Devialet demo this morning

[DocG]

......honestly this is taking over my life *biggrin*

So the plan is working then! *diablo*

Yes, finally! I thought we would never get him there! *blum3*

 

[CnoEvil]

......honestly this is taking over my life *biggrin*

So the plan is working then! *diablo*

Yes, finally! I thought we would never get him there! *blum3*

Some take longer than others to be connected to their "inner audiophile". *music2*

 

[Infiniteloop]

Thanks again, the big dilemma. the people I am dealing with let me demo at home and then i take my business elsewhere. i dont think i could do that. But it will certainly help me to ask for it at 6K. Thats assumming I like it.

No, I don't like doing that either. However, if I were in your shoes, I'd make it clear that £5990 is the RRP in the UK and that's what you're prepared to pay. You could also point out that the price of £5990 is recommended by the UK distributor, Absolute Sounds. No harm in phoning around a bit first to get yourself some ammunition.

Yes I have decided that is what I will do before I arrange the home demo. They dont have the model I am after so they will have to get one from somewhere. Not sure how this works, as I might demo it and think its not for me. I cant see the point in home demoing the model they have, so this could be a stumbling block.

I HAVE to hear it with the 23s, and preferrably at home. Thanks again Matt

I bought my 200 late last year for £5990. - Oh and SAM makes such a difference, you have to hear it.

 

[Infiniteloop]

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Did you get chance to fiddle with the tone controls? On the Devialet they are very useful. They don't affect the quality of the sound but allow a useful degree of tailoring to get the sound you prefer as recordings can differ a lot. I guess you could have controlled the Bass on the Ushers if you'd used them.

It's worth considering when you listen next time.

 

[SteveR750]

I think you'd find the PMC 26 a big step up from the 23 or the 24. I didn't really like the latter, a slightly smeary bass that was clouding the lower midrange.

Like a mind blowing step up though *biggrin*

Its funny though as that what I went into my dealers three weeks ago to discuss. He seemed to think the source would be better to upgrade than the speakers or amp. He has been excellent in the past so obvioulsy i took this on board. But i guess this is the first time I have questioned his verdict.

I am a novice at all of this so in the past I have sort of went for what he said, after demos of course.

I get the 2k for the DAC, but I cant seem to get my head round 2.5k for the network player. For that price surely it includes a decent DAC? If so then why do i need the stand alone DAC.

The mission continues

It's about getting stuff to work together in your room. When it comes together it's mindblowingly good. Example, I'm pretty sure that my ATCs would sound dire with most sub £3k amps, to the point of being instantly dismissed in a demo. You'd never use a 25W Class A amp to drive them unless you lived in s shoe box.

Back to PMC. The 26 is a much much better speaker than the 24. I haven't heard the 23, but I assume it's not better than the 24, probably not as good. The 26 however will sound pretty lame if the amp is not up to it, I heard it with a Supernait 2, which was very nice indeed. if I hand't heard the Heg, I'd have one straight away.

 

[Womaz]

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Did you get chance to fiddle with the tone controls? On the Devialet they are very useful. They don't affect the quality of the sound but allow a useful degree of tailoring to get the sound you prefer as recordings can differ a lot. I guess you could have controlled the Bass on the Ushers if you'd used them.

It's worth considering when you listen next time.

Thanks for the input but to be honest its that sort of fiddling around with settings that would put me off.

I see your point for the demo though. It wasnt a wasted journey as I am keen to get one home to demo with the 23s, just hope the dealer can sort this.

 

[gowiththeflow]

My nearest Devialet dealer has quoted £5990. The same as the other high profile Devialet dealers mentioned.

*** over to Paris or Lille and they are €6990 , which is approx. £5080 inc. VAT.

The 120 is €4990 (approx. £3626)

Worth a cheap return train ticket from Newcastle to Lille, changing at KX/St. Pancras; A day out and save several hundred £££'s in the process.

 

[Womaz]

I think you'd find the PMC 26 a big step up from the 23 or the 24. I didn't really like the latter, a slightly smeary bass that was clouding the lower midrange.

Like a mind blowing step up though *biggrin*

Its funny though as that what I went into my dealers three weeks ago to discuss. He seemed to think the source would be better to upgrade than the speakers or amp. He has been excellent in the past so obvioulsy i took this on board. But i guess this is the first time I have questioned his verdict.

I am a novice at all of this so in the past I have sort of went for what he said, after demos of course.

I get the 2k for the DAC, but I cant seem to get my head round 2.5k for the network player. For that price surely it includes a decent DAC? If so then why do i need the stand alone DAC.

The mission continues

It's about getting stuff to work together in your room. When it comes together it's mindblowingly good. Example, I'm pretty sure that my ATCs would sound dire with most sub £3k amps, to the point of being instantly dismissed in a demo. You'd never use a 25W Class A amp to drive them unless you lived in s shoe box.

Back to PMC. The 26 is a much much better speaker than the 24. I haven't heard the 23, but I assume it's not better than the 24, probably not as good. The 26 however will sound pretty lame if the amp is not up to it, I heard it with a Supernait 2, which was very nice indeed. if I hand't heard the Heg, I'd have one straight away.

I am in no way an expert but apparently the 23s are better than the more expensive 24s, but thats just a friends opinion.

I have a MFM6i amp and I am sure this would work with the PMC 26s. But thats option number 2 on my list. THE FINAL LIST*dash1*

 

[Infiniteloop]

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Did you get chance to fiddle with the tone controls? On the Devialet they are very useful. They don't affect the quality of the sound but allow a useful degree of tailoring to get the sound you prefer as recordings can differ a lot. I guess you could have controlled the Bass on the Ushers if you'd used them.

It's worth considering when you listen next time.

Thanks for the input but to be honest its that sort of fiddling around with settings that would put me off.

I see your point for the demo though. It wasnt a wasted journey as I am keen to get one home to demo with the 23s, just hope the dealer can sort this.

I hope you are able to audition one at home with your speakers with SAM engaged. SAM has the effect of making your speakers sound 'bigger', the soundstage expands and the bass goes waay down. I'm sure you'll enjoy it. What I like about the Devialet, apart from the stunning sound quality, is how adaptable it is. In addition, the remote is a joy, but you also get to control the volume from an App on your phone too.

The 200 also has a very high quality phono stage (One of Devialet's founders is serious vinyl addict) and it has the ability to be used in dual mono mode (with the addition of a 'slave') for future upgrading.

 

[Womaz]

I will do my utmost to hear it at home as really keen to hear the SAM effect.

 

[SteveR750]

I demo'd the M6Si. It was OK, similar in ability to the Caspian M2, but on the other side of the tonal divide, wasn't my cup of tea. Personally I think the PMCs need something with more dynamic drive to it, I wouldn't have put an MF with the 26s, it's too warm and polite for me.

 

[davedotco]

For what it is worth, each time I have heard a Devialet I have been very impressed, only a handful of times, and never SAMed.

Bass has always been exceptional so i would strongly advise you to try again, maybe with a different dealer. I am not in favour of 'using' dealers and buying elsewhere but on the other hand you have no obligation to buy from a dealer who makes a cr@p sound with expensive equipment.

Of course if you want something different that maximises the quality of PMC speakers, then the PMC 22.5 and 22.6 models are worth a look. Combine with a modern, does everything, streamer preamp such as the Cambridge CXN and you have a complete set-up for less than the cost of an entry level Devialet.

Thanks for the input. PMC 22.5 OR 22.6?? did you get brand mixed up? Assuming thats the amp and not by PMC.

If the three options above dont float my boat it will be shelved till later on in the year when streaming and DAC solutions might have stabilised. It just seems all a little bit complex for me right now

Apologies.

They are PMC speakers and should be written as TwoTwo.5 and TwoTwo.6.

Look HERE

 

[Womaz]

Well another blow today, the M1CLIC I use as my network player is no good with the Devialet, as it has no digital outptut.

I would therfore not get the benefit of the 200s DAC -

A new streamer would now also be required and I am already stretched on budget. I know I can use Lap top or NAS, but this not suitable for me as i like the streamer option.

Must admit now feel fed up with it all so off to stick some music on. *dash1*

 

[Infiniteloop]

Well another blow today, the M1CLIC I use as my network player is no good with the Devialet, as it has no digital outptut.

I would therfore not get the benefit of the 200s DAC -

A new streamer would now also be required and I am already stretched on budget. I know I can use Lap top or NAS, but this not suitable for me as i like the streamer option.

Must admit now feel fed up with it all so off to stick some music on. *dash1*

Ever considered going the Mac Mini route? - £399!

 

[Womaz]

Ever considered going the Mac Mini route? - £399!

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I have no idea how this would work. I have an Ipad. I have a NAS drive with all my FLAC files on it. Its another £399 .....the budget is stretched already....can you tell I am fed up now *biggrin*

 

[spockfish]

Womaz, if you really want to go for the Devialet route (which I can imagine, it's on my shortlist), then consider this:

- keep 23's. Awesome speaker, and the Devialet will let them shine even more

- keep the MFCLIC for now, and connect it analogue. The Devialet brings it to the digital domain anyhow

- wait for Devialet supporting DLNA. With that you can get rid of your MFCLIC, and stream directly from your NAS (me assuming that your NAS is DLNA capable)

Devialet's DLNA support will arrive this year, so it's just a matter of patience ;-)

 

[Womaz]

Womaz, if you really want to go for the Devialet route (which I can imagine, it's on my shortlist), then consider this:

- keep 23's. Awesome speaker, and the Devialet will let them shine even more

- keep the MFCLIC for now, and connect it analogue. The Devialet brings it to the digital domain anyhow

- wait for Devialet supporting DLNA. With that you can get rid of your MFCLIC, and stream directly from your NAS (me assuming that your NAS is DLNA capable)

Devialet's DLNA support will arrive this year, so it's just a matter of patience ;-)

Yes I think I will still demo it. Its a shame as the CLICs interface is actually quite good. etc. However if I use the CLIC it will effectively stop the use of the 200s DAC. This to me would seem crazy.

I am also exploring the possibility of using my QNAP to directly connetc to the 200 as we speak, but to be honest its all getting a little tiresome.

 

[davedotco]

Womaz, if you really want to go for the Devialet route (which I can imagine, it's on my shortlist), then consider this:

- keep 23's. Awesome speaker, and the Devialet will let them shine even more

- keep the MFCLIC for now, and connect it analogue. The Devialet brings it to the digital domain anyhow

- wait for Devialet supporting DLNA. With that you can get rid of your MFCLIC, and stream directly from your NAS (me assuming that your NAS is DLNA capable)

Devialet's DLNA support will arrive this year, so it's just a matter of patience ;-)

Yes I think I will still demo it. Its a shame as the CLICs interface is actually quite good. etc. However if I use the CLIC it will effectively stop the use of the 200s DAC. This to me would seem crazy.

I am also exploring the possibility of using my QNAP to directly connetc to the 200 as we speak, but to be honest its all getting a little tiresome.

Did you take a look at the TwoTwo.5 and TwoTwo.6 options?

Will shake you system up a bit, just drive them off your Clic for the moment, a whole different ballgame and very un 'tiresome'.

 

[Womaz]

I did take a look yes, ugly bloody things *biggrin*

Seriously though thats not the avenue I am looking to go down.

 

[davedotco]

Fair enough.

Personally I think they look fantastic and performance is outstanding, thought I'd throw them into the mix.

 

[Womaz]

Fair enough.

Personally I think they look fantastic and performance is outstanding, thought I'd throw them into the mix.

It was a tongue in cheek comment. I just think thats too big a step for me right now. Appreciate the post though

 

[davedotco]

I think it is taking hi-fi companies a while to catch up but the idea of fully digital active speakers at an affordable price is an atractive one. A multifunction streamer/pre-amp would be all you need, ideally with nice robust AES/EBU outputs.

Really does not have to be that expensive and even the 'dumb' eq on the TwoTwo series works really well. Not cheap I grant you but, bandwidth aside, the TwoTwo series are phenominal speakers, entry level is just £3300, half the cost of an entry level Devialet/PMC23 combination.

 

[Womaz]

You make a very valid point. trouble is with me my hifi knowledge not that good so I am reluctant to accept new ideas easily.

Just to throw another idea in . Spoke to my local dealer and he reckons the my existing set up, but adding an M6DAC and the Aurender N100 would beat the Devialet hands down! Thats my problem my head is in a spin. Sure there is a song in there somewhere.*biggrin*

 

[DocG]

Yes I think I will still demo it. Its a shame as the CLICs interface is actually quite good. etc. However if I use the CLIC it will effectively stop the use of the 200s DAC. This to me would seem crazy.

You won't stop using the Dev's DAC (you can't actually). You would use the CLIC's DAC --> line level into the Dev --> ADC --> DSP --> DAC (still with me?) --> amp --> speakers.

That is an extra ("unnecessary") A to D to A conversion, something we don't like... But I doubt you could hear it.

 

[Womaz]

Yes I think I will still demo it. Its a shame as the CLICs interface is actually quite good. etc. However if I use the CLIC it will effectively stop the use of the 200s DAC. This to me would seem crazy.

You won't stop using the Dev's DAC (you can't actually). You would use the CLIC's DAC --> line level into the Dev --> ADC --> DSP --> DAC (still with me?) --> amp --> speakers.

That is an extra ("unnecessary") A to D to A conversion, something we don't like... But I doubt you could hear it.

Thats interesting Doc as I am losing the will to live right now *biggrin*

Like you say if I cant hear it then its not a problem. The Devialet helpline said it was not a good patner but that i should try it first before dismissing it. If I cant use the CLIC is just added complications.

If it might not be audible anyway that would be a bloody bonus