My Demo of AVI ADM 9s and 40s

[WinterRacer]

ok, standomount 2-way speakers from AVI are 1200 odd GBP. floorstanding 2-way speakers are 3000 GBP... all that for a few planks more of MDF and slightly more tweakable active xover, which will allow you to turn your 40s into 3-way speakers by adding matching subs (yet to come AFAIK). is AVI starting to loose its way? :?

Not when they sound as good as they do. The increased price is down to many things, not least the scanspeak drive units:

 

[atticus]

ok, standomount 2-way speakers from AVI are 1200 odd GBP. floorstanding 2-way speakers are 3000 GBP... all that for a few planks more of MDF and slightly more tweakable active xover, which will allow you to turn your 40s into 3-way speakers by adding matching subs (yet to come AFAIK). is AVI starting to loose its way? :?

Not when they sound as good as they do. The increased price is down to many things, not least the scanspeak drive units:

I understand that the drivers on the 40's are £300 each. The stand mounts do not use the same driver as the 40's.

 

[chebby]

I understand that the drivers on the 40's are £300 each. The stand mounts do not use the same driver as the 40's.

http://www.falconacoustics.co.uk/scanspeak-18wu-8747t00-woofer-illuminator-range.html

(assuming it's the 6.5" 8 ohm version)

 

[atticus]

ok, standomount 2-way speakers from AVI are 1200 odd GBP. floorstanding 2-way speakers are 3000 GBP... all that for a few planks more of MDF and slightly more tweakable active xover, which will allow you to turn your 40s into 3-way speakers by adding matching subs (yet to come AFAIK). is AVI starting to loose its way? :?

The standmounts are now £1250, but most people feel that they need the Subwoofer too. This is £800, bringing the package total to £2050.

Those that have compared the two feel that a Sub is not needed with the floorstanders. I chose these because I had made £5650 selling a system that probably cost me around £7500 and would still have money to spare. No point in buying the standmounts when a brand-new speaker was coming out. I had no reluctance in selling my system since the ADM40's easily outperformed it, and the 3k covered not only speakers, but amps and DACS too.

Quite simply, I was getting more Bang for my Buck.

 

[chebby]

I understand that the drivers on the 40's are £300 each. The stand mounts do not use the same driver as the 40's.

http://www.falconacoustics.co.uk/scanspeak-18wu-8747t00-woofer-illuminator-range.html

(assuming it's the 6.5" 8 ohm version)

Or maybe this one ?

http://www.wilmslow-audio.co.uk/scanspeak-illuminator-18wu-8741t00-689-p.asp

 

[Phileas]

I don't think there's any point trying to "deconstruct" the price of a pair of speakers.

The cost of the compoents in a typical "high-end" DAC, for example, is shockingly small.

If I were making speakers, I'd sell them for whatever price the market would bear, but maybe that's just me.

 

[John Duncan]

I understand that the drivers on the 40's are £300 each. The stand mounts do not use the same driver as the 40's.

http://www.falconacoustics.co.uk/scanspeak-18wu-8747t00-woofer-illuminator-range.html

(assuming it's the 6.5" 8 ohm version)

Or maybe this one ?

http://www.wilmslow-audio.co.uk/scanspeak-illuminator-18wu-8741t00-689-p.asp

Almakaatz (sp?) had the correct model numbers somewhere...

 

[Anonymous]

Is there a photo somewhere in this triathalon of a thread so i can see what all the fuss is about regarding these AVI doo-dahs.

Here you go, floyd droid

Ooh, that rug looks nice

 

[Alec]

The whole "best parts in the world" thing became a bit of an embarrassement a while ago now didn't it?

 

[atticus]

Is there a photo somewhere in this triathalon of a thread so i can see what all the fuss is about regarding these AVI doo-dahs.

Here you go, floyd droid

Ooh, that rug looks nice

Thank you, Max. We drove around the South West and Midlands looking for a suitable one. Started at Ikea Bristol, then to Frith Rugs near Swindon, then up to somewhere near Birmingham. Then we went back to Ikea Bristol and bought this one, which was the first one we had seen and liked on our initial visit that morning.

I still weep on it occasionally.

 

[matthewpiano]

I don't think there's any point trying to "deconstruct" the price of a pair of speakers.

The cost of the compoents in a typical "high-end" DAC, for example, is shockingly small.

If I were making speakers, I'd sell them for whatever price the market would bear, but maybe that's just me.

Yep. Its called business. Makes sense to me.

 

[steve_1979]

ok, standomount 2-way speakers from AVI are 1200 odd GBP. floorstanding 2-way speakers are 3000 GBP... all that for a few planks more of MDF and slightly more tweakable active xover, which will allow you to turn your 40s into 3-way speakers by adding matching subs (yet to come AFAIK) is AVI starting to loose its way?

There's a bit more to it than that.

These are (apparently) the best drivers available. They have 50% more linear travel than any other of its size because it has a short coil in a long gap. Normally this doesn't work satisfactorily because eddy currents are generated in the metalwork and if you do anything to reduce them, you lose flux and the damping factor is lowered. The Illuminators use neodymium in a unique way and ensure linear magnetic flux over considerable length of magnetic field.

The ADM40 back plate which holds the DAC, pre-amp, power-amp and all the other electronics is also better than on the ADM9's.

 

[oldric_naubhoff]

Quite simply, I was getting more Bang for my Buck.

I was not really arguing that you're not getting more bang for your buck. I'm fully on your side. what I'm arguing is that Avi's getting more bang for their buck with launch of 40s.

 

[gregvet]

Is there a photo somewhere in this triathalon of a thread so i can see what all the fuss is about regarding these AVI doo-dahs.

Here you go, floyd droid

Ooh, that rug looks nice

Is it just me, or are the speakers damn fugly?

Shame as I love the idea of them, and would have considered them as a second system if they looked better. Maybe I've been spoiled by my spender sa1's

Nice rug and cute kitty tho

 

[Anonymous]

Quite simply, I was getting more Bang for my Buck.

I was not really arguing that you're not getting more bang for your buck. I'm fully on your side. what I'm arguing is that Avi's getting more bang for their buck with launch of 40s.

Oldric, here's a little challenge for you

For a budget of £3k, what seperate componants would you put together that in your opinion, would sound great, floorstanding speakers, DAC, preamp and very powerful integrated amplifier?

 

[John Duncan]

Quite simply, I was getting more Bang for my Buck.

I was not really arguing that you're not getting more bang for your buck. I'm fully on your side. what I'm arguing is that Avi's getting more bang for their buck with launch of 40s.

Oldric, here's a little challenge for you

For a budget of £3k, what seperate componants would you put together that in your opinion, would sound great, floorstanding speakers, DAC, preamp and very powerful integrated amplifier?

Well all DACs sound the same so that's the easy bit...

 

[Anonymous]

Is there a photo somewhere in this triathalon of a thread so i can see what all the fuss is about regarding these AVI doo-dahs.

Here you go, floyd droid

Ooh, that rug looks nice

Thank you, Max. We drove around the South West and Midlands looking for a suitable one. Started at Ikea Bristol, then to Frith Rugs near Swindon, then up to somewhere near Birmingham. Then we went back to Ikea Bristol and bought this one, which was the first one we had seen and liked on our initial visit that morning.

I still weep on it occasionally.

I'll be in Dublin this week and they have a branch of IKEA (the only one in the Rebublic), i'll pop in there and have a gander, cheers...

 

[atticus]

Quite simply, I was getting more Bang for my Buck.

I was not really arguing that you're not getting more bang for your buck. I'm fully on your side. what I'm arguing is that Avi's getting more bang for their buck with launch of 40s.

I did not think that you were, oldric_naubhoff. I simply wanted to clarify what lay behind my thought process for those that were interested. But thank you anyway.

 

[Anonymous]

Quite simply, I was getting more Bang for my Buck.

I was not really arguing that you're not getting more bang for your buck. I'm fully on your side. what I'm arguing is that Avi's getting more bang for their buck with launch of 40s.

Oldric, here's a little challenge for you

For a budget of £3k, what seperate componants would you put together that in your opinion, would sound great, floorstanding speakers, DAC, preamp and very powerful integrated amplifier?

Well all DACs sound the same so that's the easy bit...

Correct.. But all drivers don't and the Scanspeaks are amongst the best, so at least a cheap DAC will mean more money for high quality speakers. I'm really looking forward to Oldric's suggestions

 

[atticus]

Is there a photo somewhere in this triathalon of a thread so i can see what all the fuss is about regarding these AVI doo-dahs.

Here you go, floyd droid

Ooh, that rug looks nice

Nice rug and cute kitty tho

Thank you, gregvet. The rug is from Ikea and I shall now be contacting them with regards to some commission. The cat's name is Oswald. On account of being found in Oswald Park in Gloucester. Not because of Oswald Moseley.

 

[floyd droid]

The plinths are integral, floyd droid.

There are even screw threads in the bottom should you want to attach spikes, although I am assured that this was an oversight on the part of the cabinet maker, TimberWorx. I attached some spikes but could not hear any difference so removed them again as the mem-sahib was complaining about holes in the carpet. Women, eh!? I put up with all her ruddy cushions everywhere........

If yer speeks are heavy enough and floor is pretty solid (concrete is good like mine) then spikes aint worth the faff. If a loudspeaker is made properly * it dosnt need spikes ,imo.

* Of course lots of em weigh about 2oz , and are about as stable as the most unstable wobbly thing you can think of. Then you need spikes and a breeze block on top.

 

[oldric_naubhoff]

hmmm, I could have sworn that the recent price hike of small AVIs was mainly due to upgraded drivers in them. some Scanspeaks IIRC... I'm sure people that frequent HDD forum could tell for sure, but isn't it true that small and big AVIs use the same tweeters now? and even if the drives in 40s are better (at least more expensive) the price difference should be somewhere around 100 GBP (as Chebby pointed out the high street price for the woofers oscillates around 200 GBP mark rather than 300 GBP, and I'm pretty much sure woofer on 9s wouldn't cost much less than 100 GBP, if only less). and don't get me started on differences in electronics parts costs. it's chips compared to drivers (and I'm serious about it. no hint of sarcasm what so ever). so, is the price difference really justifiable within reason? or maybe it's that AVI decided to launch a product on which they could finally earn some profit? well, all the better for current and future users of 9s.

:?

 

[oldric_naubhoff]

Is there a photo somewhere in this triathalon of a thread so i can see what all the fuss is about regarding these AVI doo-dahs.

Here you go, floyd droid

Ooh, that rug looks nice

Is it just me, or are the speakers damn fugly?

Shame as I love the idea of them, and would have considered them as a second system if they looked better. Maybe I've been spoiled by my spender sa1's

Nice rug and cute kitty tho

de gustibus non disputandum est!

hmmm, I could have sworn that the recent price hike of small AVIs was mainly due to upgraded drivers in them. some Scanspeaks IIRC... I'm sure people that frequent HDD forum could tell for sure, but isn't it true that small and big AVIs use the same tweeters now? and even if the drives in 40s are better (at least more expensive) the price difference should be somewhere around 100 GBP (as Chebby pointed out the high street price for the woofers oscillates around 200 GBP mark rather than 300 GBP, and I'm pretty much sure woofer on 9s wouldn't cost much less than 100 GBP, if only less). and don't get me started on differences in electronics parts costs. it's chips compared to drivers (and I'm serious about it. no hint of sarcasm what so ever). so, is the price difference really justifiable within reason? or maybe it's that AVI decided to launch a product on which they could finally earn some profit? well, all the better for current and future users of 9s.

:?

 

[Frank Harvey]

The ADM40 back plate which holds the DAC, pre-amp, power-amp and all the other electronics is also better than on the ADM9's.

So does the single transformer supply everything?

 

[Anonymous]

hmmm, I could have sworn that the recent price hike of small AVIs was mainly due to upgraded drivers in them. some Scanspeaks IIRC... I'm sure people that frequent HDD forum could tell for sure, but isn't it true that small and big AVIs use the same tweeters now? and even if the drives in 40s are better (at least more expensive) the price difference should be somewhere around 100 GBP (as Chebby pointed out the high street price for the woofers oscillates around 200 GBP mark rather than 300 GBP, and I'm pretty much sure woofer on 9s wouldn't cost much less than 100 GBP, if only less). and don't get me started on differences in electronics parts costs. it's chips compared to drivers (and I'm serious about it. no hint of sarcasm what so ever). so, is the price difference really justifiable within reason? or maybe it's that AVI decided to launch a product on which they could finally earn some profit? well, all the better for current and future users of 9s.

:?

Has AVI been losing money?

Are you going to take up my challenge and give us a suggestion of what you'd consider money better spent on a seperates sytem? That in your opinion, would sound great.