I think bad people and idiots on forums really. You throw them a possible bone and the idiots come a running. They then stick together in clubs and put people down because they are internet mates.
I think bad people and idiots on forums really. You throw them a possible bone and the idiots come a running. They then stick together in clubs and put people down because they are internet mates.
Freddy58
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QuestForThe13thNote, I'd still like to come and visit you with some of my hi-fi bits the next time I'm down south without all the family in tow.
Would you still be up for this?
If so what's the best way for us to contact each other?
I agree with the theme of your opening post in this thread. The psychology behind hi-fi is more interesting than the hi-fi itself.
Hi-fi is the type of activity that attracts a relatively high proportion of men that would score highly on Asperger's tests.
And I do think that a big test of whether someone on the Internet is worth listening to, when it comes to hi-fi, is whether they ever actually criticise the sound of their own components. Every item that I've ever bought has had at least one easily detected sonic flaw.
Would you still be up for this?
If so what's the best way for us to contact each other?
I agree with the theme of your opening post in this thread. The psychology behind hi-fi is more interesting than the hi-fi itself.
Hi-fi is the type of activity that attracts a relatively high proportion of men that would score highly on Asperger's tests.
And I do think that a big test of whether someone on the Internet is worth listening to, when it comes to hi-fi, is whether they ever actually criticise the sound of their own components. Every item that I've ever bought has had at least one easily detected sonic flaw.
Electro
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QuestForThe13thNote said:
Which forum, Do you use the same user name?
There is no PM funtion here but you can contact me on another forum if you wish to .
Is that your opinion, snake oil placebo or fact?QuestForThe13thNote said:
A little hypocritical considering all youve said about tinkering and upgrades.
Yes, the lack of a pm function is a tiny bit "awkward". Any time any of the members of this forum want to arrange a get together, they have to contact each other via PM's on other forums.Electro said:
Seems to me, as a personal opinion,that any one who visits a site such as this making the comments you have done implies that you have some deep seated issues. Or are you someone who for some reason has a smug suppiority complex who wishes to belittle others who only wish to give helpful advice.
In my experience, no point in giving advice because nobody listens due to having pre-conceived ideas. They only ask for advice to 'rubber stamp' their preconceptions. Anything other than that is classed an attack. I've followed this forum for over a year now just reading and it hasn't got any better really. Shame. I really had hoped this situation had improved but sadly not so it seems.
Samd
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Richard Allen said:
but it's not always the case. One of the problems I have on here is knowing who to trust and I don't mean that rudely. There have been a couple of occasions where I have seen an authoritative post by someone and then later it became clear that they had no first-hand experience of the issueitem under discussion. Received wisdom is not always the truth as witnessed by certain mags which promulgate 'less than accurate' reviews!
Gaz37
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Richard Allen said:
In fairness doesn't that work both ways?
Nobody is allowed to question "conventional wisdom" or popular opinion without being ridiculed and/or insulted?
It does indeed work both ways. I now feel that if people need advice on a particular product they have bought or are thinking of buying then a trip to their local dealer is the order of the day.
Gaz37. Your kit list is a case in point. Less than £250.00. Well done. As it does what you want it to do, job jolly. This is such a subjective hobby.
Gaz37 said:
i agree with that, they are stuck in their ways to the extent they can't see things from another's perspective. One guy was saying the difference between the pmc twenty range and 25 range is similar on paper, so why bother changing. But the difference is quite profound. But all this stuff of using graphs to work out what we can hear (like some of these audiophile people do) and then even more complicated, what we prefer, is just a bit futile etc.
Richard Allen said:
That is certainly all too common....but occasionally you get to help someone who is genuinely open minded, follows the advice and are thrilled with the result. That almost makes up for all the tripe. *unknw*
Gaz37
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Richard Allen said:
Actually that's a bit out of date, I reckon it's now probably as much as £350.
Big spender me lol
Cno, you well know that the number of people on here with sound and sensible knowledge can be counted on one hand so the odds of encountering them are pretty long. Far better to go see the local dealer IMO. I certainly shan't be giving advice on here anymore. Just not worth it.
Gaz37
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Richard Allen said:
But what is sound and sensible knowledge?
Virtually everything in this hobby is based on personal perception or opinion.
Yes there is factual knowledge, take the graphs posted by Vlad in another thread, but anybody disagreeing with what they represent will argue that facts & figures aren't everything, and they may well be right
Gaz37 said:
what is sound and sensible knowledge is basically on the matter of sq when it comes to hi fi. As features can be assessed easily. To assess sq you have to be able to make judgements realising that your own kit always has downfalls, that some people may be put off, but not others. Conversely that some kit may perform better at a lower and higher price. If you can divorce yourself of this 'mine is always the best' mentality you can look at stuff for what it is. If you can't then you can't give advice. But enough people doing this, and you will see patterns e.g. Some brands being smooth on bass, others not. But aside from basic advice much is listening yourself anyway.
Richard Allen said:
Getting advice from the person that sells you the product has to be the most unintelligent and naive thing to do. In addition employees of HT centers are completely ignorant on all matters of electronics and psychoacoustics. Most don't even know their own product performance specs. You can have them sell carpeting the next day and it wouldn't make any difference to them whatsoever. They are just cattle herders, pushing the carousel for milking and slaughter, keeping it going.
Vladimir said:
if you are smart, you take advice from the dealer, but balance it with what the manufacturer, other customers (non owners and owners) and reviews say. Then reach your own view after listening and comparing and own preferences into mix too. So to ignore a dealer who can tell you lots about a product as store staff often visit manufacturers etc, is to ignore one source of information for me. Also they can tell you what's selling.
Well well well. A reasonable voice. Also, if you are a customer of said dealer it pays him to keep you sweet because you might buy more kit.
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