I would nominate Troutmask Replica and Metal Machine Music - both received with derision but showed what was possible by ignoring convention.
BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW said:
True and Hunky Dory I can't think of another track that sounds quite like Life On Mars so it's influence is zilch
Didn't think there'd be much consensus but no-one seems to disagree with Kraftwerk's influence.
How about lightening up the Christmas Party with
Benny Hill's Ernie (The fastest milkman in the west)? :wave:
Benny Hill's Ernie (The fastest milkman in the west)? :wave:
Clare Newsome said:
“...it was like he came along and whispered some dream in everybody’s ear, and somehow we all dreamed it.”
-Bruce Springsteen
“When I first heard Elvis' voice, I just knew that I wasn’t going to work for anybody; and nobody was going to be my boss...Hearing him for the first time was like busting out of jail.”
-Bob Dylan
“He was a unique artist - an original in an area of imitators.”
-Mick Jagger
“Before Elvis, there was nothing.”
-John Lennon
“There’ll never be another like that soul brother."
-James Brown
Oh, and that album cover has had influence, too - most notably:
And to prove that the pink and green typography is still influencing album cover design, i present this current horror - which I was unlucky enough to be subjected to a TV advert for last night:
chebby
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Cliff has always been my parent's generation of music. His first hits were almost twenty years before I became a teen. I don't think of him as anything much, other than a TV personality of the 1970s who also sang a bit.
Was he that influential? I always thought him a cheap, 'safe', 'knock-off', British Elvis copy who spent most of his subsequent career appealling to middle-aged women.
Was he that influential? I always thought him a cheap, 'safe', 'knock-off', British Elvis copy who spent most of his subsequent career appealling to middle-aged women.
The_Lhc
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Has everybody on the internet lost the ability to read?
He was a safe, British, Elvis knock off, Clare wasn't suggesting he was influential, but that the album cover font was clearly influenced by the Clash album cover, that's pretty clear if you actually read what she wrote.
chebby said:
He was a safe, British, Elvis knock off, Clare wasn't suggesting he was influential, but that the album cover font was clearly influenced by the Clash album cover, that's pretty clear if you actually read what she wrote.
chebby
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Sorry Clare. Just having a quick break in a very busy 'last day-off' before I start 7 days work tomorrow. Was concentrating more on cleaning windows, fitting a new roller blind and writing shopping list for last minute Christmas perishables. (On which subject, definitely no Cliff CDs!)
No problem. It's that time of year when reason goes out of the window! (It would have to, for anyone to buy that Cliff album...)
plastic penguin
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My eldest sister has always been a huge Cliff fan, but somehow I never shared the appeal. From artists of that generation I was more a The Who, Small Faces and Tamla person.
BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW said:C'mon, let's stop pussyfooting around, and say it like it is; Cliff is utter utter sh*te.
You forgot to mention he is a God bothering loon.
This is à tough question and certainly difficult to answer. In my opinion we should ask the musicians, producers, singers, songwriters.
but I like the idea that listeners around the world asked themselves, by who was i influenced in my music choice. It can give a nice debate on boring Christmas days. Be open for what others opinion and learn from people who know a little bit more about a certain artist.
wel we could thank the one who invented the records, the manufacturers who made it evolve.
For me personally I grew up with the following artist, try to keep this list with 10 in irregular order.
My influential artist.
Beatles
Queen
Eric Clapton
Rolling Stones
Simon and Garfunkel
Bruce Spingsteen
Dire Straits
Madonna
Michael Jakson
Underworld
as I re-read this list I indicate this list as mainstream. Then ask myself how and why? Answer: All were FM active and commercial plugged by the record companies. I was a radio listener and still am. My age? I'm from 1974.
With every song there Is a memory. Time, Place a Friend.
artist who are not on my list are not ruled out. They are not bad artists.
please artists make your own sound not the one the record company likes
but I like the idea that listeners around the world asked themselves, by who was i influenced in my music choice. It can give a nice debate on boring Christmas days. Be open for what others opinion and learn from people who know a little bit more about a certain artist.
wel we could thank the one who invented the records, the manufacturers who made it evolve.
For me personally I grew up with the following artist, try to keep this list with 10 in irregular order.
My influential artist.
Beatles
Queen
Eric Clapton
Rolling Stones
Simon and Garfunkel
Bruce Spingsteen
Dire Straits
Madonna
Michael Jakson
Underworld
as I re-read this list I indicate this list as mainstream. Then ask myself how and why? Answer: All were FM active and commercial plugged by the record companies. I was a radio listener and still am. My age? I'm from 1974.
With every song there Is a memory. Time, Place a Friend.
artist who are not on my list are not ruled out. They are not bad artists.
please artists make your own sound not the one the record company likes
manicm
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ebentjerodt said:
Sorry mate, for many, as much as some would hate to hear this, prog rock actually may have started with Days Of Future Passed. Just hear John Lodge's track Peak Hour on - it rocks more than anything on Court. John Lodge was in fact an excellent bass player with the Moodies first 7 albums, up there with any traditional rock player.
Don't get me wrong - I love both albums which are both great in their own way, I just think common wisdom sometimes is just wrong.
manicm
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BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW said:C'mon, let's stop pussyfooting around, and say it like it is; Cliff is utter utter sh*te.
I agree, but some of his singles like Devil Woman and Some People are insanely catchy. I've always wanted to hate bastards like him and Queen who broke the cultural boycott in South Africa, but gotta say the bastards had some good tunes. :doh:
Native_bon
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To me micheal Jackson.. Thiiler. Changed the way music video was made & first black artist to be featured on MTV. Broke down barriers!!
manicm
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Native_bon said:
I love MJ, well up to and including Bad - I found his later stuff meh. Yes he was insanely successful, but don't think his musical influence was great. Except of-course, his videos - that really started the music video revolution. But note too, Peter Gabriel already had a few great videos for his third album in 1982 before Thriller.
manicm said:BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW said:C'mon, let's stop pussyfooting around, and say it like it is; Cliff is utter utter sh*te.
I agree, but some of his singles like Devil Woman and Some People are insanely catchy. I've always wanted to hate bastards like him and Queen who broke the cultural boycott in South Africa, but gotta say the bastards had some good tunes. :doh:
I really hate Queen, always have, always will, and when they (well 2 of them) played at Nelson Mandella's birthday concert, I was beyond livid.
Who the f*ck thought it was a good idea to invite them?
marou
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Easy to knock Cliff but he was the first proper UK rock'n'roller - Move It is arguably the most influential record produced in this country.
GnR where promoted hair metal at the time , they had some good tunes but lets be honest they where just as shite as the Dogs d' amour and faster pussycat
manicm said:
I'm glad to see Michael and Thriller finally get mentioned.Though I completely disagree with the the notion that his musical influence was not far reaching. Do you listen to modern pop music?
Allow me to quote myself from back at the end of page 8 in this thread:
Me from page 8 said:
manicm
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Ajani said:
I don't think he directly influenced any artists directly - it would be pretty difficult anyway as all 3 of his major albums i.e. Off The Wall, Thriller and Bad were already amalgams of Pop, Soul, Rock and lite-metal (Beat It, Dirty Diana). He just packaged it very well with great help from Quincy Jones. Also remember that by 1983, the Commodores/Lionel Ritchie were also huge - and they had their own sound.
Stevie Wonder was the real influence on so many soul/RnB/Hip Hop artists.
MJ was deservedly and outrageously successful - but let's not overstate things here as far as musical influence goes.
manicm said:
Clearly we disagree on the term "influence" in the context of this thread.
I believe this small list from wikipedia is just the artists that have directly cited MJ as an influence:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artists_influenced_by_Michael_Jackson
If the question is whether MJ created POP, Rock or Soul, then clearly not... but so many artists grew up wanting to be him and hence cite him as an influence.. and you can see his influence in the way they sing, dance and even shoot music videos...
And we haven't even discussed his Jackson 5 and Jacksons days... Let's remember that MJ was a massive star from his early childhood... His impact didn't start with Off The Wall.
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