Most influential recording, and why.

[JoelSim]

What has Syd Barrett got to do with it. No-one mentioned him except for you and whether he was responsible or not, the band that is PF created some ground-breaking stuff.

It appears to me that whole genres of music have been inspired by the likes of Pink Floyd, from rock to chillout.

 

[JoelSim]

Surely it has to be the Floyd albums. We will never see the likes of them again in the mainstream simply due to the way music is consumed these days.

I would have thought that would imply that their influence has been rather shortlived then wouldn't it?

Not really, you could argue that the whole dance music mixing tunes into one another was partly inspired by the journies of those albums.

 

[chebby]

Taking the thread title literally, then the most influential recordings ever were probably those made on the original Edison Phonograph and Berliner Gramophone systems.

 

[manicm]

On the contrary, Waters-era Floyd may have been more influential than you ever could imagine. Over a decade ago I listened to Prodigy's Music For A Jilted Generation, and the first half reminded me wholly of Echoes - way past the time Barrett left.

Also, if you listen to the synthesisers on Welcome To The Machine (Wish You Were Here) - well I'm sure the synth riff at the end has been copied countless times.

It's been very fashionable to write off Waters as a grumpy old fart - thanks to half-witted rags like Uncut et al, but their 4 major records in the 70s are impossible to ignore.

Also, I agree with Chebby that without Stevie Wonder, RnB acts like Beyonce would be nowhere today. On that note I may be buying my first Beyonce album - her very latest CD is apparently excellent.

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

What has Syd Barrett got to do with it.

:roll:

It appears to me that whole genres of music have been inspired by the likes of Pink Floyd, from rock to chillout.

Are you saying rock music didn't exist before Pink Floyd?

 

[hammill]

So because a small section of one Kraftwerk track sounds vaguely like a small section of a Pink Floyd track, they were influenced by them?

Have you got any quotations from any of these bands saying they were inspired by post-Barrett Pink Floyd?

A bit of proof would be good.

Not exactly proof but best I can find

"Queen II was recorded at Trident Studios[/b] in August 1973, chiefly produced by Roy Baker, chiefly engineered by Mike Stone (Father to Son andSeven Seas of Rhye being notable exceptions) and released on 8th March 1974. Freddie Mercury was the album's chief composer, lyricist and arranger. It was a moderate commercial success and their first release ever to be No 1 somewhere (Belgium, to be precise). The album was massively popular amongst fans, band members, crew and other musicians.

While not by any means a concept record, it's arranged by 'blocks' of tracks by the same songwriter, a concept which is similar to (and possibly inspired by) Pink Floyd's Ummagumma. In fact there's a lot of Pink Floyd on this record: compare Procession with Speak to Me, basically the same intro. It's worth mentioning that, by the time Queen II was being recorded, Dark Side of the Moon was a huge commercial success in Britain. Pink Floyd were one of the few bands all Queen members seemed to be quite fond of; Deacon, May and Taylor mentioned them in interviews over the years, and Mercury's driver/PA confirmed they were one of the groups he used to listen while being chauffered."

 

[jcbrum]

I reckon generally that Katie Melua stuff is well recorded and mastered. I often use 'Stardust' as an equipment evaluation track, as well as it being a favourite song.

JC

 

[The_Lhc]

Surely it has to be the Floyd albums. We will never see the likes of them again in the mainstream simply due to the way music is consumed these days.

I would have thought that would imply that their influence has been rather shortlived then wouldn't it?

Not really, you could argue that the whole dance music mixing tunes into one another was partly inspired by the journies of those albums.

You could argue anything you want but that doesn't mean you'd be right. Anyway, He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named invented DJ mixing, everyone knows that.

 

[manicm]

What has Syd Barrett got to do with it.

:roll:

It appears to me that whole genres of music have been inspired by the likes of Pink Floyd, from rock to chillout.

Are you saying rock music didn't exist before Pink Floyd?

Don't recall anybody saying that - but I believe Waters-era Floyd definitely had an impact on the ambient electronic scene. Expand your horizons beyond Barrett, and listen to Echoes and Wish You Were Here, apart from the ubiquitous DSOTM, and you'll know what I mean.

Waters may have been a grump, but he was a hugely talented grump, no matter what the idiots at Uncut say.

 

[hammill]

So because a small section of one Kraftwerk track sounds vaguely like a small section of a Pink Floyd track, they were influenced by them?

Have you got any quotations from any of these bands saying they were inspired by post-Barrett Pink Floyd?

A bit of proof would be good.

MOJO: Was there an affinity with others in the rock avant-garde like Pink Floyd?

Ralf Hütter: Absolutely. We would listen to Beethoven, Pink Floyd, and many different musics from all fields, from the rock field, the avant-garde, the classical, from street sounds, from the environment, from nature even. They were one column of cultural energy among many on our musical landscape.

 

[chebby]

More often than not it was individual producers who were more influential than any single recording or band.

Look up Chis Blackwell as a notable example.

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

Expand your horizons beyond Barrett, and listen to Echoes and Wish You Were Here, apart from the ubiquitous DSOTM, and you'll know what I mean.

I have Wish You Were Here, and just played the end synth section, sounded nice, but can't see that it was groundbreaking.

Waters may have been a grump, but he was a hugely talented grump, no matter what the idiots at Uncut say.

I'm not anti-Pink Floyd, I'm not anti-Waters, and I respect Gilmour as a technically good guitarist, I just find his music a bit dull.

 

[BigH]

So because a small section of one Kraftwerk track sounds vaguely like a small section of a Pink Floyd track, they were influenced by them?

Have you got any quotations from any of these bands saying they were inspired by post-Barrett Pink Floyd?

A bit of proof would be good.

Well you can search the internet if you have time, here is one "The Edge stands out with his shimmering, minimalist guitar inspired by the wizardry of Pink Floyd and Television" there are several references to the Edge being influenced by PF, 1 after hearing Dogs on Animals.

 

[hammill]

So because a small section of one Kraftwerk track sounds vaguely like a small section of a Pink Floyd track, they were influenced by them?

Have you got any quotations from any of these bands saying they were inspired by post-Barrett Pink Floyd?

A bit of proof would be good.

Radiohead performing cover of Wish You Were Here, which is certainly post-Barrett, although it is about him

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc="s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&ved=0CFQQtwIwBg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DzhPAcKzZKcA&ei=qr-xUr-fB7GS7AbZoICQDg&usg=AFQjCNGh9JxsVk5mwEhRHda1dfM5AQF1RQ&sig2=pfzm1qJERrY301h5KddQCQ&bvm=bv.58187178,d.ZGU"

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

So because a small section of one Kraftwerk track sounds vaguely like a small section of a Pink Floyd track, they were influenced by them?

Have you got any quotations from any of these bands saying they were inspired by post-Barrett Pink Floyd?

A bit of proof would be good.

MOJO: Was there an affinity with others in the rock avant-garde like Pink Floyd?

Ralf Hütter: Absolutely. We would listen to Beethoven, Pink Floyd, and many different musics from all fields, from the rock field, the avant-garde, the classical, from street sounds, from the environment, from nature even. They were one column of cultural energy among many on our musical landscape.

Sounds like a polite German trying not to disrespect a Pink Floyd obsessed journalist to me. The words were put in his mouth, so would he have mentioned PF if the journalist hadn't mentioned them? I doubt it.

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

Radiohead performing cover of Wish You Were Here, which is certainly post-Barrett, although it is about him

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc="s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&ved=0CFQQtwIwBg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DzhPAcKzZKcA&ei=qr-xUr-fB7GS7AbZoICQDg&usg=AFQjCNGh9JxsVk5mwEhRHda1dfM5AQF1RQ&sig2=pfzm1qJERrY301h5KddQCQ&bvm=bv.58187178,d.ZGU"

Fair enough.

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

There are a lot of Pink Floyd fans on here aren't there? :shifty:

 

[manicm]

Didn't say it was groundbreaking, but it was probably copied several times. Welcome To The Machine was actually quite innovative, mixing acoustic with electronics and classical percussion. And it's acknowledged that 70s Floyd definitely had an influence on the electronic scene.

Many bands that on the surface weren't influential ended up being copied. Inarguably Billy Jean ripped off the beat off Steely Dan's Do It Again. And Tears For Fears' Mad World ripped off Cat Stevens' Matthew And Son.

Bob Dylan may have been the most influential in the 60s/early 70s - Springsteen cites him as a direct influence, and so did the Beatles after the two met. To be honest

And I loved all these artists.

Funnily someone here said it's obvious Sgt Pepper's would be cited as a huge influence. But then Pet Sounds could equally qualify, if not more so, as it was released a year earlier.

 

[BigH]

So because a small section of one Kraftwerk track sounds vaguely like a small section of a Pink Floyd track, they were influenced by them?

Have you got any quotations from any of these bands saying they were inspired by post-Barrett Pink Floyd?

A bit of proof would be good.

MOJO: Was there an affinity with others in the rock avant-garde like Pink Floyd?

Ralf Hütter: Absolutely. We would listen to Beethoven, Pink Floyd, and many different musics from all fields, from the rock field, the avant-garde, the classical, from street sounds, from the environment, from nature even. They were one column of cultural energy among many on our musical landscape.

Sounds like a polite German trying not to disrespect a Pink Floyd obsessed journalist to me. The words were put in his mouth, so would he have mentioned PF if the journalist hadn't mentioned them? I doubt it.

Well amybe but if you listen to parts of Autobahn it sounds almost the same as On the Run. Maybe thats not influenced thats copying?

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

Back to influential recordings.

This was from 1972 and seem to inspire lots of artists. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neu!

 

[manicm]

Radiohead performing cover of Wish You Were Here, which is certainly post-Barrett, although it is about him

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc="s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&ved=0CFQQtwIwBg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DzhPAcKzZKcA&ei=qr-xUr-fB7GS7AbZoICQDg&usg=AFQjCNGh9JxsVk5mwEhRHda1dfM5AQF1RQ&sig2=pfzm1qJERrY301h5KddQCQ&bvm=bv.58187178,d.ZGU"

The song Wish You Were Here was not specifically about Syd - that was Shine On. 'Two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl' - Waters probably meant himself and Gilmour - it was just a lament about their newfound fame and stardom.

 

[manicm]

There are a lot of Pink Floyd fans on here aren't there? :shifty:

Not necessarily, but as you would have guessed we are a defensive bunch :rofl:

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

Well amybe but if you listen to parts of Autobahn it sounds almost the same as On the Run. Maybe thats not influenced thats copying?

I've listened, and I'm not buying that. You could only do so many things with early synths, that kind of effect is just one of the things they could do.

If you want to listen something amazing, listen to the theme from Dr Who from 1963, now that is influential and ahead of it's time.

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

There are a lot of Pink Floyd fans on here aren't there? :shifty:

Not necessarily, but as you would have guessed we are a defensive bunch :rofl:

I knew what I was letting myself in for I can assure you, and I'll repeat, I'm not anti-Pink Floyd, but I prefer the psychedelic pop of "See Emily Play", to the pomp of "Shine On You Crazy Diamond".

 

[manicm]

Don't agree with you here BigBernard - the VCS3 was a newish synth at the time - 4 years old as at Dark Side. And On The Run WAS particularly innovative, as the effects were not all done on the synth, but by using techniques like tape splicing and looping etc. as well.