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FrankHarveyHiFi:

Beta4Me:I'm really wondering about my ATC system of SCM19s, C3C, SCM11s & C1 Sub. I'm really interested in the views of people on this M&K 150 vs ATC Concept 3.

Is your system to be purely AV or music as well?

The MK's are designed to reproduce movie soundtracks, and so have a diffrent presentation to normal hi-fi speakers. This is something I have found that they do amazingly well, and haven't yet found a hi-fi based AV package to match up to them as yet. Don't get me wrong, your system will be great, and it will fair better with movies than many other packages will. It's something you really have to hear for yourself, because there are some people that just don't get on with them. I wouldn't say they're an aquired taste exactly, as the first time I heard them I was gobsmacked (well, second time, actually) and have never looked back since.

Beta4Me:So M&K Studio 5 + pair of SS150s (7.1) [£8045] vs ATC Concept 3 + SCM19s (7.1) [£4948 (£3097 less than M&K)], which would win for multichannel music, stereo music and for movies? Would the small-ish sub be the letdown in the ATC? If the M&K is better for movies, is it 60% better than the ATCs?

The ATC's would win for multi channel music, they're designed for music. The SCM11's are a fantastic speaker, without competition as far as I'm concerned. Price-wise, they're similar to MK 750's, which don't have the build quality of the SCM11's, but their 'voicing' in comparison is like chalk and cheese. There are a number of reasons for this, which I think I might blog it on our website so I have easy access to it rather than writing it out all the time! Keep a look out for that, I'll do that some time this week.

The 750 or 950 system along with a DSPZ7 is an amazing system, and one which I find unbeatable at the price point. A home cinema bargain as far as I'm concerned.

Hi David

The above M&K package the 750 which you like does it combine well the pioneer sc-lx72 and 82 amps?

Thanks

 

[Frank Harvey]

gel:Hi David

The above M&K package the 750 which you like does it combine well the pioneer sc-lx72 and 82 amps?

Thanks

They work fine with the 750's. They like a good AV amp that can deal with a 4ohm load - most amps from around £1,000 would be compitable. As I've mentioned before, the X-Curve function of the LX82 makes matching it to different speaker packages a little bit easier than normal.

 

[Anonymous]

fowler:for 3 mk 150's and the ss150 surrounds it will cost about £4500 - and the atc 19,3c3,7's will be about £3000, are the mk's £1500 better than the atc pakage? thanks dave.

You would need to price in a Subwoofer in there as well as the S-150's SS-150 aint no good without one

for that setup price in a M&K MX-350 , and have a stiff drink ready

Regards

Andy

 

[Anonymous]

Hi Beta4Me,

I really think you should don't need to worry mate. For someone else to tell you that others speakers are better for the price range and you to start wondering i think is a bit silly. You have posted many questions about ATC and countless people have replied to you (few even had a go at you). Sorry mate I aint having a go nor do I wish to but you really got to believe in what you got. I don't think theres anything on the market at its selling point that can match it. Yes you have speakers that add an edge to sound but thats really not how they are supposed to sound. I really hope you can appreciate what you brought and not buy into what others are saying till you hear it yourself I mean your listening to Scrappy, someone who can't even tell you accurately where he lives.....

Incase you don't know have a read of this and if this can't cure your questioning of your speakers then I don't know what will.

http://www.atc.gb.net/downloads/CompanyProfile.pdf

Also on the topic of M&K let me ask you this quite simply, ATC are brilliant and sublime no one disputes this. So why are you going to pay thousands of pounds for a product which lets hyperthetically accept its argument which is complete nonsense"is for movies"..... Surely you would spend you money on something that can do both music and movies why settle for just the one? Also about the "for movies" twaddle let me ask you another question.... Do movies not contain music because every movie i watched does unless these people watch specialist movies in which case i retract my comment.

Also lots of people on here claim to "want to help" but again twaddle because if you go through your posts and other posts what people have said and recommended to one person they have done the exact opposite for someone else.

Lastly which company dares to say "In this respect ATC has no equal"...... I will tell you what kind of company says that companies like Chord Electronics, Yamaha which are top of there game and other people come for there technology and use there technology as a yard stick to govern there own products and competitors. Also they use the same technology in the Pro models so if people like Sony, Dolby, Sydney Opera House, Warner Bros, Disney many universities and people like Paul McCartney and you have brought them then I think your headed in the right direction. (Note that was but a few of there customers) And for those of you that are interested in "Dynamic Range" please refer to point 8.

If this feels like a rant I apologize to you mate but please if your not going to believe anyone else then atleast trust your own senses and judgement.

'Sim

 

[RCduck7]

From reading such good things about M&K it makes me wanna go on audition, i don't know where to go in Belgium for that though.

But what i like most of all in movies is a good musical score from films like Gladiator and Star Wars. I found some systems don't let the musical score come through that dynamic in relation to the other sounds in the movie presented at the same time. What would be most satifying? ATC, any good hifi speaker or M&K for this?

 

[Frank Harvey]

brolly727: I really think you should don't need to worry mate. For someone else to tell you that others speakers are better for the price range and you to start wondering i think is a bit silly.

I agree. His ATC package is excellent and I'm sure he'll get many years enjoyment from it.

Also on the topic of M&K let me ask you this quite simply, ATC are brilliant and sublime no one disputes this. So why are you going to pay thousands of pounds for a product which lets hyperthetically accept its argument which is complete nonsense"is for movies"..... Surely you would spend you money on something that can do both music and movies why settle for just the one?

Many people want their AV systems for watching movies. They may already have a hi-fi system in another room, or, increasingly so, they may not even listen to music at all.

I understand your dubiousness about the "for movies" thing. I've seen it many times on forums, and it's usually said by people who've never heard MK nor understand or believe their philosophy. Hi-Fi speakers and dedicated AV speakers are quite different in their presentation. This can easily be proved by demonstration.

Also about the "for movies" twaddle let me ask you another question.... Do movies not contain music because every movie i watched does unless these people watch specialist movies in which case i retract my comment.

Yes, it's true that films contain music, and quite a bit in some movies. Most music in films is nowhere near quality of normal CD - and before anybody starts spouting bit rates etc, listen to any track you know from CD's you own - do they ever sound like they do on your hi-fi system? No. I've heard loads of music in films that I already own and they've all lacked detail, separation etc etc, and I've also bought music because I've heard it in a film - it never sounds the same.

Although some films are mastered on the same set of speakers, in many cases, there are separate mastering suites for music and movies dialogue/effects. So movie music will be mastered on full range hi-fi speakers, and special effects/ambience/dialogue/general noises (everything but music) is mastered in a different suite using a dedicated sub/sat system. Sub/sat system by their own nature, sound different to a full range hi-fi loudspeaker. There's no disputing it.

As I've said, the difference between hi-fi speakers and movie speakers can easily be demonstrated. Because films are mastered on sub/sat systems, using a sub/sat system will get you closer to what is intended by the directors.

Also lots of people on here claim to "want to help" but again twaddle because if you go through your posts and other posts what people have said and recommended to one person they have done the exact opposite for someone else.

You can design a system to suit one individual and chances are that system could be the worst possible choice for someone else. Electronics aren't so bad, but speakers are so different, just like people, that no one product in any caregory is the solution to everyone's needs. If there was a single solution, we'd have a lot less products on our website, and especially in store. So while people need to be consistent in their recommendations, you also need to be inconsistent so you can recommend something that will suit an individual.

Lastly which company dares to say "In this respect ATC has no equal"...... I will tell you what kind of company says that companies like Chord Electronics, Yamaha which are top of there game and other people come for there technology and use there technology as a yard stick to govern there own products and competitors. Also they use the same technology in the Pro models so if people like Sony, Dolby, Sydney Opera House, Warner Bros, Disney many universities and people like Paul McCartney and you have brought them then I think your headed in the right direction. (Note that was but a few of there customers) And for those of you that are interested in "Dynamic Range" please refer to point 8.

Warner Bros, Disney, Dolby Labs, Sony Music, Sony Pictures as well as Dreamworks, DTS, HBO, Skywalker Sound, 20th Century Fox, Paramount, and Universal also use MK loudspeakers in their mastering suites.

Twaddle or not?

 

[Frank Harvey]

RCduck7: But what i like most of all in movies is a good musical score from films like Gladiator and Star Wars. I found some systems don't let the musical score come through that dynamic in relation to the other sounds in the movie presented at the same time. What would be most satifying? ATC, any good hifi speaker or M&K for this?

Tricky. As I've mentioned in the previous post, most music doesn't quite sound like it does coming off a CD on your hi-fi system. Much music in films is EQ'd to sound good on big cinema speaker systems, which sometimes translates to 'rubbish' when played on a home system. Also, in action movies, the music tends to get lost in the mix - Propellerhead's 'Spybreak!' which was used in the lobby destruction scene in The Matrix is a case in point.

You'll usually find the incidental music sounds much better. A lot of the classical film scores sound amazing, whether it's on hi-fi speakers or MK - they just sound a little different, that's all. Some people will prefer MK, some will prefer hi-fi speakers.

 

[Anonymous]

FrankHarveyHiFi:
J.J.GITTES: Hurt Locker (All of it the best audio mix i have heard)

I've got The Hurt Locker on order, looking forward to that one. And we use the Dark Knight in our AV demos

Consider Death Race for action, the race scenes are immense.

 

[RCduck7]

FrankHarveyHiFi:

RCduck7: But what i like most of all in movies is a good musical score from films like Gladiator and Star Wars. I found some systems don't let the musical score come through that dynamic in relation to the other sounds in the movie presented at the same time. What would be most satifying? ATC, any good hifi speaker or M&K for this?

Tricky. As I've mentioned in the previous post, most music doesn't quite sound like it does coming off a CD on your hi-fi system. Much music in films is EQ'd to sound good on big cinema speaker systems, which sometimes transates to 'rubbish' when played on a home system. Also, in action movies, the music tends to get lost in the mix - Propellerhead's 'Spybreak!' which was used in the lobby destruction scene in The Matrix is a case in point.

You'll usually find the incidental music sounds much better. A lot of the classical film scores sound amazing, whether it's on hi-fi speakers or MK - they just sound a little different, that's all. Some people will prefer MK, some will prefer hi-fi spekaers.

Thanks for the info, i understand your CD versus movie soundtrack explanation.

 

[Anonymous]

MUSICRAFT:fowler:MUSICRAFT:fowler:FrankHarveyHiFi:

fowler:for 3 mk 150's and the ss150 surrounds it will cost about £4500 - and the atc 19,3c3,7's will be about £3000, are the mk's £1500 better than the atc pakage? thanks dave.

I'm usually comparing how much better the MK's are than more expensive speaker packages.....

wow thats quite a compliment, i'll be sure to audition the mk's when im ready with the cash! thanks for your time david much appreciated.

Hi fowler

I compare ATC's engineering integrity, performance levels and overall performance potential to how much better they are than many other costly speakers (for two or multi channel use).

SCM Studio Control Monitor - their massive state of the art drive units are mostly taking things in their stride. The lower it distorts the more natural it sounds.

ATC inspires confidence.

Thanks for your support.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

hi rick,i take it you think the atc's are better? have you heard the mk's? what do you think? iv done some reasearch and the mk's are highly rated for cinema - wich is what im after, iv got my hifi system seperate.thanks

Hi fowler

I am aware of the M&K philosophy and the audio presentation of their products as i have worked at dealers that stocked the products.

As to ATC, amongst the many things that i have learnt about them over the years is that, ATC designs and manufactures some the finest and most accurate monitors in the world. ATC has kept to it's aim of building loudspeakers and electronics which employ the most effective of modern engineering principles. They don't respond to competition, instead they respond to advances in technology that enables them to improve their products. Their goal is to make loudspeakers as near perfection in performance as possible by having the lowest possible distortion.

ATC tackles distortion by building their own massive, precise and technologically advanced state of the art drive units.

Ime whether it is a movie or music soundtrack the ATC speakers will reproduce them in a neutral, uncoloured, natural and powerful manner. I have been listening to Terminator Salvation and Pirates of the Caribbean (At World's End) today through the Chord Electronics SPM3005 power amp and SCM40's. Needless to say it was sounding awesome.The lower it distorts the more natural it sounds.

Thanks for your support.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft
thanks rick,after giving it some thought im going to go with the atc's - there brilliant speakers. i already own the 40's and by choosing the atc's i can be flexible if i intergrate my av and hifi system in the future. im sure i'll get a big improvement over my monitor audio siver's! thanks fellas for all the advice i appreciate it. got to start saving up now.

 

[MUSICRAFT]

fowler:MUSICRAFT:fowler:MUSICRAFT:fowler:FrankHarveyHiFi:

fowler:for 3 mk 150's and the ss150 surrounds it will cost about £4500 - and the atc 19,3c3,7's will be about £3000, are the mk's £1500 better than the atc pakage? thanks dave.

I'm usually comparing how much better the MK's are than more expensive speaker packages.....

wow thats quite a compliment, i'll be sure to audition the mk's when im ready with the cash! thanks for your time david much appreciated.

Hi fowler

I compare ATC's engineering integrity, performance levels and overall performance potential to how much better they are than many other costly speakers (for two or multi channel use).

SCM Studio Control Monitor - their massive state of the art drive units are mostly taking things in their stride. The lower it distorts the more natural it sounds.

ATC inspires confidence.

Thanks for your support.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

hi rick,i take it you think the atc's are better? have you heard the mk's? what do you think? iv done some reasearch and the mk's are highly rated for cinema - wich is what im after, iv got my hifi system seperate.thanks

Hi fowler

I am aware of the M&K philosophy and the audio presentation of their products as i have worked at dealers that stocked the products.

As to ATC, amongst the many things that i have learnt about them over the years is that, ATC designs and manufactures some the finest and most accurate monitors in the world. ATC has kept to it's aim of building loudspeakers and electronics which employ the most effective of modern engineering principles. They don't respond to competition, instead they respond to advances in technology that enables them to improve their products. Their goal is to make loudspeakers as near perfection in performance as possible by having the lowest possible distortion.

ATC tackles distortion by building their own massive, precise and technologically advanced state of the art drive units.

Ime whether it is a movie or music soundtrack the ATC speakers will reproduce them in a neutral, uncoloured, natural and powerful manner. I have been listening to Terminator Salvation and Pirates of the Caribbean (At World's End) today through the Chord Electronics SPM3005 power amp and SCM40's. Needless to say it was sounding awesome.The lower it distorts the more natural it sounds.

Thanks for your support.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

thanks rick,after giving it some thought im going to go with the atc's - there brilliant speakers. i already own the 40's and by choosing the atc's i can be flexible if i intergrate my av and hifi system in the future. im sure i'll get a big improvement over my monitor audio siver's! thanks fellas for all the advice i appreciate it. got to start saving up now.

Hi fowler

Fair play.

Yes, i believe the ATC's are brilliant speakers with their state of the art drive units which are waiting to be woken up.

Thanks for your kind words and for your support.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

 

[Anonymous]

MUSICRAFT:fowler:MUSICRAFT:fowler:MUSICRAFT:fowler:FrankHarveyHiFi:

fowler:for 3 mk 150's and the ss150 surrounds it will cost about £4500 - and the atc 19,3c3,7's will be about £3000, are the mk's £1500 better than the atc pakage? thanks dave.

I'm usually comparing how much better the MK's are than more expensive speaker packages.....

wow thats quite a compliment, i'll be sure to audition the mk's when im ready with the cash! thanks for your time david much appreciated.

Hi fowler

I compare ATC's engineering integrity, performance levels and overall performance potential to how much better they are than many other costly speakers (for two or multi channel use).

SCM Studio Control Monitor - their massive state of the art drive units are mostly taking things in their stride. The lower it distorts the more natural it sounds.

ATC inspires confidence.

Thanks for your support.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

hi rick,i take it you think the atc's are better? have you heard the mk's? what do you think? iv done some reasearch and the mk's are highly rated for cinema - wich is what im after, iv got my hifi system seperate.thanks

Hi fowler

I am aware of the M&K philosophy and the audio presentation of their products as i have worked at dealers that stocked the products.

As to ATC, amongst the many things that i have learnt about them over the years is that, ATC designs and manufactures some the finest and most accurate monitors in the world. ATC has kept to it's aim of building loudspeakers and electronics which employ the most effective of modern engineering principles. They don't respond to competition, instead they respond to advances in technology that enables them to improve their products. Their goal is to make loudspeakers as near perfection in performance as possible by having the lowest possible distortion.

ATC tackles distortion by building their own massive, precise and technologically advanced state of the art drive units.

Ime whether it is a movie or music soundtrack the ATC speakers will reproduce them in a neutral, uncoloured, natural and powerful manner. I have been listening to Terminator Salvation and Pirates of the Caribbean (At World's End) today through the Chord Electronics SPM3005 power amp and SCM40's. Needless to say it was sounding awesome.The lower it distorts the more natural it sounds.

Thanks for your support.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

thanks rick,after giving it some thought im going to go with the atc's - there brilliant speakers. i already own the 40's and by choosing the atc's i can be flexible if i intergrate my av and hifi system in the future. im sure i'll get a big improvement over my monitor audio siver's! thanks fellas for all the advice i appreciate it. got to start saving up now.

Hi fowler

Fair play.

Yes, i believe the ATC's are brilliant speakers with their state of the art drive units which are waiting to be woken up.

Thanks for your kind words and for your support.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

Good to hear all that. I'm very happy with my ATCs, just wanted to make sure that I hadn't got them when I could've got something better for the money. But, when thinking about it, it's ridiculously hard to find an M&K dealer in Australia, M&K hasn't been reviewed a lot by WHF or another HF/HT magazine I trust and the system would be much more expensive and musically inferior. Thus, I'm happy.

 

[MUSICRAFT]

Beta4Me:MUSICRAFT:fowler:MUSICRAFT:fowler:MUSICRAFT:fowler:FrankHarveyHiFi:

fowler:for 3 mk 150's and the ss150 surrounds it will cost about £4500 - and the atc 19,3c3,7's will be about £3000, are the mk's £1500 better than the atc pakage? thanks dave.

I'm usually comparing how much better the MK's are than more expensive speaker packages.....

wow thats quite a compliment, i'll be sure to audition the mk's when im ready with the cash! thanks for your time david much appreciated.

Hi fowler

I compare ATC's engineering integrity, performance levels and overall performance potential to how much better they are than many other costly speakers (for two or multi channel use).

SCM Studio Control Monitor - their massive state of the art drive units are mostly taking things in their stride. The lower it distorts the more natural it sounds.

ATC inspires confidence.

Thanks for your support.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

hi rick,i take it you think the atc's are better? have you heard the mk's? what do you think? iv done some reasearch and the mk's are highly rated for cinema - wich is what im after, iv got my hifi system seperate.thanks

Hi fowler

I am aware of the M&K philosophy and the audio presentation of their products as i have worked at dealers that stocked the products.

As to ATC, amongst the many things that i have learnt about them over the years is that, ATC designs and manufactures some the finest and most accurate monitors in the world. ATC has kept to it's aim of building loudspeakers and electronics which employ the most effective of modern engineering principles. They don't respond to competition, instead they respond to advances in technology that enables them to improve their products. Their goal is to make loudspeakers as near perfection in performance as possible by having the lowest possible distortion.

ATC tackles distortion by building their own massive, precise and technologically advanced state of the art drive units.

Ime whether it is a movie or music soundtrack the ATC speakers will reproduce them in a neutral, uncoloured, natural and powerful manner. I have been listening to Terminator Salvation and Pirates of the Caribbean (At World's End) today through the Chord Electronics SPM3005 power amp and SCM40's. Needless to say it was sounding awesome.The lower it distorts the more natural it sounds.

Thanks for your support.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

thanks rick,after giving it some thought im going to go with the atc's - there brilliant speakers. i already own the 40's and by choosing the atc's i can be flexible if i intergrate my av and hifi system in the future. im sure i'll get a big improvement over my monitor audio siver's! thanks fellas for all the advice i appreciate it. got to start saving up now.

Hi fowler

Fair play.

Yes, i believe the ATC's are brilliant speakers with their state of the art drive units which are waiting to be woken up.

Thanks for your kind words and for your support.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

Good to hear all that. I'm very happy with my ATCs, just wanted to make sure that I hadn't got them when I could've got something better for the money. But, when thinking about it, it's ridiculously hard to find an M&K dealer in Australia, M&K hasn't been reviewed a lot by WHF or another HF/HT magazine I trust and the system would be much more expensive and musically inferior. Thus, I'm happy.

Hi Beta4me

I am glad that you are happy with your ATC speakers.

Ime ATC's monitors with their hand built State Of The Art drive units don't make or need any excuses. They favour nothing.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

 

[RCduck7]

Beta4Me:MUSICRAFT:fowler:MUSICRAFT:fowler:MUSICRAFT:fowler:FrankHarveyHiFi:

fowler:for 3 mk 150's and the ss150 surrounds it will cost about £4500 - and the atc 19,3c3,7's will be about £3000, are the mk's £1500 better than the atc pakage? thanks dave.

I'm usually comparing how much better the MK's are than more expensive speaker packages.....

wow thats quite a compliment, i'll be sure to audition the mk's when im ready with the cash! thanks for your time david much appreciated.

Hi fowler

I compare ATC's engineering integrity, performance levels and overall performance potential to how much better they are than many other costly speakers (for two or multi channel use).

SCM Studio Control Monitor - their massive state of the art drive units are mostly taking things in their stride. The lower it distorts the more natural it sounds.

ATC inspires confidence.

Thanks for your support.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

hi rick,i take it you think the atc's are better? have you heard the mk's? what do you think? iv done some reasearch and the mk's are highly rated for cinema - wich is what im after, iv got my hifi system seperate.thanks

Hi fowler

I am aware of the M&K philosophy and the audio presentation of their products as i have worked at dealers that stocked the products.

As to ATC, amongst the many things that i have learnt about them over the years is that, ATC designs and manufactures some the finest and most accurate monitors in the world. ATC has kept to it's aim of building loudspeakers and electronics which employ the most effective of modern engineering principles. They don't respond to competition, instead they respond to advances in technology that enables them to improve their products. Their goal is to make loudspeakers as near perfection in performance as possible by having the lowest possible distortion.

ATC tackles distortion by building their own massive, precise and technologically advanced state of the art drive units.

Ime whether it is a movie or music soundtrack the ATC speakers will reproduce them in a neutral, uncoloured, natural and powerful manner. I have been listening to Terminator Salvation and Pirates of the Caribbean (At World's End) today through the Chord Electronics SPM3005 power amp and SCM40's. Needless to say it was sounding awesome.The lower it distorts the more natural it sounds.

Thanks for your support.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

thanks rick,after giving it some thought im going to go with the atc's - there brilliant speakers. i already own the 40's and by choosing the atc's i can be flexible if i intergrate my av and hifi system in the future. im sure i'll get a big improvement over my monitor audio siver's! thanks fellas for all the advice i appreciate it. got to start saving up now.

Hi fowler

Fair play.

Yes, i believe the ATC's are brilliant speakers with their state of the art drive units which are waiting to be woken up.

Thanks for your kind words and for your support.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

Good to hear all that. I'm very happy with my ATCs, just wanted to make sure that I hadn't got them when I could've got something better for the money. But, when thinking about it, it's ridiculously hard to find an M&K dealer in Australia, M&K hasn't been reviewed a lot by WHF or another HF/HT magazine I trust and the system would be much more expensive and musically inferior. Thus, I'm happy.

Something better will be found but i'm not sure at the ATC's price. How much do the ATC cost then?

 

[Anonymous]

RCduck7:
How much do the ATC cost then?

They cost me about AU$8000 for a 5.1 system of ATC SCM19 (fronts), C3C (centre), SCM11 (rears) and C1 Sub.

 

[RCduck7]

Beta4Me:RCduck7:

How much do the ATC cost then?

They cost me about AU$8000 for a 5.1 system of ATC SCM19 (fronts), C3C (centre), SCM11 (rears) and C1 Sub.

I have not auditioned those speakers personally but here is my little story when i was searching for other speakers.

Ok, your ATC's are bookshelf designs right? In the beginning of my search for new speakers i have been listenig to lots of speakers, mainly for stereo and in the affordable category, cheaper then your ATC's. At first i found Dynaudio and Spendor an improvement over my Wharfedale speakers. After that i heard even more improvement, and defenitly an other class i must say in "Jean Marie Reynaud" transmissionline speakers, they were very good on a home demo, they sounded precise. But it seemed like i missed something. Long story short, i eventualy went for Hyperion 938's after an audition of those. They look and are often compared to Wilson Watt Puppy's but a lot of people seem to love them more and they cost less. But they are floorstanders i'm talking about! Not really a fair comparison to your bookshelf ATC speakers. I read about people that owned ATC and swithed to Hyperion floorstanders mostly for stereo or front speakers. The Hyperion bookshelf HWS-586 speakers are also very good and cheaper but certainly not in the same class as the 938's. So, i can't recommend that the Hyperion bookshelfs would be better then your ATC's, i just share my experience. Besides, sound is a personal thing, but i would recommend to audition some other speakers including JMR and Hyperion. If you are completely happy with your ATC's then don't go on audition, but if your like me and want peace of mind that you absolutely want to know that you have the best you can afford i would bring your ATC's along to some dealers and make a comparison. If you think your ATC's still sound best you had the pleasure of comparing them.

As for movie based sound, i like my system, but i guess at this moment i'm more focused on music in stereo, can't make a comment about that on the M&K, ATC or others.