QuestForThe13thNote said:
I'm a firm believer in homo homini lupus est. Find your pack and hunting grounds, lead a happy life as much as possible.
I'm a firm believer in homo homini lupus est. Find your pack and hunting grounds, lead a happy life as much as possible.
I tend to believe that people shouldn’t do that as it’s what creates problems. We should all be of the same or similar mind about our caring attitudes to one another, and problems.
By people having more attitudes that they are thinking of others, not just themselves, can people tackle the problems like mandatory reporting in the example I gave, and miscarriages of justice etc. Our state is all too powerful and the creator of problems and abuse, and it requires people to come together and not be ambivalent or thinking selfishly just about themselves, or worse not even having a view on really important issues because it doesn’t affect them. Go to work, come home, do the same again....buy a Holliday ....go to work etc etc. That’s why we have problems. What’s the seriously vulnerable person around the corner doing?
By people having more attitudes that they are thinking of others, not just themselves, can people tackle the problems like mandatory reporting in the example I gave, and miscarriages of justice etc. Our state is all too powerful and the creator of problems and abuse, and it requires people to come together and not be ambivalent or thinking selfishly just about themselves, or worse not even having a view on really important issues because it doesn’t affect them. Go to work, come home, do the same again....buy a Holliday ....go to work etc etc. That’s why we have problems. What’s the seriously vulnerable person around the corner doing?
If you’re not a liberal when you’re 25, you have no heart. If you’re not a conservative by the time you’re 35, you have no brain.
insider9
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/19/there-are-no-unemployed-in-uk-says-philip-hammond-tv-gaffeVladimir said:
insider9
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Voting Tory in Haywards Heath would be voting for Nicholas Soames, the horrible Tory grandee who is sexist, homophobic and was on the recent ‘sex pest list’ for inappropriate conduct. I just wouldn’t vote for him out of general principle.
One of the interesting concepts in boarding school syndrome and Nick Duffels books on the subject is that we have no social variation in our politics. Look at who are MPs are and they are mainly people from the private education system. Cameron, Clegg, Soames, etc etc. He proposes that these are institutional people who through boarding school have lost empathy through the need of boarders to shut down emotions to cope with removal from primary caregivers. It means they aren’t the best people to set laws and rules for others and be empathetic in politics. Having more social variation in politics will mean we have better leaders, more caring attitudes to others, and our government becoming more inclusive. And I’m not talking about socialism but just better caring for one another. So close down private boarding schools for under 16’s which is cruel anyway.
i think we should be go out and buy our hi Fi and be commercial people and do the best we can financially, and that’s definetly what I aspire to - you don’t not think like this going to a private school seeing all those range rovers and wealth etc, but I think this should not stop us from our society and government working well one to another. That we get involved in others problems and be involved. Not a government all about being in self interest, just because individuals lives are largely in self interest, which is very much the mantra of the Tory’s, and that’s deplorable if things like miscarriages, police corruption and public body corruption, happen. Also things like changes for mandatory reporting of abuse cases, in boarding schools. So if attitudinally it is all about oneself, it is easy to see these things be problematic which is asymptomatic of the attitudes.
One of the interesting concepts in boarding school syndrome and Nick Duffels books on the subject is that we have no social variation in our politics. Look at who are MPs are and they are mainly people from the private education system. Cameron, Clegg, Soames, etc etc. He proposes that these are institutional people who through boarding school have lost empathy through the need of boarders to shut down emotions to cope with removal from primary caregivers. It means they aren’t the best people to set laws and rules for others and be empathetic in politics. Having more social variation in politics will mean we have better leaders, more caring attitudes to others, and our government becoming more inclusive. And I’m not talking about socialism but just better caring for one another. So close down private boarding schools for under 16’s which is cruel anyway.
i think we should be go out and buy our hi Fi and be commercial people and do the best we can financially, and that’s definetly what I aspire to - you don’t not think like this going to a private school seeing all those range rovers and wealth etc, but I think this should not stop us from our society and government working well one to another. That we get involved in others problems and be involved. Not a government all about being in self interest, just because individuals lives are largely in self interest, which is very much the mantra of the Tory’s, and that’s deplorable if things like miscarriages, police corruption and public body corruption, happen. Also things like changes for mandatory reporting of abuse cases, in boarding schools. So if attitudinally it is all about oneself, it is easy to see these things be problematic which is asymptomatic of the attitudes.
Gazzip
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So Quest let me get this straight: You live in Hayward’s Heath but you purchased something from Hull, not from your local dealer, presumably because it was cheaper from Hull. The deal didn’t work out due to some faulty equipment so you grassed the Hull dealer up to the local dealer for dealing out of their assigned area. You grassed them up to the very dealer who in fact you bypassed in the first place by ordering from Hull. What a principled man you are!
newlash09
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I've always had very pleasant experiences with dealers. I bought my parasound from a dealer who was a mutual friend of my friend in the USA. And he took the trouble of testing everything out, before he handed over the product which was 100% functional. I guess Amazon doesn't do that.
And going a while back , I bought the qacoustics q7000i and bluesound powernode from a seven oaks dealer in Ipswich. Their rules determined that I pay a certain amount upfront to confirm the order . However owing to my limited internet connectivity at sea, I couldn't complete that formality. And when I conveyed the same , the dealer ordered all that I needed on my behalf, without me paying anything upfront .
And when I arrived in Felixstowe, I had a surprise audit. And couldn't leave my boat. And I certainly didn't want to disappoint my benevolent dealer. So I sent my most junior officer to collect my stuff on my behalf. And my junior officer went armed with a print out of our entire communication. And got the entire stuff on my behalf. Now I seriously believe my dealer took a huge risk, ordering stuff on my behalf. All I can say is that he was a nice guy. And certainly deserves a beer.
And any point in time if I look for hifi kit in the UK, he would be my go to man.
And by the way....a big welcome back to mr.vladimir
And going a while back , I bought the qacoustics q7000i and bluesound powernode from a seven oaks dealer in Ipswich. Their rules determined that I pay a certain amount upfront to confirm the order . However owing to my limited internet connectivity at sea, I couldn't complete that formality. And when I conveyed the same , the dealer ordered all that I needed on my behalf, without me paying anything upfront .
And when I arrived in Felixstowe, I had a surprise audit. And couldn't leave my boat. And I certainly didn't want to disappoint my benevolent dealer. So I sent my most junior officer to collect my stuff on my behalf. And my junior officer went armed with a print out of our entire communication. And got the entire stuff on my behalf. Now I seriously believe my dealer took a huge risk, ordering stuff on my behalf. All I can say is that he was a nice guy. And certainly deserves a beer.
And any point in time if I look for hifi kit in the UK, he would be my go to man.
And by the way....a big welcome back to mr.vladimir
Gazzip said:
When someone holds everyone else to very high standards, it's usually him/her/z that fails them the most.
Gazzip said:
no it’s not like that at all. Faulty equipment was with someone else, I was concerned fanthorpes could say yes we’ve had no problems with an amp (as was looking at that as well) but they had, so a lie, but as I say on a non pmc product. I bought pmcs from hi Fi lounge. Did you get discounted mail order stuff from fanthorpes on your two sets of pmcs? Sounds like you bought from them.
i first heard my current speakers from a very local brighton audio t, borrowed their set, but we subsequently couldn’t come to agreement over trade in price. So I went to the next best nearest dealer in hi Fi lounge and bought in the shop, then came back. The price was very much comparable to what fanthorpes were doing on their trade in of twenty series for buying new twenty5, advertised on their website. One speaker was dent damaged by courier to hi Fi lounge, so I took the pair home and ran them in, but got a new pair delivered to home from pmc themselves after new sets made. That’s when Tom told me about the rule I mentioned. So knowing what I do now on that I wouldn’t buy pmc stuff from far away dealers like fanthorpes, to support the more local decent dealers and people who are running a fab business, who I got just as good deal off as fanthorpes.
Gazzip
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QuestForThe13thNote said:
No. I studied architecture in Hull for 7 years and developed a great relationship with them while I was there. I visit Hull about three times a year to visit friends and/or lecture there, and occasionally pop in to Fanthorpes for a cheeky audition or just to say hello/chew the fat. More often than not I leave considerably poorer... Fanthorpes are 100% my “local” dealer and I’m not changing that due to some cartel ********, regardless of where I live now. I’d rather switch brands, something which I suspect PMC would not want me to do given the circa £100K I’ve put through them over the years.
BTW as it happens my big PMC’s came from a dealer in the SW who gave me a discount that Fanthorpes could not match, and my Bryston mono-blocks were from another dealer outside of my geographic area. They’re all at it so don’t be so quick to judge/publicly expose only one of them...
Vladimir said:
or another way of looking at it is that having good standards and beliefs is a good thing, and that people who don’t aspire to them when they are good ones, possibly makes them more inclined to criticism of others, through the psychological process of reflection.
Gazzip said:
Yeah don’t doubt that they are all at it, that’s one thing I hate about the hi Fi industry. You don’t get much back.
If I started a hi Fi shop I’d probably be loaded already , and I’d be 100 percent for the customer, and offering aftersales, going round sorting out problems etc. This would probably mean I’d offer local service, which is what local shops are geared for anyway.If someone asked me if a product had gone wrong I’d be truthful at the same time as being commercial, but if a product had a high failure rate I wouldn’t sell it. Fanthorpes could have said ‘yes a unit did go wrong a few weeks ago, but we haven’t had that before (if the case)’. I might then have bought the amp. There is no way I’d deny not having any issues. I might mention that the shop will offer an extra guarantee period etc etc.
The best pretentious quote I like is the Blake one ; ‘the path of excess leads to the tower of wisdom’
Gazzip
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QuestForThe13thNote said:
I don’t know the exact details of what happened to you, but I do know from both personal and anecdotal experience that hifi kit fails all the time. Cyrus is a classic example, so much so that they have a “factory repro” range of products. I would imagine that a piece of kit fizzing and dying doesn’t even register on a dealer’s horizon unless there is a pattern, and short of a manufacturer recall/product withdrawal why should a dealer ever need to remember isolated product failures, let alone recall them to a customer. Larger online dealers (like Fanthorpes) have a very large turnover of stock, so why do you think they would recall this?
Vladimir said:
I’d prefer to think of someone like Jim Morrison who thought this. Didn’t do him much good in the bathtub in Paris though?.
QuestForThe13thNote said:
I'd be a great world president. End all wars, end hunger, no more poverty, free healthcare, and everyone will live their lives to the fullest. I'll make machines do all the work so people can focus on art, poetry, travel, or just chillax.
Gazzip
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Gazzip said:
I agree with you there. It does fail as it has a relatively short life. I’d agree with you Cyrus isn’t great for reliability as premium hi Fi goes. Hf Ive no benchmark. They are asking a lot even though I think they sound great. They do repro stuff but it’s not unusual of electronics people to do that too eg Apple. It’s actually a good way of doing things as it allows another revenue stream.
But I fundamentally disagree with you on your next point about recalling or recounting failures to customers. If the products are going wrong often, all the time, as you believe with Cyrus, then the customer absoluetly needs to know that if it’s the case. Even if it’s a couple of isolated similar issues with products. The reason is the retailer is in the business to suit his or her needs to the market of customers, that makes him exist, and in so doing you expect trustworthy sales and information. Just like you wouldn’t expect to buy a car from a dealer with say 10k miles and be told it’s from a trade in private customer who had it a year, to find out after purchase it’s a traded in taxi or hire car.
if you are spending £200 on speakers with a 2 year warranty versus £3k on speakers with a similar warranty you would surely have more interest to want to know if they regularly go wrong, simply as at year 3 if they do go wrong they could be very expensive to repair. This is all common sense.
if dealers sold the best stuff, from the most reliable manufactures, everyone would be happy. If cyrus isn’t reliable against say leema, for similar money, I think the dealer should impart that knowledge for me. They could use ways around it, particular amp sounds better but more repairs, could mean you still buy etc. You have ultimate choice. Same with a car isn’t it. That said I don’t think this sort of thing can happen in Hi Fi. As you say they are mostly all at sales at any cost. If I was an independent I’d make customer service and aftersales the absolute priority and be more than just a hearing test, friendly and transaction. I’d try to add more value than anyone else.
Electro
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Vlad,
I like this quote.
"SJWs that are so worried over someone elses ethics don't lead very happy lives. Worry about your own. As Dr. Jordan Pieterson says, to improve the world, improve yourself. Live ethically, don't demand (or expect it) from others."
And Agree with this one.
" I'm a firm believer in homo homini lupus est. Find your pack and hunting grounds, lead a happy life as much as possible. "
And I am very quilty of this but contantantly fight it .
"When someone holds everyone else to very high standards, it's usually him/her/z that fails them the most."
I am not sure what this makes me *biggrin*
Back on topic now *blush*
I like this quote.
"SJWs that are so worried over someone elses ethics don't lead very happy lives. Worry about your own. As Dr. Jordan Pieterson says, to improve the world, improve yourself. Live ethically, don't demand (or expect it) from others."
And Agree with this one.
" I'm a firm believer in homo homini lupus est. Find your pack and hunting grounds, lead a happy life as much as possible. "
And I am very quilty of this but contantantly fight it .
"When someone holds everyone else to very high standards, it's usually him/her/z that fails them the most."
I am not sure what this makes me *biggrin*
Back on topic now *blush*
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