Devialet demo this morning

[DocG]

Womaz,

For now, listen to some favourite tunes. Have a beer. Have another beer. Sleep well. Go out with the family tomorrow. And then a lazy, worryless (is that a word in English?) Sunday. By then some of the dust in your head will have settled, and you can have a fresh look at your 'issues'.

Doc's advice!*smile*

 

[davedotco]

This is something of a bugbare with me, i like to see 'elegant' solutions, in audio terms anyway. I am a believer in simplicity and in the modern world of downloads and online streaming most solutions seem over complex.

For me, something like the Amazon fire TV used to access Spotify Connect into a pair of AVI ADMs is an elegant solution, cheap to for the perfomance obtained. The signal remains digital right up to the integtated pre-amp in the master speaker, this has to be the way forward.

German company Nubert offer fully active speakers, digital inputs, onboard dsp etc, starting from under €600, just ad a source, but traditional hi-fi still seens heavily invested in the 'separates' approach, complex and expensive.

The Cambridge CXN is a powerful, flexible digital hub, with full network streaming, thousands of online streaming solutions including Spotify Connect, digital and analogue inputs and outputs. Smashing looking piece of kit but so expensive, material cost can not possiblyjustify the retail price, is developing such products really that expensive?

 

[Womaz]

This is something of a bugbare with me, i like to see 'elegant' solutions, in audio terms anyway. I am a believer in simplicity and in the modern world of downloads and online streaming most solutions seem over complex.

For me, something like the Amazon fire TV used to access Spotify Connect into a pair of AVI ADMs is an elegant solution, cheap to for the perfomance obtained. The signal remains digital right up to the integtated pre-amp in the master speaker, this has to be the way forward.

German company Nubert offer fully active speakers, digital inputs, onboard dsp etc, starting from under €600, just ad a source, but traditional hi-fi still seens heavily invested in the 'separates' approach, complex and expensive.

The Cambridge CXN is a powerful, flexible digital hub, with full network streaming, thousands of online streaming solutions including Spotify Connect, digital and analogue inputs and outputs. Smashing looking piece of kit but so expensive, material cost can not possiblyjustify the retail price, is developing such products really that expensive?

The CXN is actually quite cheap compard to som of the kit I have been looking at on other forums. Some people must have money to burn.

 

[Infiniteloop]

Yes I think I will still demo it. Its a shame as the CLICs interface is actually quite good. etc. However if I use the CLIC it will effectively stop the use of the 200s DAC. This to me would seem crazy.

You won't stop using the Dev's DAC (you can't actually). You would use the CLIC's DAC --> line level into the Dev --> ADC --> DSP --> DAC (still with me?) --> amp --> speakers.

That is an extra ("unnecessary") A to D to A conversion, something we don't like... But I doubt you could hear it.

I too thought this would work, but it seems a little clumsy.

 

[jaxwired]

Spoke to my local dealer and he reckons the my existing set up, but adding an M6DAC and the Aurender N100 would beat the Devialet hands down! Thats my problem my head is in a spin. Sure there is a song in there somewhere.*biggrin*

Now that I truly doubt. BTW, a friend of mine just bought an aurender N100 and he hates it. Sounds decent, but it has a lot of glitches and is far from plug and play. I also do not believe for a minute that an M6DAC with an M6amp will beat a Devialet D200. The D200 specs crush the M6 plus its got that whole class A/D thing working for it.

I think you'd have to step up to the Nuvista 800 and a superb DAC before MF competes with a D200. Just my opinion.

I know I'm late to this thread, but a few thoughts....first, I do think the PMC 23s are great speakers. And Devialet offers SAM processing for them. I bet the 23s with SAM come really close to the performance of the 26s. I'd be inclined to get the D200 and keep the 23s. You won't do much better than that combo. As for a source, if you use the analog input on the D200 for your MClick, you'll be missing out big time on the potential performance of the devialet. Feeding the devialet a digital input is a must in my opinion. Before I used an analog input Id buy an Apple Airport Express or Apple TV and use it to stream music and connect to the Devialet via the optical toslink output they come with. Those devices are less than $100.

 

[Womaz]

Spoke to my local dealer and he reckons the my existing set up, but adding an M6DAC and the Aurender N100 would beat the Devialet hands down! Thats my problem my head is in a spin. Sure there is a song in there somewhere.*biggrin*

Now that I truly doubt. BTW, a friend of mine just bought an aurender N100 and he hates it. Sounds decent, but it has a lot of glitches and is far from plug and play. I also do not believe for a minute that an M6DAC with an M6amp will beat a Devialet D200. The D200 specs crush the M6 plus its got that whole class A/D thing working for it.

I think you'd have to step up to the Nuvista 800 and a superb DAC before MF competes with a D200. Just my opinion.

I know I'm late to this thread, but a few thoughts....first, I do think the PMC 23s are great speakers. And Devialet offers SAM processing for them. I bet the 23s with SAM come really close to the performance of the 26s. I'd be inclined to get the D200 and keep the 23s. You won't do much better than that combo. As for a source, if you use the analog input on the D200 for your MClick, you'll be missing out big time on the potential performance of the devialet. Feeding the devialet a digital input is a must in my opinion. Before I used an analog input Id buy an Apple Airport Express or Apple TV and use it to stream music and connect to the Devialet via the optical toslink output they come with. Those devices are less than $100.

Great post, thank you. This is my worry. There are now two chains of thought. The CLIC wont make that much difference , and the fact that like you say using the CLIC will mean i am missing out on the 200s real performance and that it has to be fed a digital inpit.

The SAM technologhy is exactly why iwant to hear this with my 23s.

This is all just for a demo!! Long term I will replace the network player i think, but this is now more expense brought into the upgrade.

I need to find a way for the demo to be effective......right now I dont have an option. I am getting a home demo but it looks like it will be with my CLIC and I am a liitle concerned that is a waste of time, as it is not using the 200 to its fullest capabilities.

I am no expert by any means but after watching a few videos and doing a lot of reading, i think if I use my CLIC then i will miss oiut on the ADH function of the 200??? Even if thats incorrect I wil def not be using it to its full capabilities.

I like to know how things work, and right now this is a product i really want to hear in my set up, but have no idea how to do that. Its getting to the point where its not fun........and thats where i might draw the line.*dash1*

 

[DocG]

Womaz,

Using a CLIC with the Devialet will add an extra D to A (in the CLIC) and A to D (at the Devialet's input). From there on everything will be the same! You will be able to apply SAM to your speakers, and of course you will use the ADH engine.

It's not the best of sources for this amp (obviously), but it's not gonna ruin the amp's capabilities either. Why not just give it a try? Knowing that changing to a 'real' digital source later can only make it better.

Just make sure the dealer programs the Dev's analogue in as 'line level', not 'phono'. Because that would really ruin the result!*wink*

 

[Womaz]

Yes I am definitelt going to give it a go as I am very keen to hear this with my 23s after all the stuff I have read.

I guess what I am worried about is having an effective deom. This is a major purchase for me, and I guess I need to feel that WOW factor. i want it all to be set up to give best results. If i demo it and think its not enoiugh of an imrovement I want to make that decision based on the fact that I was using it to its full potential - hope this makes sense.

 

[Womaz]

When i started this journey about a month ago I had so much conflicting advice , and that come from all sources. I dont mind this as this is my starting point.

Now after a lot and I mean a lot of research I have the perfect system in my head ....well for me. But that still depends on me liking what I hear. The 200 was definitely powerful enough, and that was my worry. I just need to hear it in my room with my 23s.

If i like the 200 then ultimatley I would get a new digital sourse ( right now no idea what that would be), and maybe next year look at the PMC26s. So that now is my vision.......but good god we all know there are so many other options.

At least this morning I have woke up with the energy to persue it *biggrin*

 

[DocG]

Yes I am definitelt going to give it a go as I am very keen to hear this with my 23s after all the stuff I have read.

I guess what I am worried about is having an effective deom. This is a major purchase for me, and I guess I need to feel that WOW factor. i want it all to be set up to give best results. If i demo it and think its not enoiugh of an imrovement I want to make that decision based on the fact that I was using it to its full potential - hope this makes sense.

That makes sense. Definitely.

Though you could turn that around. If you're gobsmacked by the CLIC + Devialet (+ SAM'ed 23s), there won't be much doubt left. Right?

I appreciate that the effort needed to do such a demo is at play too though.

 

[Womaz]

Yes I am definitelt going to give it a go as I am very keen to hear this with my 23s after all the stuff I have read.

I guess what I am worried about is having an effective deom. This is a major purchase for me, and I guess I need to feel that WOW factor. i want it all to be set up to give best results. If i demo it and think its not enoiugh of an imrovement I want to make that decision based on the fact that I was using it to its full potential - hope this makes sense.

That makes sense. Definitely.

Though you could turn that around. If you're gobsmacked by the CLIC + Devialet (+ SAM'ed 23s), there won't be much doubt left. Right?

I appreciate that the effort needed to do such a demo is at play too though.

I really hope this is the case. I loved the kit, read all the fuss, but to be honest I was not blown away. I am hoping it was the speakers it was demoed with and maybe the room. I am probably used to my 23s so cant wait to hear it with them.

You know what its like though, if I go down this 200 route my initial budget will have doubled. For that I need blown away.

 

[Macspur]

Perhaps borrow a more suitable source from the dealer when you do the home demo? At least then you'll be left in no doubt one way or the other.

Mac

www.macsmusic.blogbubble.net

 

[Womaz]

Perhaps borrow a more suitable source from the dealer when you do the home demo? At least then you'll be left in no doubt one way or the other.

Mac

www.macsmusic.blogbubble.net

Yes I was going to put that to them too. Hear it with theirs and mine. Cheers

 

[Infiniteloop]

Perhaps borrow a more suitable source from the dealer when you do the home demo? At least then you'll be left in no doubt one way or the other.

Mac

www.macsmusic.blogbubble.net

Yes I was going to put that to them too. Hear it with theirs and mine. Cheers

If you can persuade your dealer to demo vinyl with the Devialet 200, I'm sure you'll be blown away. The Dev 200 has a superb phono stage ( - One of the founders is a serious vinyl addict!) - just another possible avenue that the Dev 200 gives you.

 

[Womaz]

Because were blokes, and this is Hi-Fi, everyone has an opinion and everyone thinks they're right. That opinion is forged from a mixture of personal preference, the variety of kit that one has heard and experience.

You can either let all this "advice" put you in a brain fog; or you can use it like a map, with your ears acting like a compass, to guide you through the maze.

Enjoy the process, not intimidated by it.

Yesterday i was drained by it all when I found out my CLIC was not a good partner at all. Today I have woke up with fresh vigour *biggrin*

My knowledge is very limited ans these and other forums are my starting point. I take in the info, mix it all up in my head and come to a conclusion. I am analytical by nature so this is what I have to do........oh and then I need to hear it.

The 200 is now my focus......it does seem a little technical though. Not sure that fits with what I would really like. HIfi is not my hobby, MUSIC is.....although I am strting to bloody wonder.

 

[CnoEvil]

Yesterday i was drained by it all when I found out my CLIC was not a good partner at all. Today I have woke up with fresh vigour *biggrin*

My knowledge is very limited ans these and other forums are my starting point. I take in the info, mix it all up in my head and come to a conclusion. I am analytical by nature so this is what I have to do........oh and then I need to hear it.

The 200 is now my focus......it does seem a little technical though. Not sure that fits with what I would really like. HIfi is not my hobby, MUSIC is.....although I am strting to bloody wonder.

If music is the priority, you are much more likey to end up with the right system.

FWIW. I think the Devialet is a great place to focus on, but don't let it blind you to alternatives.

 

[Frank Harvey]

Because were blokes, and this is Hi-Fi, everyone has an opinion and everyone thinks they're right. That opinion is forged from a mixture of personal preference, the variety of kit that one has heard and experience.

You can either let all this "advice" put you in a brain fog; or you can use it like a map, with your ears acting like a compass to guide you through the maze.

Enjoy the process, not be intimidated by it.

What he said.

 

[Womaz]

Yesterday i was drained by it all when I found out my CLIC was not a good partner at all. Today I have woke up with fresh vigour *biggrin*

My knowledge is very limited ans these and other forums are my starting point. I take in the info, mix it all up in my head and come to a conclusion. I am analytical by nature so this is what I have to do........oh and then I need to hear it.

The 200 is now my focus......it does seem a little technical though. Not sure that fits with what I would really like. HIfi is not my hobby, MUSIC is.....although I am strting to bloody wonder.

If music is the priority, you are much more likey to end up with the right system.

FWIW. I think the Devialet is a great place to focus on, but don't let it blind you to alternatives.

I think the 200 is the focus and the temporary stopping point. If I am not blown away I think I will take a 10 month sabbatical till December when I have ample time.......or I could go for my original idea the PMC 26s.......*biggrin*

 

[CnoEvil]

More info to put into the pot (from Andrew Everhard): http://andreweverard.com/2015/02/19/review-arcam-a49-a-transatlantic-triumph/

 

[jaxwired]

Womaz, have your dealer loan you a CD player. They all have digital outputs. You can use a coax or optical cable to hook up to the D200. This is by far the easiest way to get a digital signal into the D200 and will allow you to truly demo the full potential of the D200 which is what you need to do.

The other thing I should mention is that for you to hear SAM processing you have to download a custom configuration file from the devialet site for the PMC 23s specifically. If possible, get your dealer to do that before you bring it home. Otherwise you will have to do it yourself. It's easy to do, but it's a bit of a hassle for a first timer like you.

 

[Native_bon]

More info to put into the pot (from Andrew Everhard): http://andreweverard.com/2015/02/19/review-arcam-a49-a-transatlantic-triumph/

Seems most do not talk alot about Arcam amps that much, but if I were to buy a 2 channel amp right now will be an Arcam. The new breeds are real power houses.*biggrin*

 

[SteveR750]

Cno's comment is spot on. I think the key thing is as you put it "being blown away". No matter how good a reputation something has, if it doesn't make you grin, or laugh hysterically when you hear it, then you might just consider that it's not for you. It's a lot of money to spend, and if there is some doubt then it's worth exploring other options.

 

[CnoEvil]

Because we're blokes, and this is Hi-Fi, everyone has an opinion and everyone thinks they're right. That opinion is forged from a mixture of personal preference, the variety of kit that one has heard and experience.

You can either let all this "advice" put you in a brain fog; or you can use it like a map, with your ears acting like a compass to guide you through the maze.

Enjoy the process, not be intimidated by it.

 

[Womaz]

Cno's comment is spot on. I think the key thing is as you put it "being blown away". No matter how good a reputation something has, if it doesn't make you grin, or laugh hysterically when you hear it, then you might just consider that it's not for you. It's a lot of money to spend, and if there is some doubt then it's worth exploring other options.

Could not agree more! If it doesnt the 5k ish goes into the hifi fund and when it grows I can go searching again maybe *biggrin*

We are lucky that there is so so much choice out there, but this in itself makes it a minefield!

 

[MUSICRAFT]

Cno's comment is spot on. I think the key thing is as you put it "being blown away". No matter how good a reputation something has, if it doesn't make you grin, or laugh hysterically when you hear it

Hi Steve

Your text messages upon hearing the H160 and curved SCM40 monitors confirms this

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft