Question electrocompaniet eci 80d quality and reliability

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Dear audio enthusiast,

I recently purchased electrocompaniet eci 80d liking its sound. I did chcek some reviews before and after and I have to say I do have doubts about its built quality and possible concequencies in its acuracy in sound performance. Namely if you chcek pictures from whats going on under the hood, you can see thet there are two small inductores. Both of the output cables are conected way to close to them. I am not amplifier specialist by any mean but in elementary school we studied that the inductor does produce magnetic field. The output terminal cables are suncked in this magnetic field and I would like to know what negative efects does this have on amplifier performance. I have to say that I realy do not understand what I see under the hood of some british as well as electrocompaniet (being norvegian) compared to japenees amplifiers tideness.

Picture: https://www.hificlube.net/media/12630/electrocompaniet-copy1.jpg?preset=articleBigImageArticle3

Thank you for any clarification and help
Jan
 

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I’m by no means knowledgeable on amplifier circuits, but I believe an inductor on the output is quite common to provide stability, especially with capacitive loads.

As a secondary point, I’d trust such an established manufacturer to know what they are doing!
Thank you for the opinion, I do trust the fact they know what they are doing and I do also trust the fact that such established and pricy manufacturers sometimes do drop the ball with their entry level products, or once they have to scale the prices up to many K $ thay simply do junk with entry level, like focal? for example. And I also do trust my eyes so I would like to get answer on my question.
 

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Thank you for the opinion, I do trust the fact they know what they are doing and I do also trust the fact that such established and pricy manufacturers sometimes do drop the ball with their entry level products, or once they have to scale the prices up to many K $ thay simply do junk with entry level, like focal? for example. And I also do trust my eyes so I would like to get answer on my question.
You keep trusting your eyes and we'll keep trusting our ears. An established manufacturer surely knows what they are doing, otherwise they'd be out of business pretty darn quickly.

This is a hifi forum not an electronics forum. If you want measurements then head over to the ASR forum.
 

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You keep trusting your eyes and we'll keep trusting our ears. An established manufacturer surely knows what they are doing, otherwise they'd be out of business pretty darn quickly.

This is a hifi forum not an electronics forum. If you want measurements then head over to the ASR forum.
And who are you that you are telling me that I have to leave the forum?! is it yours private club here or what? Or are the people who trust in measurments in wrong adress in What HiFi?
 
Thank you for the opinion, I do trust the fact they know what they are doing and I do also trust the fact that such established and pricy manufacturers sometimes do drop the ball with their entry level products, or once they have to scale the prices up to many K $ thay simply do junk with entry level, like focal? for example. And I also do trust my eyes so I would like to get answer on my question.
You made statements, I don't see a question.
 
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And who are you that you are telling me that I have to leave the forum?! is it yours private club here or what?
Woah, easy. All I said was you might have the wrong forum to have your questions answered fully. It just appears that you are out to bash manufacturers as you have named Electrocompaniet and Polk already.
 
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Woah, easy. All I said was you might have the wrong forum to have your questions answered fully. It just appears that you are out to bash manufacturers as you have named Roksan and Polk already.
what you said is this : "This is a hifi forum not an electronics forum. If you want measurements then head over to the ASR forum."

so by your answer what hifi has nothing to do with quality of electronics, if that is correct I would expect administartor to warn me about that

and I do not know what appears to you but I tell you, that to be sceptical about hifi does not heart,
but you keep pat on your back. And yes I come to forums when I want to chek for issues also
 

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Obviously you are the one to answer that as you have said amplifier.
I don't see any other issues mentioned online by others.
Well, I had to assume that you are not going to speak to task, once I saw that you are not replying to the post but to my answer to that another inteligent guy who likes to give life advices
 

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Hi-Fi enthusiasts are mainly interested in the music, not how the equipment is made to achieve it.
Most Hi-Fi enthusiasts also have little or no electrical/electronic experience, therefore will not be able to answer your question.
Hi-Fi enthusiasts use measurements to narrow equipment down for audition, however the final decision is made by listening to different combinations until it meets their requirements.
If you wish to know the nitty gritty of why the equipment is designed in such a way, then a forum that deals specifically with this type of stuff, will have much more knowledgeable participants then most Hi-Fi enthusiasts.

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Hi-Fi enthusiasts are mainly interested in the music, not how the equipment is made to achieve it.
Most Hi-Fi enthusiasts also have little or no electrical/electronic experience, therefore will not be able to answer your question.
Hi-Fi enthusiasts use measurements to narrow equipment down for audition, however the final decision is made by listening to different combinations until it meets their requirements.
If you wish to know the nitty gritty of why the equipment is designed in such a way, then a forum that deals specifically with this type of stuff, will have much more knowledgeable participants then most Hi-Fi enthusiasts.

Bill
Acknowledged, will do, thx
 

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....I would like to know what negative efects does this have on amplifier performance.
I reckon your ears answer your question - as you said you liked the sound of your amp.

It's not the tidiest layout you'll ever see, but those cables will not be suffering any adverse effect from the inductors.
If they were suffering, you'd need to be far more concerned with those components (within your red circles) that are closest to the inductors.

If you look inside any amp, you can probably spot something that looks less than ideal.

If I'm honest, when I look at your photo, I'm more concerned about the cables' two-pin connectors.
They are convenient for the assembly process - and great for easier disassembly.
But I prefer to see the cables soldered directly to the PCB - again though, they work and they're certainly not unique to your amp.

Best not to worry, just continue to enjoy your likeable sound 👍
 

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Dear audio enthusiast,

I recently purchased electrocompaniet eci 80d liking its sound. I did chcek some reviews before and after and I have to say I do have doubts about its built quality and possible concequencies in its acuracy in sound performance. Namely if you chcek pictures from whats going on under the hood, you can see thet there are two small inductores. Both of the output cables are conected way to close to them. I am not amplifier specialist by any mean but in elementary school we studied that the inductor does produce magnetic field. The output terminal cables are suncked in this magnetic field and I would like to know what negative efects does this have on amplifier performance. I have to say that I realy do not understand what I see under the hood of some british as well as electrocompaniet (being norvegian) compared to japenees amplifiers tideness.

Thank you for any clarification and help
Jan

I'm not totally sure what you are looking for from the forum. You have made a statement , rather than ask a question. I take it that you are asking if your concerns are warranted, if so, I would say no! First and foremost, you say you like how it sounds. ultimately, that is all that matters. Beyond that, I note that the image is not your own, you took it from HiFiClube. I have just read their review; they make no comment on your concerns, but like you praise the sound. Don't worry about it, just enjoy what you have!
 
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I reckon your ears answer your question - as you said you liked the sound of your amp.

It's not the tidiest layout you'll ever see, but those cables will not be suffering any adverse effect from the inductors.
If they were suffering, you'd need to be far more concerned with those components (within your red circles) that are closest to the inductors.

If you look inside any amp, you can probably spot something that looks less than ideal.

If I'm honest, when I look at your photo, I'm more concerned about the cables' two-pin connectors.
They are convenient for the assembly process - and great for easier disassembly.
But I prefer to see the cables soldered directly to the PCB - again though, they work and they're certainly not unique to your amp.

Best not to worry, just continue to enjoy your likeable sound 👍
Thank you for your reply and also for explanation. What I did not mention: My concerns about the quality of built of the amp started when I had to replace the first unit because of there was considerable difference in popping between the channels when I was changing the volume while the music was not playing. Fortunately after this came back from waranty service and the problem was not solved the dealer replaced the unit inmediatelly. To make it clear the service was authorized, licenced service but it was not electrocompaniet who reviewed it so not their fault at all. The new unit does have very slight difference between this popping loudness which to me somehow does not fit into my head, I would understand the same level. However I believe it is possibly no issue with sonic performance-> being slight disbalance between the channels in some way (certainly the channel loudnes it will be not but somthing could be). Ok, that said, I truely like the sonic performance of this amplifier to the point that I am thinking to buy the upper model of electrocompanient integrated dispite it is overkill for my packet size but as somewhat endgame amplifier I can accept the price. Looks stunning and more importantly sounds that It would be much longer reply to describe, however the good being said about this amp is true, dipite I do not agree that it is dynamic amplifier like some do claim it is avarage. Before I will purchase the upper model I will make my own research about if there are any issues or not. Oh yeah, If any recomemndation for loudspeakers with more sensitivity than kef ls50 meta and similar "characterless" sound, you have, please tell me.

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Jan
 
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I'm not totally sure what you are looking for from the forum. You have made a statement , rather than ask a question. I take it that you are asking if your concerns are warranted, if so, I would say no! First and foremost, you say you like how it sounds. ultimately, that is all that matters. Beyond that, I note that the image is not your own, you took it from HiFiClube. I have just read their review; they make no comment on your concerns, but like you praise the sound. Don't worry about it, just enjoy what you have!
Of course it is not my, but I belive my looks pretty simmilar and sorry I cant open the unit as far as I know. Is it any problem with using downloaded picture in this case?
 

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....If any recomemndation for loudspeakers with more sensitivity than kef ls50 meta and similar "characterless" sound, you have, please tell me.
Hopefully someone can help you with that.
Maybe start a separate thread and state how much you would like to spend.

Regardless of recommendations of course - best to audition for yourself, preferably with your amp and in your room.
 

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I'm not totally sure what you are looking for from the forum. You have made a statement , rather than ask a question. I take it that you are asking if your concerns are warranted, if so, I would say no! First and foremost, you say you like how it sounds. ultimately, that is all that matters. Beyond that, I note that the image is not your own, you took it from HiFiClube. I have just read their review; they make no comment on your concerns, but like you praise the sound. Don't worry about it, just enjoy what you have!
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Hopefully someone can help you with that.
Maybe start a separate thread and state how much you would like to spend.

Regardless of recommendations of course - best to audition for yourself, preferably with your amp and in your room.
I will start new thread, and of course will do audition before purchase as those which I have found till now are not anymore budget options
 
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And who are you that you are telling me that I have to leave the forum?! is it yours private club here or what? Or are the people who trust in measurments in wrong adress in What HiFi?
Nobody was telling you to leave the forum, just advising you of another forum where you may be more likely to find the information you need.
 

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