jjbomber
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Same as me. I hardly ever use the Oppo for disc spinning. Great streamer and a couple of hard drives added. A real King of All Trades!
Bromiley
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Wil
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This 30 & 30n, I'll especially caution those interested to audition first and not buy blind based on brand-reputation.
From the following interview, Joel Sietsema who "leads Marantz" directed the set's goals, thus, 30n's Jack of All Trades capacity:
Previously, in its Because Music Matters era, Ken championed simplicity:
Brand's present slogan is Modern Musical Luxury, and this reviewer opined about some feature's subpar performance:
Master of None may become the quip…
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manicm
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Many all in ones do many things right. Marantz’s own amp/streamer PM7007N has garnered universal acclaim. The 30 pair at least totally seperates amplification completely - the amp has no digital inputs whatsoever.
So it seems that you want the pairing to fail. My guess is that your theory would be proved spectacularly wrong.
Surly Sid
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manicm
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Oh really? Do you realize Linn uses class D amps at least in their Selekt DSM products?
And furthermore, the Marantz Model 30 is not a class D amp.
Please do go on hating...
Wil
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Seeing your recent fervent defensive support, have you been "reached out" to promote these like him:
As to "PM7007N has garnered universal acclaim." Link us several proof, say 10 reputable examples.
Seems? "All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream?"
As to "PM7007N has garnered universal acclaim." Link us several proof, say 10 reputable examples.
Seems? "All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream?"
I think that you'll find it is Class D. No Marantz hater here as I adore my Ruby, (Class D), but this Model 30 is definitely going to be an acquired taste, moreso than their previous design methinks.
Well said, unfortunately it does have a Class D power amp section, it uses a SOTA Hypex Class D module, but personally I have no issues with that.
I would agree that early attempts at utilising class D modules left a lot to be desired but more recent implementation has produced some very good amplifiers and they are now used by many so called hi-end manufacturers.
I would hazard a guess that if you went for an audition of an amplifier that was well designed you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between it and a Class A/B amp.
you can tell the difference. Eg NAD M10 (Hypex) , Nord(hypex), Cyrus One Cast (Own class D) against say marantz pm7000n I tried. All of which I’ve tried. In fact Marantz sound is warmish in many of their amps atm.
But it’s all system matching and the change is slight and nuanced over A/B. Class D offers high damping factor - control of drivers, but the switching nature of the amp still requires the ability to deal with the noise that’s produced,equating to an often slightly treble edgy sound or expansive airy treble, which may not be everyone’s liking. That’s how I understand it. I think I still prefer class A/B done well but far from a deal breaker. The Hegel amps are terrific with sound engine tech which is a kind of hybrid design.
bigfish786
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i've had a quick look at a few youtube videos of the 30's and i agree they are going to divide opinion. I think Marantz are probably overdue a design refresh, as their components have looked very similar for well over ten years.
the family resemblance from early gear is noticeable, whether it will be a success we will just have to wait and see. it looks well constructed, where it sits in the line-up im unsure.
for me, i'll stick with my PM/SA14S1SE pair.
the family resemblance from early gear is noticeable, whether it will be a success we will just have to wait and see. it looks well constructed, where it sits in the line-up im unsure.
for me, i'll stick with my PM/SA14S1SE pair.
bigfish786
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Think your eyesight might be going just a little...
I'm normally a pretty good spotter with cars, but can't pin that one down.
I'm normally a pretty good spotter with cars, but can't pin that one down.
bigfish786
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Surly Sid
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Wil
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I'll briefly outline my perspective, updating the-cosmetic-look (and slogan also) is at heart new management's statement-of-change… but tapping back to heritage stylings so as to…
SE… then I'll link you KI's view on "importance of construction and design" for Class D to end.
You may have seen 30s internal photos? If not:
Would Ken have tuned their performance differently? As surely as he did for Rotel:
"Changes to the Rotel A11 for the Tribute edition include the replacement of all ten capacitors and two resistors to offer higher performance in the signal path of the amplifier stage.
Six capacitors were upgraded in the pre-amp, representing more than half of the components in the path, as well as all of the capacitors in the volume stage. Rotel has also added further insulation and custom dampening materials to the Class AB amp's mechanical chassis to reduce ringing."
www.whathifi.com
I've time-coded vid to start on Class D segment:
SE… then I'll link you KI's view on "importance of construction and design" for Class D to end.
You may have seen 30s internal photos? If not:
Would Ken have tuned their performance differently? As surely as he did for Rotel:
"Changes to the Rotel A11 for the Tribute edition include the replacement of all ten capacitors and two resistors to offer higher performance in the signal path of the amplifier stage.
Six capacitors were upgraded in the pre-amp, representing more than half of the components in the path, as well as all of the capacitors in the volume stage. Rotel has also added further insulation and custom dampening materials to the Class AB amp's mechanical chassis to reduce ringing."
Rotel launches Tribute hi-fi products designed by Ken Ishiwata
The late audio legend's final collaboration
www.whathifi.com
I've time-coded vid to start on Class D segment:
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