Mains Cable & Block Upgrade advise

[Anonymous]

[quote user="professorhat"][quote user="Keith McAlpine"]This forum is rigorously monitored by Mr E for any hint of an insult in my posts. I can assure you that only insults directed at me are allowed to remain.[/quote]

Sorry if you feel I'm insulting you - that's really not my intention. My intention is to show other people who read your posts that you claim to know changing power leads / interconnects etc. will make no difference to sound output when you have openly admitted that you have never actually listened to the difference (here if you need reminding).

It just seems to me, I would actually want to put my theory to the test before making such bold claims!
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It's only about as bold as stating the moon isn't made of cheese.

 

[Anonymous]

[quote user="JoelSim"]Do you use bell wire then Keith?[/quote]

Yes, I have some on my bell.

 

[JoelSim]

Do you use fancy interconnects or speaker cable? Or is it a case of 5m of the cheapest cable you have sir?

 

[John Duncan]

[quote user="Keith McAlpine"][quote user="JohnDuncan"]I'd just like to clarify that my statement "Though to be fair, playing 78s in mono, he probably has a point that mains cables and interconnects won't make a difference." contained no irony or sarcasm, I actually meant that, with no offence intended.[/quote]

No worries, no offence taken John. Believe it or not I also have a CD player. Woo hoo![/quote]

 

[John Duncan]

[quote user="JohnDuncan"][quote user="Keith McAlpine"][quote user="JohnDuncan"]I'd just like to clarify that my statement "Though to be fair, playing 78s in mono, he probably has a point that mains cables and interconnects won't make a difference." contained no irony or sarcasm, I actually meant that, with no offence intended.[/quote]

No worries, no offence taken John. Believe it or not I also have a CD player. Woo hoo![/quote]

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Just imagine how good it would sound if you didn't have it going through that cr-p interconnect it came with!

 

[Andrew Everard]

[quote user="Keith McAlpine"]It's only about as bold as stating the moon isn't made of cheese.[/quote]

Ah now this time I really have got you...

 

[professorhat]

Marvellous!

 

[Anonymous]

[quote user="Keith McAlpine"]
I don't have an interference problem, if I did I would hear it.
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Are you sure you would hear it? Mightn't it not affect things more subtly than that?

 

[Anonymous]

[quote user="jimwall"][quote user="Keith McAlpine"]
I don't have an interference problem, if I did I would hear it.
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Are you sure you would hear it? Mightn't it not affect things more subtly than that?
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I'll take the risk.

 

[Anonymous]

No really, when how would you know about it? I mean if it were just some level of distortion you might not notice until it was removed might you. So how do you know you haven't got an interference problem, have you measured it?

 

[Anonymous]

[quote user="jimwall"]
No really, when how would you know about it? I mean if it were just some level of distortion you might not notice until it was removed might you. So how do you know you haven't got an interference problem, have you measured it?
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Things that make you go hmmmm again.

 

[Anonymous]

[quote user="Keith McAlpine"][quote user="jimwall"]
No really, when how would you know about it? I mean if it were just some level of distortion you might not notice until it was removed might you. So how do you know you haven't got an interference problem, have you measured it?
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Things that make you go hmmmm again.[/quote]

Don't really understand if you're being cryptic or smug here. Regardless, you fail to answer the question. Please do.
The tests that have been done on this subject - two I have found - are well meaning but fundamentally flawed. Really fundamentally unfortunately. I would really really like to see a proper controlled test now, but it's a complicated thing to do. Needs signal generators and oscilloscopes and all sorts to do it properly. Shouldn't be beyond the wit of man but I don't have the facilities myself. Which is a shame. As far as I'm concerned the jury is still out.

 

[Anonymous]

[quote user="JoelSim"]Do you use fancy interconnects or speaker cable? Or is it a case of 5m of the cheapest cable you have sir?[/quote]

I'm using 6mm. stranded copper stuff from Ebay on the speakers and a Cambridge phono lead on the CD.

 

[Anonymous]

[quote user="jimwall"][quote user="Keith McAlpine"][quote user="jimwall"]
No really, when how would you know about it? I mean if it were just some level of distortion you might not notice until it was removed might you. So how do you know you haven't got an interference problem, have you measured it?
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Things that make you go hmmmm again.[/quote]

Don't really understand if you're being cryptic or smug here. Regardless, you fail to answer the question. Please do.

The tests that have been done on this subject - two I have found - are well meaning but fundamentally flawed. Really fundamentally unfortunately. I would really really like to see a proper controlled test now, but it's a complicated thing to do. Needs signal generators and oscilloscopes and all sorts to do it properly. Shouldn't be beyond the wit of man but I don't have the facilities myself. Which is a shame. As far as I'm concerned the jury is still out.
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I would like the efficacy of mains conditioners to be tested and compared using a high powered RF source to simulate a worst case interference scenario but I tend not to worry about things I'm not suffering from. Life's too short.

 

[Anonymous]

[quote user="Keith McAlpine"]I would like the efficacy of mains conditioners to be tested and compared using a high powered RF source to simulate a worst case interference scenario but I tend not to worry about things I'm not suffering from. Life's too short.[/quote]
Agreed, but you still haven't told us how you know you're not suffering from it? I accept (trivially) that "what you don't know can't hurt you" applies in this case (even if quite often in life what you don't know can actually hurt you quite a lot). But I am interested to know how you know. I didn't know that my old stereo sounded rubbish until some cruel swine demonstrated something (much) better. You have asserted in the past that you would be able to hear it if you turned the volume up between tracks but I'm not actually convinced that you would. (I'm not convinced you wouldn't either however as real world amplifiers are more complicated than the simple little things we tend to learn about at school.) Your comments/thoughts on this welcome.

edit - mid-track replaced by between tracks.

 

[Anonymous]

[quote user="jimwall"]you still haven't told us how you know you're not suffering from it[/quote]

I'll have a good long listen and get back to you. :O)

 

[hifikrazy]

For goodness sake, will this Oldphrt/McAlpine quit his one man crusade already??!! He obviously does not have a life and thrives on provoking people into responding to him. Frankly, it would be a lot more productive if we treat him as if he doesn't even exist.

 

[Anonymous]

[quote user="hifikrazy"]For goodness sake, will this Oldphrt/McAlpine quit his one man crusade already??!! He obviously does not have a life and thrives on provoking people into responding to him. Frankly, it would be a lot more productive if we treat him as if he doesn't even exist.[/quote]

You say the nicest things. (blush)

 

[hifikrazy]

Best example of an Internet Troll I've come across.

 

[Anonymous]

[quote user="hifikrazy"]Best example of an Internet Troll I've come across.[/quote]

I see you've wasted your money on mains leads. Mug.

 

[John Duncan]

[quote user="Keith McAlpine"][quote user="hifikrazy"]Best example of an Internet Troll I've come across.[/quote]

I see you've wasted your money on mains leads. Mug.[/quote]

Gentlemen, gentlemen. Here we welcome those of all faiths (and none). Let he who is without good interconnects etc etc.

 

[Anonymous]

[quote user="Keith McAlpine"][quote user="jimwall"]you still haven't told us how you know you're not suffering from it[/quote]

I'll have a good long listen and get back to you. :O)[/quote]

Guess you don't know then.
I'd have expected somebody with such great technical awareness to at least comment on whether or not you'd hear the noise for a class A or B amplifier.

 

[Andrew Everard]

[quote user="jimwall"]Guess you don't know then.

I'd have expected somebody with such great technical awareness to at least comment on whether or not you'd hear the noise for a class A or B amplifier.[/quote]

No sorry, my fault - got bored with his insults and canned him. Again.

He'll no doubt be back under another new name yet again - he just can't resist us...

 

[Anonymous]

Look Andrew - How on Earth am I ever going to get to Rank 1 Poster status without him to wind me up???????
Give a geek a break please!

 

[Thaiman]

I try not to read this sort of threads anymore but not much else going on today....Kieth is on form by the look of thing and where is Anton gone??