidentally,I rememebered in the 80s, there were reviewers like Alvin Gold, Yes I remember him.
So which is it,FLATSCREEN/saw5suffer?
Or,is it a case of multiple personalities aswell as usernames?
saw5suffer: Incidentally,I rememebered in the 80s, there were reviewers like Alvin Gold, Yes I remember him.
So which is it,FLATSCREEN/saw5suffer?
Or,is it a case of multiple personalities aswell as usernames?
saw5suffer:All the action is in Japan and Korea..Infact What Hi fi should locate there to be closer to the heart of the industry.
Quite why I am dignifying this with a reply, I'm not sure, but pray tell me, saw5suffer/flatscreen, the young person who can remember Alvin's reviews of 30 years ago, when were you last in Japan or Korea talking to the people who actually make, design and market these products?
saw5suffer:Its a case of making up ones mind from what
one has seen, and no one have seen everything to do with anything
linked to TVs and Hi Fis.I was last in Korea at the end of last year, spending a week with LG's TV engineers and another week with Samsung's; and I was in Japan three weeks ago speaking to people from Panasonic, Sharp, Sony, Hitachi, Toshiba and more. And you were...?
It's called gathering enough information to give an informed opinion, based on experience of the industry, the ability to ask the right questions, and the competence to report on, and interpret, the information imparted, seeing through what those giving the opinion want you to write.
It's called journalism. It's what I do, and have been doing for almost as long as you can remember Alvin Gold's reviews when you are a young person spending most of your time playing video games when you probably should be studying for your degree, as you explained to us the other day.
saw5suffer:I read Car magazines alot and with that scene there are What Car,
EVO,Auto Car,Auto Express etc. They don't all review the same way but
diversity of opinion is assured which is is lacking in the Hi Fi and
video industry as the magazines are consolidate and competition is
sniffed out.Sure they are all Haymarket publications, but there needs
to be more variety like national dailies
Neither all the car magazines you mention nor all the hi-fi magazines are published by Haymarket. But hey, never let the facts get in the way of ill-informed opinion, huh?
saw5suffer:In the X
factor, how often do the judges diagree with the audience? Many times
as the 'twins Act' has split opinions.
Which has what to do with the price of fish?
saw5suffer:We all take from others who wants headlines to be
made. There are and I am not saying it is here, 'chequebook
journalism'. and incentivised headline making linking to advertising
revenues and all.
Before you start bringing up insinuations of 'chequebook journalism', at least do me the courtesy of going away and finding out what the term actually means, as it has no relevance to the points you are trying to make, or at least the points I think you are fumbling to make.
saw5suffer:we need to see a few more monthly glossy on Hi Fi and videos
to get more of a neutral opinion just like the News.
So go start one. Good luck. I promise I'll buy a copy.
Quite why I am dignifying this with a reply, I'm not sure, but pray tell me, saw5suffer/flatscreen, the young person who can remember Alvin's reviews of 30 years ago, when were you last in Japan or Korea talking to the people who actually make, design and market these products?
saw5suffer:Its a case of making up ones mind from what
one has seen, and no one have seen everything to do with anything
linked to TVs and Hi Fis.I was last in Korea at the end of last year, spending a week with LG's TV engineers and another week with Samsung's; and I was in Japan three weeks ago speaking to people from Panasonic, Sharp, Sony, Hitachi, Toshiba and more. And you were...?
It's called gathering enough information to give an informed opinion, based on experience of the industry, the ability to ask the right questions, and the competence to report on, and interpret, the information imparted, seeing through what those giving the opinion want you to write.
It's called journalism. It's what I do, and have been doing for almost as long as you can remember Alvin Gold's reviews when you are a young person spending most of your time playing video games when you probably should be studying for your degree, as you explained to us the other day.
saw5suffer:I read Car magazines alot and with that scene there are What Car,
EVO,Auto Car,Auto Express etc. They don't all review the same way but
diversity of opinion is assured which is is lacking in the Hi Fi and
video industry as the magazines are consolidate and competition is
sniffed out.Sure they are all Haymarket publications, but there needs
to be more variety like national dailies
Neither all the car magazines you mention nor all the hi-fi magazines are published by Haymarket. But hey, never let the facts get in the way of ill-informed opinion, huh?
saw5suffer:In the X
factor, how often do the judges diagree with the audience? Many times
as the 'twins Act' has split opinions.
Which has what to do with the price of fish?
saw5suffer:We all take from others who wants headlines to be
made. There are and I am not saying it is here, 'chequebook
journalism'. and incentivised headline making linking to advertising
revenues and all.
Before you start bringing up insinuations of 'chequebook journalism', at least do me the courtesy of going away and finding out what the term actually means, as it has no relevance to the points you are trying to make, or at least the points I think you are fumbling to make.
saw5suffer:we need to see a few more monthly glossy on Hi Fi and videos
to get more of a neutral opinion just like the News.
So go start one. Good luck. I promise I'll buy a copy.
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