To add .... I am listening to my Jazz Juice #3 cd track 4 -Tito Puente's 'Take 5' playing ( had it on repeat ) while I was reading through this thread, how it added to the excitement of the 'debate' ....lol.
I learnt long ago not to get involved in cable debates, so as an aside an amusing story... years ago I had some Cable Talk speaker cable I no longer needed, and as my Dad had bell wire (and I mean that literally) running between his Cyrus amp and Mission speakers. I duly swapped the cables over and left him to it... a couple of weeks later I'm back at my Dad's and the Cable Talk has disappeared - and I duly ask what/why/where... "oh didn't sound any different to me, but they make great jumper leads for the car"! 
TrevC said:Thompsonuxb said:
Just to let you know. I'm not a cable skeptic, whatever that is.
so what cables do you use ?
In my case, Chord Chorus, Atlas Navigator and various lesser priced ones down to about £8 worth.
the record spot said:
Honestly The Record Spot, I'm reading through this thread ( responded in the other "Help with cables" thread, thought this was a duplicate, only looked in when it grew passed 60replies or so ) the 'debate took its usuual route, the two sides standing firm then came the ' pros' don't use them 'bomb' countered with oh yes they do 'bomb' with quotes from reputable pro's.
Then watched with great amusment while the skeptics tried to debunk the quotes ...oh how I laughed last night, and you don't see that as a kicking (purely in an internet forum debate context).... really?
Well I dunno - hifikrazy imo gained great credability, while those opposing him looked really stupid/ignorant - others may have a different opinions, you may have all read me stating my speakers clearly distinguishes the differences cables can make - I honestly did'nt get involved in this thread till now simply because they always end this way.
But a thumbs up from me to hifikrazy.
mikefarrow said:TrevC said:Thompsonuxb said:
Just to let you know. I'm not a cable skeptic, whatever that is.
so what cables do you use ?
Sit back sir, for this is a tale of experimentation, trial and erro.... what!!? get on with it, man, wow...just trying to build a little atomosphere.
Well I'm currently using QED One a digital coax between amp & CDp - in my history, started out with cheapo freebies, then tried a Tandy (remember them) interconnect (£7.99) , an improvement to my ears on my old system then pushed the boat out on some Cambridge Audio Pacific £30 from Richer, more improvement (Marantz CD63 with Technics - amp/model forgotton.- Sony 176s speakers)
Then came The Yamaha AX-620 - big improvement on the Technics (bought for surround sound) also bought the QED1 £25 at this time for 5.1, but so good was the Yamaha it stayed in stereo mode with the One.
Then came the NAD C660 CD recorder sounded better via the digital coax & anolog outs than the Marantz, then came the Missions (end of production discounts ) and that was it, there was no need for further upgrades.
did purchase the QED p75 - £50 which was no where near as good as the one.
dabbled with stereo amps buying Chord Crimson 35quid awful interconnect in my system, then the QED performance 2 40quid, much better but the amps could not drive the Missions so I have ended up with my old system and a handful of interconnects with different nuances.
The QED p75 is now between my sub and AV amp Yammy ra-1020, one leg of the Chord now between the blueray and amp (suprisingly good when used for 5.1)
and so they lived happily ever aft..... what!!?...I have too much time on my hands right now...... geeeees....some people...
mikefarrow said:TrevC said:Thompsonuxb said:
Just to let you know. I'm not a cable skeptic, whatever that is.
so what cables do you use ?
Ones that fit, obvously. I have thick multistrand on the speakers because low resistance is important on speaker cables. Thin speaker cables sound awful.
Thompsonuxb said:
He posted this, a quote from a clueless person."Cables are a source of noise and other very audible distortions. They can limit resolution, dynamic range and distort the tonal balance". Nope, nonsense. If you use a thin speaker cable the response will track the impedance curve of the speaker to a certain extent, but that's about it.
TrevC said:
What are you talking about?
the things discribed in that quote are the very things that cables affect in a half decent system - resolution, dynamic range, tonal balance I don't get the point you are trying to make - ref the quotes in this thread what aspects of the sound do you believe the new cables affected?
I mean c'mon.... read them again.
TrevC said:
Yup, this is clearly the profile of a "clueless person" :
BOB LUDWIG
Bob's Gateway Studios facility is cabled throughout with Transparent Cable -- even the control boards! Gateway has won 9 TEC Awards, the industry's top award, for mastering studio and mastering engineer. Gateway recently remastered all 22 Rolling Stones albums . . . on Transparent!
You can try to sound intelligent by talking about response tracking the impedance curve (which I am confident enough to admit that I don't have any understanding of), but based on Bob's credentials above, he clearly has more credibility in his little finger than the whole of an insecure person like you who must always get the last word in like a kindergarden student.
hifikrazy said:
Looks pretty clear form the number of times he goes on about them that transparent have paid him to use their cables. Until he can pick them out in a double blind test, I don't give a toss what he says, Flashy cables are the hifi equivalent of the warranties that electrical retailers try and sell you - expensive and unnecessary.
Chord claim this:Thompsonuxb said:
"No cable can increase the dynamic range of a system, but a poor quality cable can significantly reduce it. This can be caused by poor quality shielding which significantly raises the noise floor of the system, meaning that very quiet sounds are masked by unwanted noise."
If this were true, it would imply that I would be able to hear something when there is no music being played on my system - I can't. So my bog standard 79 strand cable seems to be up to the job and I don't think anyone on this thread suggests anything less expensive than this for a reasonable system.
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