hi fi newbie:
since you mentioned CAD, I will go back to the point I illustrated before, an r&d worker gets a tenth of what a western r&d worker gets.
Are you posting through a hole in time? In all seriousness if you can find me CAD workers willing to work for a tenth UK rate, I'll take every single one of them. Currently my employer (somewhat heavier engineering than Hifi) is paying 75-80% and is loking to relocate two Europeans to go out as well. Production is cheaper (and of higher quality and with better logistic links) and not the slave driving bargain you seem to think it is.
since you mentioned CAD, I will go back to the point I illustrated before, an r&d worker gets a tenth of what a western r&d worker gets.
Are you posting through a hole in time? In all seriousness if you can find me CAD workers willing to work for a tenth UK rate, I'll take every single one of them. Currently my employer (somewhat heavier engineering than Hifi) is paying 75-80% and is loking to relocate two Europeans to go out as well. Production is cheaper (and of higher quality and with better logistic links) and not the slave driving bargain you seem to think it is.
talking about british speakers i have a pair rodgers ls 3/5a ,i bought in 19.83 and are still working fine and sounding great, the best of british made hifi .
Tannoyite:Noggin:
I would really like to support UK industry if I can...
If you buy a Quad (or any other speaker from the IAG) you will still be supporting British workers. They have a huge warehouse in the UK, with sales admin people, etc. And of course the designers are British.
Yes, I honestly do appreciate that. However if for similar money I can get a sound I like and the whole thing is Brit, then great.
I hadn't realised how many UK manufacturers there are. I need to have a listen to some more.
I would really like to support UK industry if I can...
If you buy a Quad (or any other speaker from the IAG) you will still be supporting British workers. They have a huge warehouse in the UK, with sales admin people, etc. And of course the designers are British.
Yes, I honestly do appreciate that. However if for similar money I can get a sound I like and the whole thing is Brit, then great.
I hadn't realised how many UK manufacturers there are. I need to have a listen to some more.
Let's make a quick list of brands and where their lines are manufactured, OK?
If I'm wrong, please someone correct me.
B&W: new 600 series made in China, 700 and 800 in the UK (I think even the 300 series was made in the UK, at least a few years ago).
Tannoy: Mercury F, and Sensys made in China. I don't know about the Revolution. Eyris, Prestige and Dimension in the UK.
KEF (also Chinese owned - GP Acoustics): All lines made in China, except for Reference, which is entirely made in the UK.
Epos: All made in China (with exquisite fit and finish, I must add).
Mission: M3, ¨M6, M790? (not sure really) made in China. The rest I don't know.
Wharfedale: Diamond and Evo made in China. The rest I don't know.
ProAc: 100% UK
Harbeth: 100% UK
PMC: 100% UK
Spendor: 100% UK
ATC: 100% UK
So, the conclusion is: virtually everything under GBP500 has to be manufactured in China. So Noggin, in your case, you can buy 100% UK speaker, because your budget allows it. But someone who only has GBP 500 is likely to end up with a Chinese manufactured speaker!
If I'm wrong, please someone correct me.
B&W: new 600 series made in China, 700 and 800 in the UK (I think even the 300 series was made in the UK, at least a few years ago).
Tannoy: Mercury F, and Sensys made in China. I don't know about the Revolution. Eyris, Prestige and Dimension in the UK.
KEF (also Chinese owned - GP Acoustics): All lines made in China, except for Reference, which is entirely made in the UK.
Epos: All made in China (with exquisite fit and finish, I must add).
Mission: M3, ¨M6, M790? (not sure really) made in China. The rest I don't know.
Wharfedale: Diamond and Evo made in China. The rest I don't know.
ProAc: 100% UK
Harbeth: 100% UK
PMC: 100% UK
Spendor: 100% UK
ATC: 100% UK
So, the conclusion is: virtually everything under GBP500 has to be manufactured in China. So Noggin, in your case, you can buy 100% UK speaker, because your budget allows it. But someone who only has GBP 500 is likely to end up with a Chinese manufactured speaker!
Tannoyite:
Let's make a quick list of brands and where their lines are manufactured, OK?
If I'm wrong, please someone correct me.
B&W: new 600 series made in China, 700 and 800 in the UK (I think even the 300 series was made in the UK, at least a few years ago).
Tannoy: Mercury F, and Sensys made in China. I don't know about the Revolution. Eyris, Prestige and Dimension in the UK.
KEF (also Chinese owned - GP Acoustics): All lines made in China, except for Reference, which is entirely made in the UK.
Epos: All made in China (with exquisite fit and finish, I must add).
Mission: M3, ¨M6, M790? (not sure really) made in China. The rest I don't know.
Wharfedale: Diamond and Evo made in China. The rest I don't know.
ProAc: 100% UK
Harbeth: 100% UK
PMC: 100% UK
Spendor: 100% UK
ATC: 100% UK
So, the conclusion is: virtually everything under GBP500 has to be manufactured in China. So Noggin, in your case, you can buy 100% UK speaker, because your budget allows it. But someone who only has GBP 500 is likely to end up with a Chinese manufactured speaker!
Good list, thanks!
I'm not quite sure about Kef being Chinese-owned. Kef said:
"Yes we are a British company and we were founded in 1961 by Raymond Cooke here in Tovil, and we still use the same site to this day to design all of our loudspeakers.
"Most of our products are now made in China with exception to our Reference series and our statement Muon loudspeakers which are hand assembled here in the UK."
I see that they have an association with GP Acoustics though. I wonder what that actually is, outright ownership or just distribution - or somewhere in between.
Meanwhile, B&W say:
"A great deal of our loudspeakers continue to be
manufactured in the UK Worthing factory, namely 800, 700, CM, XT Series."
The CM range is on my audition list.
Tannoy replied:
"We are indeed a British company. We stared out in London in 1930 and moved to Coatbridge just outside of Glasgow in 1974.
"Many of our products are made here at our factory in
Coatbridge UK.
Some lines we have manufactured in the Far East.
The HTS and Mercury range are all designed here in the UK and manufactured in China. Please
note that the Revolution Signature range is manufactured in the UK."
I had asked specifically about the HTS, Mercury and
Revolution ranges. It seems the changeover is the Revolution Signature price point.
Tannoy have been very helpful, and I was very impressed when
I listened the Rev Sig floorstanders.
Spendor make their own drive units and source British
components too. They're also most helpful. I'll be listening to a couple of
their speakers.
Let's make a quick list of brands and where their lines are manufactured, OK?
If I'm wrong, please someone correct me.
B&W: new 600 series made in China, 700 and 800 in the UK (I think even the 300 series was made in the UK, at least a few years ago).
Tannoy: Mercury F, and Sensys made in China. I don't know about the Revolution. Eyris, Prestige and Dimension in the UK.
KEF (also Chinese owned - GP Acoustics): All lines made in China, except for Reference, which is entirely made in the UK.
Epos: All made in China (with exquisite fit and finish, I must add).
Mission: M3, ¨M6, M790? (not sure really) made in China. The rest I don't know.
Wharfedale: Diamond and Evo made in China. The rest I don't know.
ProAc: 100% UK
Harbeth: 100% UK
PMC: 100% UK
Spendor: 100% UK
ATC: 100% UK
So, the conclusion is: virtually everything under GBP500 has to be manufactured in China. So Noggin, in your case, you can buy 100% UK speaker, because your budget allows it. But someone who only has GBP 500 is likely to end up with a Chinese manufactured speaker!
Good list, thanks!
I'm not quite sure about Kef being Chinese-owned. Kef said:
"Yes we are a British company and we were founded in 1961 by Raymond Cooke here in Tovil, and we still use the same site to this day to design all of our loudspeakers.
"Most of our products are now made in China with exception to our Reference series and our statement Muon loudspeakers which are hand assembled here in the UK."
I see that they have an association with GP Acoustics though. I wonder what that actually is, outright ownership or just distribution - or somewhere in between.
Meanwhile, B&W say:
"A great deal of our loudspeakers continue to be
manufactured in the UK Worthing factory, namely 800, 700, CM, XT Series."
The CM range is on my audition list.
Tannoy replied:
"We are indeed a British company. We stared out in London in 1930 and moved to Coatbridge just outside of Glasgow in 1974.
"Many of our products are made here at our factory in
Coatbridge UK.
Some lines we have manufactured in the Far East.
The HTS and Mercury range are all designed here in the UK and manufactured in China. Please
note that the Revolution Signature range is manufactured in the UK."
I had asked specifically about the HTS, Mercury and
Revolution ranges. It seems the changeover is the Revolution Signature price point.
Tannoy have been very helpful, and I was very impressed when
I listened the Rev Sig floorstanders.
Spendor make their own drive units and source British
components too. They're also most helpful. I'll be listening to a couple of
their speakers.
Noggin:[
I'm not quite sure about Kef being Chinese-owned. Kef said:
"Yes we are a British company and we were founded in 1961 by Raymond Cooke here in Tovil, and we still use the same site to this day to design all of our loudspeakers.
"Most of our products are now made in China with exception to our Reference series and our statement Muon loudspeakers which are hand assembled here in the UK."
I see that they have an association with GP Acoustics though. I wonder what that actually is, outright ownership or just distribution - or somewhere in between.
Meanwhile, B&W say:
"A great deal of our loudspeakers continue to be
manufactured in the UK Worthing factory, namely 800, 700, CM, XT Series."
The CM range is on my audition list.
Tannoy replied:
"We are indeed a British company. We stared out in London in 1930 and moved to Coatbridge just outside of Glasgow in 1974.
"Many of our products are made here at our factory in
Coatbridge UK.
Some lines we have manufactured in the Far East.
The HTS and Mercury range are all designed here in the UK and manufactured in China. Please
note that the Revolution Signature range is manufactured in the UK."
I had asked specifically about the HTS, Mercury and
Revolution ranges. It seems the changeover is the Revolution Signature price point.
Tannoy have been very helpful, and I was very impressed when
I listened the Rev Sig floorstanders.
Spendor make their own drive units and source British
components too. They're also most helpful. I'll be listening to a couple of
their speakers.
Thanks for the info, very interesting.
As Claire said, KEF is now owned by GP, a Chinese holding. But it doesn't matter, they are still British, with facilities in Kent, where all engineering is done (I've visited the factory, and even saw a MUON cabinet in construction
). GP also manufactures electronics for other well known brands, with the highest quality standards.
I'm not quite sure about Kef being Chinese-owned. Kef said:
"Yes we are a British company and we were founded in 1961 by Raymond Cooke here in Tovil, and we still use the same site to this day to design all of our loudspeakers.
"Most of our products are now made in China with exception to our Reference series and our statement Muon loudspeakers which are hand assembled here in the UK."
I see that they have an association with GP Acoustics though. I wonder what that actually is, outright ownership or just distribution - or somewhere in between.
Meanwhile, B&W say:
"A great deal of our loudspeakers continue to be
manufactured in the UK Worthing factory, namely 800, 700, CM, XT Series."
The CM range is on my audition list.
Tannoy replied:
"We are indeed a British company. We stared out in London in 1930 and moved to Coatbridge just outside of Glasgow in 1974.
"Many of our products are made here at our factory in
Coatbridge UK.
Some lines we have manufactured in the Far East.
The HTS and Mercury range are all designed here in the UK and manufactured in China. Please
note that the Revolution Signature range is manufactured in the UK."
I had asked specifically about the HTS, Mercury and
Revolution ranges. It seems the changeover is the Revolution Signature price point.
Tannoy have been very helpful, and I was very impressed when
I listened the Rev Sig floorstanders.
Spendor make their own drive units and source British
components too. They're also most helpful. I'll be listening to a couple of
their speakers.
Thanks for the info, very interesting.
As Claire said, KEF is now owned by GP, a Chinese holding. But it doesn't matter, they are still British, with facilities in Kent, where all engineering is done (I've visited the factory, and even saw a MUON cabinet in construction
Tannoyite: conclusion is: virtually everything under GBP500 has to be manufactured in China. So Noggin, in your case, you can buy 100% UK speaker, because your budget allows it. But someone who only has GBP 500 is likely to end up with a Chinese manufactured speaker!
Revolver Audio make superb speakers in the UK, the old RW series was under £500 and the new music series start at £500, all UK designed and made.
Revolver Audio make superb speakers in the UK, the old RW series was under £500 and the new music series start at £500, all UK designed and made.
matthewpiano
Well-known member
Clare Newsome:
KEF is owned by Goldpeak
Not that it matters a fig, IMO - most hi-fi and AV companies these days are truly multinational concerns, bringing together talent and resources from around the world. The commitment to quality is what counts.
Shame they haven't done enough with the Celestion name though.
KEF is owned by Goldpeak
Not that it matters a fig, IMO - most hi-fi and AV companies these days are truly multinational concerns, bringing together talent and resources from around the world. The commitment to quality is what counts.
Shame they haven't done enough with the Celestion name though.
This is quite interesting. Any info on where Monitor Audio manufactures their Silver RS series speakers? I have heard sellers claiming that they are made in UK, whereas, some reviews suggest they are designed in UK and made in China. Any inputs, please.
Clare Newsome:
KEF is owned by Goldpeak
Not that it matters a fig, IMO - most hi-fi and AV companies these days are truly multinational concerns, bringing together talent and resources from around the world. The commitment to quality is what counts.
Of course quality counts but so does supporting British manufacturers, otherwise we will be driving home in our foreign made cars going into our houses full of foreign made goods wondering why we have been made redundant and mulling over where the mortgage money is coming from.
And as for quality IMO Britain manufactures some of the best in the world...........
KEF is owned by Goldpeak
Not that it matters a fig, IMO - most hi-fi and AV companies these days are truly multinational concerns, bringing together talent and resources from around the world. The commitment to quality is what counts.
Of course quality counts but so does supporting British manufacturers, otherwise we will be driving home in our foreign made cars going into our houses full of foreign made goods wondering why we have been made redundant and mulling over where the mortgage money is coming from.
And as for quality IMO Britain manufactures some of the best in the world...........
I too have a fondness for British Hi-Fi and speakers. Not much of a mention of Monitor Audio's products.
I have the RS8's and they are really are a 1st rate speaker, well worth a listen to along with the RS6's.
Owned for many years Roger's LS6, wished I still had them!
I have the RS8's and they are really are a 1st rate speaker, well worth a listen to along with the RS6's.
Owned for many years Roger's LS6, wished I still had them!
I have scanned through the posts and don't understand why a product would be bought based on where it is made. I saw an interview with the head of the CBI and he said that it was a good thing that mass manufacturing was moving away from the UK. His point, and I agree with him, is that this country should specialise in the higher value end, which is inventing, designing, marketing and selling world class products. Countries should specialise in what they do best, hopefully our future is creating, and China's is manufacturing.
In terms of higher end technology and manufacturing, we can do this well as well. Look at our car factories in Sunderland. They are reputed to be the best in the world.
In terms of patriotic procurement, was anyone brave enough to buy a poorly designed and badly built British made car in the 1970s?
In terms of higher end technology and manufacturing, we can do this well as well. Look at our car factories in Sunderland. They are reputed to be the best in the world.
In terms of patriotic procurement, was anyone brave enough to buy a poorly designed and badly built British made car in the 1970s?
TNTTNT:
In terms of patriotic procurement, was anyone brave enough to buy a poorly designed and badly built British made car in the 1970s?
My Dad bought an Austin Allegro in the 1970s, and the damn thing routinely broke down on family outings - usually within a 50 mile radius of home. I began to think every holiday started with a breakdown truck!
In terms of patriotic procurement, was anyone brave enough to buy a poorly designed and badly built British made car in the 1970s?
My Dad bought an Austin Allegro in the 1970s, and the damn thing routinely broke down on family outings - usually within a 50 mile radius of home. I began to think every holiday started with a breakdown truck!
No one mention NEAT yet
I saw BOB and his boys builded them with my own eyes! and my ART are made in Scotland (amazingly well made)
and for those who think China couldn't make speakers as good as the Brits, please check out Usher Audio as the model "Dancer 8571" are properbly the best build pair of speakers I have ever seen anywhere regardless of price!
and for those who think China couldn't make speakers as good as the Brits, please check out Usher Audio as the model "Dancer 8571" are properbly the best build pair of speakers I have ever seen anywhere regardless of price!
Whatever you buy is going to be a compromise.......particularly with electronic components which are mostly made in the far east. I would be interested to know if there are any semiconductor component manufacturing facilities left in Britain now. I work in the electrical industry and ALL the wire / cable that we use is of foreign manufacture. Even going as far as the veneer on the enclosure, which is usually cut in the country of production.
Made in England, I think is a non starter, Assembled in England however is another matter. Don't forget that an item labelled as Made in England doesn't have to have all English made components in it. Not sure of the percentage but I think its quite low. Maybe someone can enlighten us.
Made in England, I think is a non starter, Assembled in England however is another matter. Don't forget that an item labelled as Made in England doesn't have to have all English made components in it. Not sure of the percentage but I think its quite low. Maybe someone can enlighten us.
Thaiman:
No one mention NEAT yet
I saw BOB and his boys builded them with my own eyes! and my ART are made in Scotland (amazingly well made)
and for those who think China couldn't make speakers as good as the Brits, please check out Usher Audio as the model "Dancer 8571" are properbly the best build pair of speakers I have ever seen anywhere regardless of price!
If you look back i think you will find silly mentioned neat Thaiman......
Silly said>> There is still a lot of excellent British made kit including speakers, ignore the doom and gloom merchants, Britain still makes top notch hi-fi, for Speakers we Have also Kudos, Neat, Revolver, Spendor, Pro-ac, Monitor Audio, B&W, Rega, god, the list is endless, and the same for electronics, hundreds of them are still designed and assembled in the UK!!!!
No one mention NEAT yet
and for those who think China couldn't make speakers as good as the Brits, please check out Usher Audio as the model "Dancer 8571" are properbly the best build pair of speakers I have ever seen anywhere regardless of price!
If you look back i think you will find silly mentioned neat Thaiman......
Silly said>> There is still a lot of excellent British made kit including speakers, ignore the doom and gloom merchants, Britain still makes top notch hi-fi, for Speakers we Have also Kudos, Neat, Revolver, Spendor, Pro-ac, Monitor Audio, B&W, Rega, god, the list is endless, and the same for electronics, hundreds of them are still designed and assembled in the UK!!!!Not forgetting Wolfson - albeit a microelectronics firm who make many an onboard DAC processor - based in Edinburgh. Without the fruits of their labour in some of our equipment, it wouldn't make a jot of difference where the speakers were put together!
But yes, we make some great kit - we have done for years and hopefully these firms will continue to thrive and get our support.
But yes, we make some great kit - we have done for years and hopefully these firms will continue to thrive and get our support.
raym87:
Made in England, I think is a non starter, Assembled in England however is another matter. Don't forget that an item labelled as Made in England doesn't have to have all English made components in it. Not sure of the percentage but I think its quite low. Maybe someone can enlighten us.
iirc, to be designated as 'made in' for anywhere in the EU, over 50% of the cost of the Bill of Material, including the assembly labour, has to originate from that country.
Made in England, I think is a non starter, Assembled in England however is another matter. Don't forget that an item labelled as Made in England doesn't have to have all English made components in it. Not sure of the percentage but I think its quite low. Maybe someone can enlighten us.
iirc, to be designated as 'made in' for anywhere in the EU, over 50% of the cost of the Bill of Material, including the assembly labour, has to originate from that country.
Hi everyone,
I am thinking to buy Mordaunt Short Mezzo 6, does anyone know if the speakers are still made in England or Asia somewhere ? Really appreciate for the input. Thank you
I am thinking to buy Mordaunt Short Mezzo 6, does anyone know if the speakers are still made in England or Asia somewhere ? Really appreciate for the input. Thank you
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