MajorFubar said:There are bound to be differences. It's not like lossless digital audio: there's no direct correlation between the data on the discs and the bitstream that's fed through the HDMI cable.
David@FrankHarvey said:I've seen players (in the same system) that produce a noisier picture than others.
BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW said:I think they are more or less the same. Some may upscale dvds better, some have more and varied connections, some are better made than others, some load quicker than others, but if you are just watching blu rays, the SQ and PQ is the same IMHO.
m0n5t3r said:BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW said:I think they are more or less the same. Some may upscale dvds better, some have more and varied connections, some are better made than others, some load quicker than others, but if you are just watching blu rays, the SQ and PQ is the same IMHO.
That simply aint true, or you must be partially deaf & blind...
I got a rubbish free Panasonic DMP-BD79 with my TV and that compared to my friends Sony BDP-S790 & especially his Arcam FMJ BDP300 is enough for Stevie Wonder to notice!
The only way it's the same is when I pause it, but the clarity and especially the motion and speed are worlds apart.
As for the sound, I run mine through a DAC and a stereo amp (no av processor) and the sound quality is like the difference between a 160 mp3 and a FLAC!
Saying that a £50 player is the same as a £300+ player is like saying that my wife's fiesta is basically the same as a ferrari...
BenLaw said:m0n5t3r said:BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW said:I think they are more or less the same. Some may upscale dvds better, some have more and varied connections, some are better made than others, some load quicker than others, but if you are just watching blu rays, the SQ and PQ is the same IMHO.
That simply aint true, or you must be partially deaf & blind...
I got a rubbish free Panasonic DMP-BD79 with my TV and that compared to my friends Sony BDP-S790 & especially his Arcam FMJ BDP300 is enough for Stevie Wonder to notice!
The only way it's the same is when I pause it, but the clarity and especially the motion and speed are worlds apart.
As for the sound, I run mine through a DAC and a stereo amp (no av processor) and the sound quality is like the difference between a 160 mp3 and a FLAC!
Saying that a £50 player is the same as a £300+ player is like saying that my wife's fiesta is basically the same as a ferrari...
So did you take your player to use in his system or did you borrow his to use in yours?
I'm confused by your comment about the audio, what two connections are you comparing?
bigboss said:AV Forums reviewers are also ISF and THX trained. This is what they say in their every blu ray player review:
"Every player should be able to output the content on a Blu-ray disc equally as well over HDMI because it is a digital signal."
BenLaw said:As far as I can see the panasonic DMP-BD79 doesn't have a digital out, just HDMI, so how could you be comparing?
theflyingwasp said:I'm going to end up with a 20ft high rack!
theflyingwasp said:From reading this thread it seems if you bought a mid level Blu ray player and your movie collection is pretty much all blu ray there is no benifet from buying a high end Blu ray player unless you intend to use it as a CD player aswell.
i went from the Panasonic 220 to the oppo 103 and I would be lying if I said I found a difference in picture quality.i have about 200 DVDs that I will never rebuy on Blu ray and that's when the oppo works it magic.im watching napoleon dynamite right now and it looks no different to an average Blu ray.
Spend the extra money on a better tv and get a decent hdmi cable the set the tv up properly and the Blu ray player shouldn't really matter that much.i love the oppo but I'd rather have the £500 in my pocket .the Panasonic 220 won the what hifi budget award player in 2012 and that player instead of being relegated to the bedroom should have done me proud until 4k Blu ray players are released .hopefully they will be backwards compatible with 1080p I'm not holding my breath tho combined with the non backwards compatibility of the consoles I'm going to end up with a 20ft high rack!
BenLaw said:BenLaw said:As far as I can see the panasonic DMP-BD79 doesn't have a digital out, just HDMI, so how could you be comparing?
Well in the absence of an answer to this it can only be concluded that you haven't conducted any meaningful audio comparison between £50 and £300 players. I am also skeptical about your conclusions as to video. Obviously if having the more expensive player is important to you that's fair enough.
m0n5t3r said:BenLaw said:BenLaw said:As far as I can see the panasonic DMP-BD79 doesn't have a digital out, just HDMI, so how could you be comparing?
Well in the absence of an answer to this it can only be concluded that you haven't conducted any meaningful audio comparison between £50 and £300 players. I am also skeptical about your conclusions as to video. Obviously if having the more expensive player is important to you that's fair enough.
Wrong!
I have tried more than I care to count from friends and family probably 12 or 13 without counting, most were older so have a digital out of somekind, those that didn't I had to run the audio cable from the tv to the DAC but that was only 3 of them in total.
The biggest difference by far was the audio between players but the picture quality really only noticeably changed between makes. The £100 to £200 approx sony and panasonics were identical in picture quality but the sound was noticeably better with the more expensive ones. But then everything was noticeablyy better with the £1k Arcam.
Personally I have just bought a £250 Pioneer BDP450, which to my ears and eyes was the best value for what I wanted. If I had a large collection of DVD-A and SACD I would have bought the Arcam but I do most of my music streaming via Qobuz FLAC.