is the hifi music av world now to complicated

[Helmut80]

the_lhc:Helmut80:
'you audiophiles' really are a strange breed

To whom do you refer? I'm not an audiophile.

nobody in particular. would 'hi-fi enthusiast' be more accurate? Just seems that there are various threads on various different forums at the moment with 'hifi enthusiasts' discussing ways to lure the 'ipod generation' into the world of hifi, and it just makes for very entertaining reading.

 

[manicm]

6th.replicant:Appreciate what you're all saying re Blu-ray audio. However, arguably, neither SACD or DVD-A were that much of an advance compared to CD? (FWIW, I love SACD, it's why I grabbed a CD37.) And SACD's cause wasn't helped by various 'respected' h-fi hacks who wrote that they couldn't actually hear any difference 'tween CD and SACD. Oops.

Simply not true. Even if SACD and DVD-A were twice as advanced the general public would not have noticed.

Second, who are these 'hacks' you're referring to? Don't think the WHF folks would appreciate that ha ha. But I followed it closely - on the contrary most 'hacks' found SACD and DVD-A to be substantially better than CD provided the recording and hardware was up to snuff - and many certainly were. (I still maintain that the DVD-A implementation was a dog).

And you seem to forget many are loving their CA650s and other universal boxes. On the other hand, contrary to WHF, I admire Arcam for ditching SACD and DVD-A on their new Blu-ray player and focussing on CD instead, cos the other 2 formats are dead horses really now. Arcam's freebie glitches and high price notwithstanding.

 

[Dalesman]

Andrew Everard:I think it all went wrong when you no longer had to wind a handle and that new-fangled electricity came in.

The Master of one liners !

 

[manicm]

BTW, Neil Young was a DVD-A evangelist and subsequently treated CD as the equivalent of MP3 i.e. with contempt for the little audio infidel.

The old geezer surely now wants to make Blu-ray audio the saviour of all man's ills.

 

[BenLaw]

the_lhc:6th.replicant: If so, we must agree to visit on different days - heaven forfend we might meet!

Hardly matters does it? It's not like we know what the other looks like, so neither of us would know if we were in the same room. .

Well, when the group of replicants walk in, just count the 6th one from the left. Oh, wait a minute......

 

[6th.replicant]

the_lhc:Helmut80:
'you audiophiles' really are a strange breed

BenLaw:the_lhc:6th.replicant: If so, we must agree to visit on different days - heaven forfend we might meet!

Hardly matters does it? It's not like we know what the other looks like, so neither of us would know if we were in the same room. .

Well, when the group of replicants walk in, just count the 6th one from the left. Oh, wait a minute......

I shall adopt a cunning disguise: over-sized black, AC/DC-emblazoned T-shirt; black George/ASDA jeans (ironed, natch); stick-on ponytail; 1990s-era NHS specs; black hiking-type boots (whatever's sub-£40 on Amazon that week...); a pipe clenched 'tween (grey) teeth; a battered 20-year-old Harrods carrier bag for my brochure collection. The pipe will prove particularly useful for indignant gesticulation while submitting exhibitors to ear-bending sessions.

 

[6th.replicant]

manicm:
6th.replicant:...And SACD's cause wasn't helped by various 'respected' h-fi hacks who wrote that they couldn't actually hear any difference 'tween CD and SACD. Oops.

... who are these 'hacks' you're referring to? Don't think the WHF folks would appreciate that ha ha. But I followed it closely - on the contrary most 'hacks' found SACD and DVD-A to be substantially better than CD provided the recording and hardware was up to snuff - and many certainly were. (I still maintain that the DVD-A implementation was a dog)...
As it's all-too easy to trip over this forum's myriad rules 'n' regs, I'll not quote/link publications/articles. But try a Google of 'sacd cd no difference'...

 

[The_Lhc]

6th.replicant:I shall adopt a cunning disguise: over-sized black, AC/DC-emblazoned T-shirt; black George/ASDA jeans (ironed, natch); stick-on ponytail; 1990s-era NHS specs; black hiking-type boots (whatever's sub-£40 on Amazon that week...); a pipe clenched 'tween (grey) teeth; a battered 20-year-old Harrods carrier bag for my brochure collection. The pipe will prove particularly useful for indignant gesticulation while submitting exhibitors to ear-bending sessions.

You've been to the show before then?

 

[Anonymous]

manicm:
BTW, Neil Young was a DVD-A evangelist and subsequently treated CD as the equivalent of MP3 i.e. with contempt for the little audio infidel.

The old geezer surely now wants to make Blu-ray audio the saviour of all man's ills.
Isn't he also a vinyl fan and still uses an LP12? I'm sure I read that somewhere.

 

[manicm]

6th.replicant:manicm:

6th.replicant:...And SACD's cause wasn't helped by various 'respected' h-fi hacks who wrote that they couldn't actually hear any difference 'tween CD and SACD. Oops.

... who are these 'hacks' you're referring to? Don't think the WHF folks would appreciate that ha ha. But I followed it closely - on the contrary most 'hacks' found SACD and DVD-A to be substantially better than CD provided the recording and hardware was up to snuff - and many certainly were. (I still maintain that the DVD-A implementation was a dog)... As it's all-too easy to trip over this forum's myriad rules 'n' regs, I'll not quote/link publications/articles. But try a Google of 'sacd cd no difference'...

No respectable publication, UK or otherwise, confirms your findings. Google isn't the be all and end all of knowledge.

 

[manicm]

Grottyash:manicm:

BTW, Neil Young was a DVD-A evangelist and subsequently treated CD as the equivalent of MP3 i.e. with contempt for the little audio infidel.

The old geezer surely now wants to make Blu-ray audio the saviour of all man's ills.

Isn't he also a vinyl fan and still uses an LP12? I'm sure I read that somewhere.

Don't know, but he's gone on record many times as how he loathes CD, but loved DVD-A.

 

[6th.replicant]

the_lhc:6th.replicant:I shall adopt a cunning disguise: over-sized black, AC/DC-emblazoned T-shirt; black George/ASDA jeans (ironed, natch); stick-on ponytail; 1990s-era NHS specs; black hiking-type boots (whatever's sub-£40 on Amazon that week...); a pipe clenched 'tween (grey) teeth; a battered 20-year-old Harrods carrier bag for my brochure collection. The pipe will prove particularly useful for indignant gesticulation while submitting exhibitors to ear-bending sessions.

You've been to the show before then?
Not to Bristol, but a visit to a similar event in London seemed to indicate that one's regular togs didn't blend in...

 

[6th.replicant]

manicm:6th.replicant:manicm:

6th.replicant:...And SACD's cause wasn't helped by various 'respected' h-fi hacks who wrote that they couldn't actually hear any difference 'tween CD and SACD. Oops.

... who are these 'hacks' you're referring to? Don't think the WHF folks would appreciate that ha ha. But I followed it closely - on the contrary most 'hacks' found SACD and DVD-A to be substantially better than CD provided the recording and hardware was up to snuff - and many certainly were. (I still maintain that the DVD-A implementation was a dog)... As it's all-too easy to trip over this forum's myriad rules 'n' regs, I'll not quote/link publications/articles. But try a Google of 'sacd cd no difference'...

No respectable publication, UK or otherwise, confirms your findings. Google isn't the be all and end all of knowledge.

Erm, where did I imply that they were my "findings" or infer the source was "respectable"? Hence, the use of the term "hacks" and style of writing 'respected'.

Ooo, and thanks for your sage-like advice - "Google isn't the be all and end all of knowledge" - I'd never, ever considered such a notion. Just as well I rely on Wikipedia for all fact-finding, eh?