Devialet demo this morning

[SteveR750]

Cno's comment is spot on. I think the key thing is as you put it "being blown away". No matter how good a reputation something has, if it doesn't make you grin, or laugh hysterically when you hear it

Hi Steve

Your text messages upon hearing the H160 and curved SCM40 monitors confirms this

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

Yup!

 

[Womaz]

Shall I just give up *biggrin*

I have today learned that my Qnap NAS drive cant be used with a USB cable to the 200.

I think I am now going to leave this to the dealer to suggest options.

 

[matt49]

Shall I just give up *biggrin*

I have today learned that my Qnap NAS drive cant be used with a USB cable to the 200.

I think I am now going to leave this to the dealer to suggest options.

Surely your dealer could just lend you a CDP?

 

[Womaz]

Shall I just give up *biggrin*

I have today learned that my Qnap NAS drive cant be used with a USB cable to the 200.

I think I am now going to leave this to the dealer to suggest options.

Surely your dealer could just lend you a CDP?

I have a CD player for the demo i guess. But this now means if I want to go for the 200 I dont have a digital source apart from this. I need the convenience of all my music on hand, now that I have this now. Also means more expense as new network player now definitely needed. i thought I may be able to just use the NAS for a few months till funds were available.

 

[matt49]

I have a CD player for the demo i guess. But this now means if I want to go for the 200 I dont have a digital source apart from this. I need the convenience of all my music on hand, now that I have this now. Also means more expense as new network player now definitely needed. i thought I may be able to just use the NAS for a few months till funds were available.

Please don't take this the wrong way, Womaz, but I sense that you're in too much of a hurry. If you like the D200 (with a CDP) driving your PMCs, then you've learnt something. Which is good. You can always hold off the purchase until you've sorted out what to do about your streamer.

Devialet say that by the time of the Munich show in May they'll have made their new DIALOG streamer compatible with the D200. The DIALOG only costs EUR299. Its control software (SPARK) looks really neat.

And remember: we're always here for you ...

 

[Womaz]

I have a CD player for the demo i guess. But this now means if I want to go for the 200 I dont have a digital source apart from this. I need the convenience of all my music on hand, now that I have this now. Also means more expense as new network player now definitely needed. i thought I may be able to just use the NAS for a few months till funds were available.

Please don't take this the wrong way, Womaz, but I sense that you're in too much of a hurry. If you like the D200 (with a CDP) driving your PMCs, then you've learnt something. Which is good. You can always hold off the purchase until you've sorted out what to do about your streamer.

Devialet say that by the time of the Munich show in May they'll have made their new DIALOG streamer compatible with the D200. The DIALOG only costs EUR299. Its control software (SPARK) looks really neat.

And remember: we're always here for you ...

Not really in a hurry , its just the way I am, I need to get everything clear in my head.

That news about the Dialog is certainly very interesting as this is exactly what i was looking at the D200 for. Simplicity. So far thats not a word I would associate with it *biggrin*

I think with the news my CLIC is not compatible then i may have to wait anyway. Always feel a bit guilty on the dealer if this happens though. I am now off to research " Dialog"

 

[garata]

That news about the Dialog is certainly very interesting as this is exactly what i was looking at the D200 for. Simplicity. So far thats not a word I would associate with it *biggrin*

Simplicity.

The D200 does seem to promise it in the sense that it can replace a whole rack full of components and their associated wiring, giving you back valuable real estate and clearing lots of clutter.

But, to operate it, it is a far more complex device than say your MF M6. You need to learn how to configure, install updates, connect it to your network, etc. The good news is that it is not too difficult (but there are some traps for the un-initiated) and once set-up to your preference it should be plain sailing from there.

 

[Womaz]

That news about the Dialog is certainly very interesting as this is exactly what i was looking at the D200 for. Simplicity. So far thats not a word I would associate with it *biggrin*

Simplicity.

The D200 does seem to promise it in the sense that it can replace a whole rack full of components and their associated wiring, giving you back valuable real estate and clearing lots of clutter.

But, to operate it, it is a far more complex device than say your MF M6. You need to learn how to configure, install updates, connect it to your network, etc. The good news is that it is not too difficult (but there are some traps for the un-initiated) and once set-up to your preference it should be plain sailing from there.

I think you could be spot on there. Had a look at the website and configurator, and its not the best of guidance I dont think, but lets see how the demo goes. They may set it up and never get it back *biggrin*

 

[Jota180]

I have a CD player for the demo i guess. But this now means if I want to go for the 200 I dont have a digital source apart from this. I need the convenience of all my music on hand, now that I have this now. Also means more expense as new network player now definitely needed. i thought I may be able to just use the NAS for a few months till funds were available.

Please don't take this the wrong way, Womaz, but I sense that you're in too much of a hurry. If you like the D200 (with a CDP) driving your PMCs, then you've learnt something. Which is good. You can always hold off the purchase until you've sorted out what to do about your streamer.

Devialet say that by the time of the Munich show in May they'll have made their new DIALOG streamer compatible with the D200. The DIALOG only costs EUR299. Its control software (SPARK) looks really neat.

And remember: we're always here for you ...

Went to have a look at the DIALOG and SPARK and loved the spiel..

"SPARK was conceived with ergonomics and absolute simplicity in mind, it is supported by a gifted technology (1 million operations a second), with numerous rejoicing possibilities:"

Gifted technology and rejoicing possibilities!

 

[MattSPL]

Just to throw something different into the mix, buy a JL Audio F212. This will literally blow you away

 

[matt49]

Hi Womaz,

How's it going? I guess you have the D200 at home now. A quick report would be great.

Matt

 

[SteveR750]

Can you switch the SAM in and out for a direct comparison? How much difference does it make?

 

[Infiniteloop]

Can you switch the SAM in and out for a direct comparison? How much difference does it make?

SAM is switchable from the remote. - It makes a HUGE difference, - like having a larger pair of speakers which expands the soundstage and adds much deeper bass, but retains the overall 'character' of the sound. It makes my Focal 1008Bes (which aren't bass shy anyway), sound like big floorstanders, but without bloating the bass.

 

[matt49]

You can get a rough sense of the effect on bass extension and (more importantly) bass accuracy from the figures and graphics on the Devialet website. For Womaz's PMC twenty.23s with SAM off bass is measured down to 42Hz; with SAM on 23.4Hz. (They don't give a reference figure, which is a bit annoying.) In the graphics the black trace is the desired response, the orange trace is the actual response. The horizontal axis is time, the vertical is SPL.

SAM off

SAM on

 

[DocG]

For Womaz's PMC twenty.23s with SAM off bass is measured down to 42Hz; with SAM on 23.4Hz. (They don't give a reference figure, which is a bit annoying.)

I asked Devialet about this, and it's a -6dB cut-off, as measured in their laboratory (which explains the possible difference [SAM off] with the manufacturer's specs).

 

[matt49]

For Womaz's PMC twenty.23s with SAM off bass is measured down to 42Hz; with SAM on 23.4Hz. (They don't give a reference figure, which is a bit annoying.)

I asked Devialet about this, and it's a -6dB cut-off, as measured in their laboratory (which explains the possible difference [SAM off] with the manufacturer's specs).

Ah, thanks, very helpful.

 

[SteveR750]

You can get a rough sense of the effect on bass extension and (more importantly) bass accuracy from the figures and graphics on the Devialet website. For Womaz's PMC twenty.23s with SAM off bass is measured down to 42Hz; with SAM on 23.4Hz. (They don't give a reference figure, which is a bit annoying.) In the graphics the black trace is the desired response, the orange trace is the actual response. The horizontal axis is time, the vertical is SPL.

SAM off

SAM on

Are those measure as speaker output?

 

[matt49]

Are those measure as speaker output?

Yes. The idea of SAM is to compare speaker input with speaker output. The difference between the two -- the speaker error, if you like -- can them be transformed into its reverse and loaded in the Devialet's DSP engine. (I gather there's some fairly clever maths involved, which would be way beyond me.) So with SAM turned on, the amp is sending the speaker a signal that's already compensated for the speaker's errors.

It's not a new idea: it's just that Devialet seem to have done it rather well, and they have the resources to measure lots of speakers in their labs in Paris.

 

[SteveR750]

Matt, is that measured speaker audio output, or is it the eletrical output of the power amp? Sorry, I wasn't very clear with my question

 

[matt49]

In the graphics the black trace is power amp output (or speaker input) and the orange trace is (anechoic) speaker output.

 

[SteveR750]

In the graphics the black trace is power amp output (or speaker input) and the orange trace is (anechoic) speaker output.

How convenient!

Do they have a SAM for ATC yet??!

 

[matt49]

Oddly, the only ATCs that are SAM-ready are the SCM12s. I'm sure they'll get around to the 40s and others soon.

Here's the current list.

 

[Jota180]

You can get a rough sense of the effect on bass extension and (more importantly) bass accuracy from the figures and graphics on the Devialet website. For Womaz's PMC twenty.23s with SAM off bass is measured down to 42Hz; with SAM on 23.4Hz. (They don't give a reference figure, which is a bit annoying.) In the graphics the black trace is the desired response, the orange trace is the actual response. The horizontal axis is time, the vertical is SPL.

SAM off

SAM on

I went through most of the speakers on their SAM site and notice they always use the same track for testing and 'recalibration' (for want of a better word) - Angel by Massive Attack. Now we get the before and after playing that particular track.

My question is, can the actions of one track, which admittedly has monster low down electronic bass, and the subsequent 'fix' work across the spectrum of music? Can using one example song ensure this accuracy across all tracks low frequencies?

 

[Infiniteloop]

You can get a rough sense of the effect on bass extension and (more importantly) bass accuracy from the figures and graphics on the Devialet website. For Womaz's PMC twenty.23s with SAM off bass is measured down to 42Hz; with SAM on 23.4Hz. (They don't give a reference figure, which is a bit annoying.) In the graphics the black trace is the desired response, the orange trace is the actual response. The horizontal axis is time, the vertical is SPL.

SAM off

SAM on

I went through most of the speakers on their SAM site and notice they always use the same track for testing and 'recalibration' (for want of a better word) - Angel by Massive Attack. Now we get the before and after playing that particular track.

My question is, can the actions of one track, which admittedly has monster low down electronic bass, and the subsequent 'fix' work across the spectrum of music? Can using one example song ensure this accuracy across all tracks low frequencies?

I suppose that the proof of the pudding is that SAM works for me on everything I play through my system.

I stopped fiddling with on or off comparisons a long time ago and now just leave it on all the time. - It's clearly better with it on regardless of music type.