Isolda DCT

[gpi]

[quote user="Anton90125"][quote user="gpi"]Thanks for your explanation of what a bargain is, I'd forgotten. You have misunderstood what I didn't agree with but never mind now, life is too short.[/quote]

No Thank you, I must be better then I thought since I didn't intend to define what a bargain was- in fact I still cant find where I am explaining what a bargain is.

All I was actually politely trying to say is I didn't get the relevance of your bargain with regards to people spending lots of money (and creating big dents in their bank balance) on high performance hifi to get that little bit extra.

Those very same people generally feel the bank balance dents as being justifiable because of the enjoyment they get from their system.

[quote user="gpi"]Not on your bank balance anyway. Wink [/quote]

From this (with regard to a positive Isolda performance) I interpreted that you feel the performance (have you actually heard the difference it makes?) dosn't justify the cost (thinly hidden in a wink).

[quote user="Anton90125"]That true of hifi in general,how you rate the dent in your balance will be a function of how much you value the fidelity of your sound system. Incidentally, I got my cable SH on Ebay. If I was to sell it again I doubt that I would make a loss.[/quote]

This simply made the obvious statement that cost for performance is a personal thing and this hifi lark is a costly thing ( the occasional subjective bargain notwithstanding). People who enjoy hifi except this more then people who don't. If we didn't we'd all be buying music centres and there whould be no hifi industry. The nature of the beast.

I may be wrong but from various other postings you have made in different treads, it would seem that you are not subscriber to cable performance being a variable. In that context your comment " Not on your bank balance anyway" then becomes a thinly veiled attack on the actual performance of Isolda cable (again have you tested it?) and those who DO subscribe to cable performance being an integral of hifi.

Despite how long we have to live,I would welcome you explaining where/what I have misunderstood. Who knows I might owe you an apology
.[/quote]

Christ you're persistent.

Life is too short for these meaningless debates that go round in circles and I've said before on fora, discussions like this are hardly ever resolved due to the nature of the communication.

OK, here goes. I have highlighted your words again as what you said implies (to me) only people with a lot of money value the high fidelity of their system. It suggests someone like me, who doesn't have a big budget to spend on hi-fi, does not value the fidelity of their system. That assumption is what I disagreed with. Also, I did not say I was satisfied with my cheap speaker purchase and it is the beyond all and end all of my hi-fi aspirations. I only used that as an example of how you don't need to spend a great deal to get good fidelity. Maybe it's the way I read it; I do have a habit of taking what people say literally, even though it may not be what they actually meant to say.

 

[Anton90125]

[quote user="gpi"]only people with a lot of money value the high fidelity of their system. It suggests someone like me, who doesn't have a big budget to spend on hi-fi, does not value the fidelity of their system.[/quote]

I see where you are coming from but I don't think your interpretation is that literal simply because my statement is so general. The only assumption is the one made by you. Let me ask you this: why would people spend many thousands of pounds on high end equipment if it was not to get a better level of fidelity? This is the core of my statement. not people who have small budgets don't value their fidelity of their system. let me put it another way-not everone with an expensive system is that rich.I know several people who have spent a significant %age of their income on hifi. May be this is financially foolish,it not for me to say. but it does happen because they want more out of their system.

Still bargains aside, hifi is an expensive game, even the so called budget end. You could put together a budget system for £300+ pounds. Thats still £300 when you could go to Curreys and pick up an all in one for £50. Us hifi people DO value the fidelity of their system. Some of us value those small extra %points of increased fidelity to incur massively damaged bank balances. This brings us back to your "Not on your bank balance anyway" statement (the start of this mini thread) which to me implied that the only differences lie there only, not in the virtues of the Isolda cable.

Yes I can be persistent. Now you can't start a debate, then call it meaningless when someone challengers your assumptions.

 

[Andrew Everard]

[quote user="Anton90125"]Now you can't start a debate, then call it meaningless when someone challengers your assumptions.[/quote]

...because, gpi, that wouldn't be arguing.

 

[Anonymous]

[quote user="gpi"]
Not on your bank balance anyway.

[/quote]

.......call me a cynic, but i'm noticing a slight pattern to the appearance of these kind of comments. Anton mate, you're a much nicer guy than me........i would have just ignored this........and referred to my previous "open mouth and engage brain" statement...........maybe certain folk should read the recent "how to make a good/bad thread" again

 

[gpi]

[quote user="Anton90125"][quote user="gpi"]only people with a lot of money value the high fidelity of their system. It suggests someone like me, who doesn't have a big budget to spend on hi-fi, does not value the fidelity of their system.[/quote]

I see where you are coming from but I don't think your interpretation is that literal simply because my statement is so general. The only assumption is the one made by you. Let me ask you this: why would people spend many thousands of pounds on high end equipment if it was not to get a better level of fidelity? This is the core of my statement. not people who have small budgets don't value their fidelity of their system. let me put it another way-not everone with an expensive system is that rich.I know several people who have spent a significant %age of their income on hifi. May be this is financially foolish,it not for me to say. but it does happen because they want more out of their system.

Still bargains aside, hifi is an expensive game, even the so called budget end. You could put together a budget system for £300+ pounds. Thats still £300 when you could go to Curreys and pick up an all in one for £50. Us hifi people DO value the fidelity of their system. Some of us value those small extra %points of increased fidelity to incur massively damaged bank balances. This brings us back to your "Not on your bank balance anyway" statement (the start of this mini thread) which to me implied that the only differences lie there only, not in the virtues of the Isolda cable.

Yes I can be persistent. Now you can't start a debate, then call it meaningless when someone challengers your assumptions.
[/quote]

My final words on this subject are:

As soon as you assumed that I was perfectly happy with my cheap little speakers and therefore did not aspire to anything better, as you implied in this quote:

There are people who would spend huge amounts of money (big dents in their bank balance) to get that extra bit of sonic resolution while others (like yourself) are satisfied with less.

It became a straw man argument to me as I believe you misunderstood my point. Please stop explaining what a bargain is or that spending more money gives one a better system. I know all that.

Let me ask you this: why would people spend many thousands of pounds on high end equipment if it was not to get a better level of fidelity?

Beats me. Maybe they have a great deal of disposable income and not much common sense?

May be this is financially foolish,it not for me to say. but it does happen because they want more out of their system.

It is possible to become irrationally obsessed with this hobby. I knew someone with an average job who had the cost equivalent of two new family saloons in his small living room. If there was a tweak to be made, he would make it, regardless of cost. In my view this is ludicrous and a complete waste of time, money and effort.

This brings us back to your "Not on your bank balance anyway" statement (the start of this mini thread) which to me implied that the only differences lie there only, not in the virtues of the Isolda cable.

You're spot on with that assumption. I think most members will have grasped my view on cables by now. You asked earlier if I had tried this Isolda DCT cable. Put it this way, if someone offered it to me to try I wouldn't bother, it wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference to me. Granted it probably looks impressive though. Now, if someone produced firm, irrefutable evidence that this cable would noticeably improve my system, I would try it.

 

[Anton90125]

[quote user="gpi"]Please stop explaining what a bargain[/quote]

Where have explaned what a bargain is ???

[quote user="gpi"]Please stop explaining......spending more money gives one a better system. I know all that.[/quote]

A bit difficult that,since it is the core of my initial comment,of which you disagreed with.

[quote user="gpi"]Put it this way, if someone offered it to me to try I wouldn't bother,[/quote]

So much for science and discovery. You are quite happy to give your opinion about something (Isolda) which you know absolutely nothing about.

[quote user="gpi"]Now, if someone produced firm, irrefutable evidence that this cable would noticeably improve my system, I would try it.[/quote]

This is quite funny. You'd believe a piece of paper but not your ears (I am assuming (Uh that nasty word) that you'd not even blind test).

[quote user="gpi"]
As soon as you assumed that I was perfectly happy with my cheap little speakers and therefore did not aspire to anything better, as you implied in this quote:[/quote]

Well can you blame me:

[quote user="gpi"]
I bought a pair of JPW Sonata's for £15.00, which are marvelous little sealed box bookshelf speakers. I have bought many more hi-fi bargains too over the years.[/quote]

In the context of what you were replying to and the actual wording, you don't think that was a reasonable conclusion?

[quote user="gpi"]
Beats me. Maybe they have a great deal of disposable income and not much common sense?[/quote]

[quote user="gpi"]
It is possible to become irrationally obsessed with this hobby. [/quote]

Ooo err!

[quote user="gpi"]
You're spot on with that assumption. I think most members will have grasped my view on cables by now.[/quote]
In which case why don't you re£frain from posting ANY comments on treads which involve constructive cable debates.

 

[gpi]

You show me a constructive cable debate and I'll refrain (doesn't need the hyphen) from posting on it. They are called 'threads' by the way, not 'treads'.

As far as trying cables is concerned, what has science and discovery got to do with it? Do you mean this Isolda is made from new materials I haven't heard about? Has it been patented then? I don't need to try this cable before forming an opinion on it, the same way I would do about buying a car or anything else. I use my logic and common sense which I find sufficient. It is up to you to persuade me it will noticeably improve my system. Go on then.

 

[drummerman]

[quote user="gpi"][quote user="Anton90125"][quote user="gpi"]only people with a lot of money value the high fidelity of their system. It suggests someone like me, who doesn't have a big budget to spend on hi-fi, does not value the fidelity of their system.[/quote]
I see where you are coming from but I don't think your interpretation is that literal simply because my statement is so general. The only assumption is the one made by you. Let me ask you this: why would people spend many thousands of pounds on high end equipment if it was not to get a better level of fidelity? This is the core of my statement. not people who have small budgets don't value their fidelity of their system. let me put it another way-not everone with an expensive system is that rich.I know several people who have spent a significant %age of their income on hifi. May be this is financially foolish,it not for me to say. but it does happen because they want more out of their system.

Still bargains aside, hifi is an expensive game, even the so called budget end. You could put together a budget system for £300+ pounds. Thats still £300 when you could go to Curreys and pick up an all in one for £50. Us hifi people DO value the fidelity of their system. Some of us value those small extra %points of increased fidelity to incur massively damaged bank balances. This brings us back to your "Not on your bank balance anyway" statement (the start of this mini thread) which to me implied that the only differences lie there only, not in the virtues of the Isolda cable.

Yes I can be persistent. Now you can't start a debate, then call it meaningless when someone challengers your assumptions.
[/quote] My final words on this subject are:

As soon as you assumed that I was perfectly happy with my cheap little speakers and therefore did not aspire to anything better, as you implied in this quote:

There are people who would spend huge amounts of money (big dents in their bank balance) to get that extra bit of sonic resolution while others (like yourself) are satisfied with less.

It became a straw man argument to me as I believe you misunderstood my point. Please stop explaining what a bargain is or that spending more money gives one a better system. I know all that.

Let me ask you this: why would people spend many thousands of pounds on high end equipment if it was not to get a better level of fidelity?

Beats me. Maybe they have a great deal of disposable income and not much common sense?

May be this is financially foolish,it not for me to say. but it does happen because they want more out of their system.

It is possible to become irrationally obsessed with this hobby. I knew someone with an average job who had the cost equivalent of two new family saloons in his small living room. If there was a tweak to be made, he would make it, regardless of cost. In my view this is ludicrous and a complete waste of time, money and effort.

This brings us back to your "Not on your bank balance anyway" statement (the start of this mini thread) which to me implied that the only differences lie there only, not in the virtues of the Isolda cable.

You're spot on with that assumption. I think most members will have grasped my view on cables by now. You asked earlier if I had tried this Isolda DCT cable. Put it this way, if someone offered it to me to try I wouldn't bother, it wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference to me. Granted it probably looks impressive though. Now, if someone produced firm, irrefutable evidence that this cable would noticeably improve my system, I would try it.

[/quote]

Wow (the length)

 

[drummerman]

[quote user="Anton90125"][quote user="gpi"]Please stop explaining what a bargain[/quote]
Where have explaned what a bargain is ???
[quote user="gpi"]Please stop explaining......spending more money gives one a better system. I know all that.[/quote]

A bit difficult that,since it is the core of my initial comment,of which you disagreed with.
[quote user="gpi"]Put it this way, if someone offered it to me to try I wouldn't bother,[/quote]

So much for science and discovery. You are quite happy to give your opinion about something (Isolda) which you know absolutely nothing about.
[quote user="gpi"]Now, if someone produced firm, irrefutable evidence that this cable would noticeably improve my system, I would try it.[/quote]

This is quite funny. You'd believe a piece of paper but not your ears (I am assuming (Uh that nasty word) that you'd not even blind test).
[quote user="gpi"] As soon as you assumed that I was perfectly happy with my cheap little speakers and therefore did not aspire to anything better, as you implied in this quote:[/quote]

Well can you blame me:
[quote user="gpi"] I bought a pair of JPW Sonata's for £15.00, which are marvelous little sealed box bookshelf speakers. I have bought many more hi-fi bargains too over the years.[/quote]

In the context of what you were replying to and the actual wording, you don't think that was a reasonable conclusion?
[quote user="gpi"] Beats me. Maybe they have a great deal of disposable income and not much common sense?[/quote] [quote user="gpi"] It is possible to become irrationally obsessed with this hobby. [/quote]

Ooo err!
[quote user="gpi"] You're spot on with that assumption. I think most members will have grasped my view on cables by now.[/quote]

In which case why don't you re£frain from posting ANY comments on treads which involve constructive cable debates

[/quote]

Wow (the layout)

 

[Andrew Everard]

Wow (the confrontational attitude)

 

[drummerman]

I feel like hunting little furry animals and use them as port bungs. I feel a new thread coming on.

 

[gpi]

[quote user="drummerman"]
[quote user="gpi"][quote user="Anton90125"][quote user="gpi"]only people with a lot of money value the high fidelity of their system. It suggests someone like me, who doesn't have a big budget to spend on hi-fi, does not value the fidelity of their system.[/quote]
I see where you are coming from but I don't think your interpretation is that literal simply because my statement is so general. The only assumption is the one made by you. Let me ask you this: why would people spend many thousands of pounds on high end equipment if it was not to get a better level of fidelity? This is the core of my statement. not people who have small budgets don't value their fidelity of their system. let me put it another way-not everone with an expensive system is that rich.I know several people who have spent a significant %age of their income on hifi. May be this is financially foolish,it not for me to say. but it does happen because they want more out of their system.

Still bargains aside, hifi is an expensive game, even the so called budget end. You could put together a budget system for £300+ pounds. Thats still £300 when you could go to Curreys and pick up an all in one for £50. Us hifi people DO value the fidelity of their system. Some of us value those small extra %points of increased fidelity to incur massively damaged bank balances. This brings us back to your "Not on your bank balance anyway" statement (the start of this mini thread) which to me implied that the only differences lie there only, not in the virtues of the Isolda cable.

Yes I can be persistent. Now you can't start a debate, then call it meaningless when someone challengers your assumptions.
[/quote] My final words on this subject are:

As soon as you assumed that I was perfectly happy with my cheap little speakers and therefore did not aspire to anything better, as you implied in this quote:

There are people who would spend huge amounts of money (big dents in their bank balance) to get that extra bit of sonic resolution while others (like yourself) are satisfied with less.

It became a straw man argument to me as I believe you misunderstood my point. Please stop explaining what a bargain is or that spending more money gives one a better system. I know all that.

Let me ask you this: why would people spend many thousands of pounds on high end equipment if it was not to get a better level of fidelity?

Beats me. Maybe they have a great deal of disposable income and not much common sense?

May be this is financially foolish,it not for me to say. but it does happen because they want more out of their system.

It is possible to become irrationally obsessed with this hobby. I knew someone with an average job who had the cost equivalent of two new family saloons in his small living room. If there was a tweak to be made, he would make it, regardless of cost. In my view this is ludicrous and a complete waste of time, money and effort.

This brings us back to your "Not on your bank balance anyway" statement (the start of this mini thread) which to me implied that the only differences lie there only, not in the virtues of the Isolda cable.

You're spot on with that assumption. I think most members will have grasped my view on cables by now. You asked earlier if I had tried this Isolda DCT cable. Put it this way, if someone offered it to me to try I wouldn't bother, it wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference to me. Granted it probably looks impressive though. Now, if someone produced firm, irrefutable evidence that this cable would noticeably improve my system, I would try it.

[/quote]

Wow (the length)

[/quote]

Well, I don't like to brag but I've had comments before.

Reading Anton's reply again, he is saying I shouldn't post on cable threads if I haven't heard all cables, or any one in particular. What utter, utter, utter nonsense. How do folk have a balanced debate about anything if that debate only consists of folk patting each other on the backs, saying how wonderful all cables are?

 

[gpi]

[quote user="Andrew Everard"]
Wow (the confrontational attitude)

[/quote]

Whose (note correct word this time), his or mine? I said long before it got to this stage, life is too short but he just couldn't let it lie.

Turn off your TV's and watch this space, Anton is now preparing his reply.

 

[Anonymous]

[quote user="gpi"][quote user="Andrew Everard"]
Wow (the confrontational attitude)

[/quote]

Whoose (note correct word this time), his or mine? I said long before it got to this stage, life is too short but he just couldn't let it lie.

Turn off your TV's and watch this space, Anton is now preparing his reply.

[/quote]

"Whose" actually. *slopes-off to the back of the room to enjoy thread again*

 

[Andrew Everard]

[quote user="gpi"]Whose (note correct word this time), his or mine? I said long before it got to this stage, life is too short but he just couldn't let it lie.

Turn off your TV's and watch this space, Anton is now preparing his reply.

[/quote]

Gawd, it's like kids in the playground. Now I remember why I didn't become a teacher.

Well, that and the money...

 

[drummerman]

There's a man in need of help with cables children. Turn your attention to 'good cables for bass' ... Not my subject ...

 

[gpi]

[quote user="Andrew Everard"][quote user="gpi"]Whose (note correct word this time), his or mine? I said long before it got to this stage, life is too short but he just couldn't let it lie.

Turn off your TV's and watch this space, Anton is now preparing his reply.

[/quote]

Gawd, it's like kids in the playground. Now I remember why I didn't become a teacher.

Well, that and the money...

[/quote]

I don't think there's a GCSE in high-fidelity system buying, more's the pity. Good holidays though Andrew.

 

[Andrew Everard]

[quote user="gpi"]I don't think there's a GCSE in high-fidelity system buying, more's the pity.[/quote]

In my day we had O-, A- and S-levels.

[quote user="gpi"]Good holidays though Andrew.[/quote]

Yes, but as well as the day-job there'd be all that out of hours work - oh, hang on...

 

[gpi]

[quote user="Andrew Everard"]
[quote user="gpi"]I don't think there's a GCSE in high-fidelity system buying, more's the pity.[/quote]

In my day we had O-, A- and S-levels.

[quote user="gpi"]Good holidays though Andrew.[/quote]

Yes, but as well as the day-job there'd be all that out of hours work - oh, hang on...

[/quote]

O- = Ordinary level. A- = Advanced level. S- = Stupid level?

Same here; I am a Grandad!

 

[Anonymous]

This is hardly constructive is it? gpi, why not try Isolda before berating it? It's not the materials but the implementation that is important here IMO.

 

[Anton90125]

[quote user="gpi"]I'll refrain (doesn't need the hyphen) from posting on it. They are called 'threads' by the way, not 'treads'.[/quote]

A bit petty! Is this a distraction from a losing argument perhaps? Your need to correct spelling/grammer as well as your views on cables remind me of another poster "OldPhart"

[quote user="gpi"] My final words on this subject are:[/quote]

Doesn't seem that's likely.

[quote user="gpi"]You show me a constructive cable debate[/quote]

By "constructive", do you mean totally agree with your mode of thinking? And any descenting view is somehow distructive?

[quote user="gpi"]
As far as trying cables is concerned, what has science and discovery got to do with it?[/quote]

I take it you understand fully the physics involved in cables/signal transmission/material science. I am just amazed that you actually asked that question- Do you know/understand the processes of scientific methodology ?

[quote user="gpi"]I don't need to try this cable before forming an opinion on it, the same way I would do about buying a car[/quote]

When I read this I laughed so much I nearly fell out of my wheelchair! So you don't believe in test driving a car before buying it

[quote user="gpi"]It is up to you to persuade me it will noticeably improve my system. Go on then.[/quote]

No its not! I am quite happy to let you live in your ignorance. Just don't ruin it (the cable tHreads) for the rest of us. I have to stop now as my stomach is still hurting from all that laughing!

 

[Anton90125]

[quote user="gpi"]

Reading Anton's reply again, he is saying I shouldn't post on cable threads if I haven't heard all cables, or any one in particular. What utter, utter, utter nonsense. How do folk have a balanced debate about anything if that debate only consists of folk patting each other on the backs, saying how wonderful all cables are?
[/quote]

NO. You are good at correcting grammar and spelling but poor at comprehension.

[quote user="General Quotes"]
[quote user="gpi"]
You're spot on with that assumption. I think most members will have grasped my view on cables by now.
[/quote]
[quote user="Anton90125"]
In which case why don't you re£frain from posting ANY comments on treads which involve constructive cable debates
[/quote]
[/quote]

What is utter nonsense is the idea that a cable opinion based on "non testing" coupled with an aggressive anti-cable philosophy can ever be constructive in a tHead that discusses cable performance based on experience.

[quote user="gpi"]

Well, I don't like to brag but I've had comments before.[/quote]

Why aren't I surprised by that?

[quote user="gpi"]
I said long before it got to this stage, life is too short but he just couldn't let it lie
[/quote]

Any mechanism to get the last word?

[quote user="gpi"]
Turn off your TV's and watch this space, Anton is now preparing his reply.
[/quote]

As I said "Any mechanism...."

 

[drummerman]

[quote user="Anton90125"]
[quote user="gpi"]
Reading Anton's reply again, he is saying I shouldn't post on cable threads if I haven't heard all cables, or any one in particular. What utter, utter, utter nonsense. How do folk have a balanced debate about anything if that debate only consists of folk patting each other on the backs, saying how wonderful all cables are?
[/quote]

NO. You are good at correcting grammar and spelling but poor at comprehension.

[quote user="General Quotes"] [quote user="gpi"] You're spot on with that assumption. I think most members will have grasped my view on cables by now. [/quote] [quote user="Anton90125"] In which case why don't you re£frain from posting ANY comments on treads which involve constructive cable debates [/quote] [/quote]

What is utter nonsense is the idea that a cable opinion based on "non testing" coupled with an aggressive anti-cable philosophy can ever be constructive in a tHead that discusses cable performance based on experience. [quote user="gpi"] Well, I don't like to brag but I've had comments before.[/quote]
Why aren't I surprised by that?
[quote user="gpi"] I said long before it got to this stage, life is too short but he just couldn't let it lie [/quote]

Any mechanism to get the last word?
[quote user="gpi"] Turn off your TV's and watch this space, Anton is now preparing his reply. [/quote]

As I said "Any mechanism...."

[/quote]

Wow (its a proper domestic now)

 

[Anton90125]

[quote user="drummerman"]Wow (its a proper domestic now)[/quote]

lol

 

[Anonymous]

[quote user="drummerman"]What is utter nonsense is the idea that a cable opinion based on "non testing" coupled with an aggressive anti-cable philosophy can ever be constructive in a tHead that discusses cable performance based on experience. [/quote]

If you accumulate enough knowledge about a subject you can ignore the nonsense and greatly reduce the amount of testing that needs to be done.