Better Spekers than Triangle Borea BR03

[dommaku2]

Hi
My current hi fi : Cambridge Audio AXA 25 + Triangle Borea BR03 + DAC Magic 100
BR03 got good enough bass, Scene is fantastic you play Louis Armstrong and it feels he stands in front of you but it does't feels enjoyable comparing to hi fi set up I used to have (floor standing Canton GLE)

examples:
- choir in Danny Elfman - Ice Dance feels muffled/muddy/distorted (i think hard to describe - tiring not enjoyable). When I had my previous (sold) set up it used to be something I could just re play 3 times in a row getting excitement.
- trumpets, string instruments feel tiring (multiple songs) - It used to be source of enjoyment.
- Some overall lack of dynamics

Can you tell me model/make of speakers that will be better than BR03? (can be older)

Candidate 1 - Focal Aira 906 - Will work well with CA AXA 25
Candidate 2 - ? -

Keep in Mind Dali minght be good but they will not work with CA AXA 25 for example so I will not consider.

thanks in advance

 

[plastic penguin]

Hi
My current hi fi : Cambridge Audio AXA 25 + Triangle Borea BR03 + DAC Magic 100
BR03 got good enough bass, Scene is fantastic you play Louis Armstrong and it feels he stands in front of you but it does't feels enjoyable comparing to hi fi set up I used to have (floor standing Canton GLE)

examples:
- choir in Danny Elfman - Ice Dance feels muffled/muddy/distorted (i think hard to describe - tiring not enjoyable). When I had my previous (sold) set up it used to be something I could just re play 3 times in a row getting excitement.
- trumpets, string instruments feel tiring (multiple songs) - It used to be source of enjoyment.
- Some overall lack of dynamics

Can you tell me model/make of speakers that will be better than BR03? (can be older)

Candidate 1 - Focal Aira 906 - Will work well with CA AXA 25
Candidate 2 - ? -

Keep in Mind Dali minght be good but they will not work with CA AXA 25 for example so I will not consider.

thanks in advance

Hiya.

I think your Cambridges could be at fault rather than speakers. The whole kit screams bright. This often results in a fatiguing presentation, especially over longer listening sessions. My basic rule of thumb when building a system is to mix light and dark (lively with smooth)

How do you know Dalis don't work with Cambridge?

 

[dommaku2]

thanks

brightness for me it's hissing sound - here violin for example it's not hissing it's just "hum" but annoying one rather than enjoyable. (not sure what is the best word in English)

Dali wise - AXA 25 is 25 Watts that is not enough to drive even the Spector 2 i.e. they need more power to get bare minimum from Dali's. It was not the case based on manufacturer recommendation for Triangle's and is not for Focal Aira 906.

 

[plastic penguin]

thanks

brightness for me it's hissing sound - here violin for example it's not hissing it's just "hum" but annoying one rather than enjoyable. (not sure what is the best word in English)

Dali wise - AXA 25 is 25 Watts that is not enough to drive even the Spector 2 i.e. they need more power to get bare minimum from Dali's. It was not the case based on manufacturer recommendation for Triangle's and is not for Focal Aira 906.

Firstly, the hissing sounds like what's called sibilance. This results in symbols sounding "splashy" and vocalist with "s" in the lyrics sounds like a hissing snake. No idea what the "hum" is, it's sounds like a earthing problem with either amp or source. I would check all wiring and make sure everything is connected correctly.

Regarding the amp being 25 watts and minimum speaker requirements is 30 watts are only manufacturer recommendations.

I'm not a fan of budget Cambridge stuff. Reading between the lines it sounds like you have system imbalance-- everything is on the bright side.

 

[Al ears]

Firstly, the hissing sounds like what's called sibilance. This results in symbols sounding "splashy" and vocalist with "s" in the lyrics sounds like a hissing snake. No idea what the "hum" is, it's sounds like a earthing problem with either amp or source. I would check all wiring and make sure everything is connected correctly.

Regarding the amp being 25 watts and minimum speaker requirements is 30 watts are only manufacturer recommendations.

I'm not a fan of budget Cambridge stuff. Reading between the lines it sounds like you have system imbalance-- everything is on the bright side.

I would agree, that amplifier is certainly not going to help matters.

 

[dommaku2]

Firstly, the hissing sounds like what's called sibilance. This results in symbols sounding "splashy" and vocalist with "s" in the lyrics sounds like a hissing snake. No idea what the "hum" is, it's sounds like a earthing problem with either amp or source. I would check all wiring and make sure everything is connected correctly.

- Buzzing is better, so no hissing but muddy non musical buzzing when it comes to violin. It's not distorition it's just feels non enjoyable. Same vith choir seemed hmm lacking some detail/muddy.

 

[plastic penguin]

- Buzzing is better, so no hissing but muddy non musical buzzing when it comes to violin. It's not distorition it's just feels non enjoyable. Same vith choir seemed hmm lacking some detail/muddy.

It's unlikely the hum or buzz and sibilance are related.

The non musical or enjoyment is your system imbalance. I think your AXA 25 superseded the Cambridge Topaz range, which was, quite frankly, non-descript.

I would advise you try a different amp. No idea what's available locally but anything other than budget Cambridge.

 

[dommaku2]

I seen Marantz 6005 on ebay for £200 - but before I pull the triger I will visit Richer Sounds and try those cheap cambridge CA 25 or 35 with at least 3 bookshelf speakers.

I just hope it's not DAC or Cable quality issue.

 

[plastic penguin]

I seen Marantz 6005 on ebay for £200 - but before I pull the triger I will visit Richer Sounds and try those cheap cambridge CA 25 or 35 with at least 3 bookshelf speakers.

I just hope it's not DAC or Cable quality issue.

Is just Cambridge and Marantz you can get?

Personally, Marantz and Triangle is a better match. Can you not demo entry-level Arcams or something similar? This is just my personal opinion.

Synergy is incredibly important.

 

[dommaku2]

I think it's hype on What HI Fi - It's always Marantz winning but I can see ARCAM A70 AMPLIFIER for 200£ on ebay which also seems interesting.
+ Just read review of Arcam A70 that it's boring and bright :/

 

[plastic penguin]

I think it's hype on What HI Fi - It's always Marantz winning but I can see ARCAM A70 AMPLIFIER for 200£ on ebay which also seems interesting.
+ Just read review of Arcam A70 that it's boring and bright :/

I'm a big Arcam fan. I've owned their amps and CD player for a scary amount of time over the decades. Really liked most of the DIVA range but the A70 is the worst of the pack. Wasn't bright just non-descript -- it was soulless.

As you have a Richer Sounds listen to a Denon, Marantz 6007 or even a Arcam SA10. I'll guarantee all those will be better than the puny Cambridge.

If you want to buy used, look at a old Creek Evo (either 1 or 2). Creek is so underrated.

 

[Al ears]

I'm a big Arcam fan. I've owned their amps and CD player for a scary amount of time over the decades. Really liked most of the DIVA range but the A70 is the worst of the pack. Wasn't bright just non-descript -- it was soulless.

As you have a Richer Sounds listen to a Denon, Marantz 6007 or even a Arcam SA10. I'll guarantee all those will be better than the puny Cambridge.

If you want to buy used, look at a old Creek Evo (either 1 or 2). Creek is so underrated.

I would second the Creek, depending on what sources he is using

 

[dommaku2]

Source is Apple Music to DAC magic 100

 

[plastic penguin]

Source is Apple Music to DAC magic 100

Your sources shouldn't be an issue. It's either the amp or speakers. They are the heart and soul of the system

 

[plastic penguin]

I would second the Creek, depending on what sources he is using

As he's using the Dac, it shouldn't be a problem.

 

[Al ears]

As he's using the Dac, it shouldn't be a problem.

True, as long as a turntable isn't required

 

[Zakhele]

Hi
My current hi fi : Cambridge Audio AXA 25 + Triangle Borea BR03 + DAC Magic 100
BR03 got good enough bass, Scene is fantastic you play Louis Armstrong and it feels he stands in front of you but it does't feels enjoyable comparing to hi fi set up I used to have (floor standing Canton GLE)

examples:
- choir in Danny Elfman - Ice Dance feels muffled/muddy/distorted (i think hard to describe - tiring not enjoyable). When I had my previous (sold) set up it used to be something I could just re play 3 times in a row getting excitement.
- trumpets, string instruments feel tiring (multiple songs) - It used to be source of enjoyment.
- Some overall lack of dynamics

Can you tell me model/make of speakers that will be better than BR03? (can be older)

Candidate 1 - Focal Aira 906 - Will work well with CA AXA 25
Candidate 2 - ? -

Keep in Mind Dali minght be good but they will not work with CA AXA 25 for example so I will not consider.

thanks in advance

Keep the Triangle BRO3 and buy the NAD C316BEE V2 ( £299 new )and thank me later

 

[plastic penguin]

True, as long as a turntable isn't required

If there's enough inputs for a Dac and phono stage it shouldn't be a problem

 

[Al ears]

If there's enough inputs for a Dac and phono stage it shouldn't be a problem

what I meant was they don't tend to have an inbuilt phono stage any more, it now tends to be an optional expensive plug in module. However if he's only using digital vand has an external DAC that's fine.

 

[robdmarsh]

If you could find a well priced Denon pma 800ne, I think it would make the br03 speakers sing. Here they come up on eBay quite regularly for £260 to £280.

 

[plastic penguin]

what I meant was they don't tend to have an inbuilt phono stage any more, it now tends to be an optional expensive plug in module. However if he's only using digital vand has an external DAC that's fine.

To be honest Al, none of Evos had a built-in phono stage. When I demoed the Evo 2 back in 2010, the dealer could offer a module but that was around £300 IIRC, which took it over my allotted budget.

 

[plastic penguin]

If you could find a well priced Denon pma 800ne, I think it would make the br03 speakers sing. Here they come up on eBay quite regularly for £260 to £280.

This is what I mentioned in one of the above posts. Anything would be improvement over the Cambridges.

 

[Al ears]

To be honest Al, none of Evos had a built-in phono stage. When I demoed the Evo 2 back in 2010, the dealer could offer a module but that was around £300 IIRC, which took it over my allotted budget.

that's understood. Earlier Creek amps had exceptional inbuilt phono stages. They went cost cutting after these unfortunately.

 

[plastic penguin]

that's understood. Earlier Creek amps had exceptional inbuilt phono stages. They went cost cutting after these unfortunately.

That was before my Creek experience. Loved the sound of the Evo 2 but the price of the module choked me off back then.

The later ones (Evo 50 and 100) I seem to remember you had to buy a module if you wanted a tuner. It's a bit of a rip-off.

 

[gasolin]

Cambridge audio AXA25 don't have to much bass and there for can sound brigther than most amps it also sounds clearer than mopst amps

The nad amp has crosstalk

Marants PM6005 i think also lack a little bass

The Trangle Borea BR03 don't have to much bass and can sound intrusive,sharp in the highs, lower tweeter

Zeos pantera don't like them (he is live on twitch right now), i would change the speakers Definitive Technology D7 are pretty good despite there small size

If you want active spakers i can highly recommend Eve audio SC 205