Charlie Jefferson
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knacker:I thought they sounded very flat- the mono version but maybe it's just me
You're ahead of me on actually hearing them, Mr Knacker, but from the reviews I've read the consensus seems to be that the mono versions are the "authentic", truer versions, certainly up to Rubber Soul. From thereon and up to the White Album it's an interesting debate about whether stereo or mono wins out. The couple of in depth reviews I've read suggest it's swings & roundabouts between the two. Interestingly, most reviews mention, as you did, how awful Tomorrow Never Knows sounds in its re-mastered form.
I'm going with the Mono box and the three latter albums in stereo. Roll on tomorrow.
You're ahead of me on actually hearing them, Mr Knacker, but from the reviews I've read the consensus seems to be that the mono versions are the "authentic", truer versions, certainly up to Rubber Soul. From thereon and up to the White Album it's an interesting debate about whether stereo or mono wins out. The couple of in depth reviews I've read suggest it's swings & roundabouts between the two. Interestingly, most reviews mention, as you did, how awful Tomorrow Never Knows sounds in its re-mastered form.
I'm going with the Mono box and the three latter albums in stereo. Roll on tomorrow.
matengawhat
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mines been dispatched today so lookling forward to getting - i have bought the stereo ones as i know the mono signal would just drive me nuts!
Clare Newsome:Fenton Beasley:
Music is art. There is no good or bad art.
You are Yoko Ono, and I claim my £5
Will you take that in 500 one pence pieces?
Music is art. There is no good or bad art.
You are Yoko Ono, and I claim my £5
Will you take that in 500 one pence pieces?
a few years back, I bought the boxed 25th anniversary edition of Band on the Run ... comprises 2 cd's in a box with a booklet and another fold up poster ... think this one was also remastered .... cannot remember what I paid, but think it was near £30
also have a special remastered edition of Mike oldfield's tubular bells
dont have any beatles cd's as yet, so may buy the new remastered set once prices come down a bit (perhaps Tesco may stock them for cheaper?)
also have a special remastered edition of Mike oldfield's tubular bells
dont have any beatles cd's as yet, so may buy the new remastered set once prices come down a bit (perhaps Tesco may stock them for cheaper?)
I've gone for the stereo boxset
a) because I listen to the later albums far more than the earlier ones, and
b) i've got the earlier albums in mono on vinyl. too - and they sound better than the existing mono CDs....
Talking of which... has anyone ordered any of the remasters on vinyl?
a) because I listen to the later albums far more than the earlier ones, and
b) i've got the earlier albums in mono on vinyl. too - and they sound better than the existing mono CDs....
Talking of which... has anyone ordered any of the remasters on vinyl?
I thought the remastered series was a CD only release?
Didn't John Lennon once say, "you haven't heard Sgt Pepper until you've heard it in mono"?
Didn't John Lennon once say, "you haven't heard Sgt Pepper until you've heard it in mono"?
ElectroMan
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manicm
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ElectroMan:
Didn't he also say he thought it was all rubbish, apart from A Day in the Life?
No he never said that, what he did say that he would have liked to remix the entire Beatles catalogue, in the latest biography he apparently told this to George Martin sometime in the 70s. And he kept telling Yoko how he would have loved to perform I Want To Hold Your Hand.
Didn't he also say he thought it was all rubbish, apart from A Day in the Life?
No he never said that, what he did say that he would have liked to remix the entire Beatles catalogue, in the latest biography he apparently told this to George Martin sometime in the 70s. And he kept telling Yoko how he would have loved to perform I Want To Hold Your Hand.
manicm
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chebby:
Gerrardasnails:Abba, Beatles and Pink Floyd. Come on, do they deserve to be in the same post?
Pink floyd - mostly - appeal to men of a certain age who spent a lot of time in student digs getting wrecked with other ernest young blokes with long greasy hair and ex-army greatcoats, muttering 'far-out' whilst listening to introspective, depressing, overblown 'prog rock' and convincing themselves they were very clever for doing so. Thank goodness punk, new-wave, two-tone, disco, soul, Ska and Reggae blasted those depressing old f**ts into the ether in their cosmic teapots.
The rest of us would shower, put on our smart togs and go and dance all night - with girls - to music that had not lost that vital element of all such music. Sex.
Sorry, but Yes, Genesis, PF and other such tripe where a 40 minute 'track' needed vast inflatable objects, crashing aircraft and billion dollar light shows to keep people awake, were not descended from rock & roll but came from Music Hall and the circus and 'end-of-the-pier' high camp.
Rock & Roll was supposed to shock the parents & teachers and be about youthful rebellion and sex. It's roots came from the 'wrong side of the tracks' and the seedier/seemier elements of American popular music and Jazz (usually brothels or 'cathouses' if you go back far enough). English prog rock was rooted in the single gender Public schools and Universities and Art schools that a lot of it's performers emanated from.
Chebby, about Pink Floyd you're way off the mark here - you take the same superficial view of them as Madonna - to say that they're boys' music. Greasy hair?? Sorry mate, you're out of it here - they were never hippies and never appealed to your average hippy gang-banger. All of them came from middle-class backgrounds and their music, esp, Dark Side and Wish You Were Here were cerebral, magnificent pieces - so being cerebral is 'boys music'??
That's a ludicrous notion by Madonna and her ilk who frankly do not know better. In fact I took my ex-girlfriend to a Roger Waters show 7 years ago and, not being familiar with mid-70s Floyd, she was mesmerised by Shine On You Crazy Diamond, esp. when a revolving, slowly rising pod with dazzling spotlights cast its glow on the audience - what a show.
And punk lasted, what, all of 6 months? Don't get me wrong I loved punk, but I think The Clash's London Calling was a terribly overrrated album - its eclecticness failed to compensate for some pretty lacklustre and songwriting.
Also on greasy hair - did you notice the one partner of Steely Dan - no, don't expect Madonna to 'get' them either.
Gerrardasnails:Abba, Beatles and Pink Floyd. Come on, do they deserve to be in the same post?
Pink floyd - mostly - appeal to men of a certain age who spent a lot of time in student digs getting wrecked with other ernest young blokes with long greasy hair and ex-army greatcoats, muttering 'far-out' whilst listening to introspective, depressing, overblown 'prog rock' and convincing themselves they were very clever for doing so. Thank goodness punk, new-wave, two-tone, disco, soul, Ska and Reggae blasted those depressing old f**ts into the ether in their cosmic teapots.
The rest of us would shower, put on our smart togs and go and dance all night - with girls - to music that had not lost that vital element of all such music. Sex.
Sorry, but Yes, Genesis, PF and other such tripe where a 40 minute 'track' needed vast inflatable objects, crashing aircraft and billion dollar light shows to keep people awake, were not descended from rock & roll but came from Music Hall and the circus and 'end-of-the-pier' high camp.
Rock & Roll was supposed to shock the parents & teachers and be about youthful rebellion and sex. It's roots came from the 'wrong side of the tracks' and the seedier/seemier elements of American popular music and Jazz (usually brothels or 'cathouses' if you go back far enough). English prog rock was rooted in the single gender Public schools and Universities and Art schools that a lot of it's performers emanated from.
Chebby, about Pink Floyd you're way off the mark here - you take the same superficial view of them as Madonna - to say that they're boys' music. Greasy hair?? Sorry mate, you're out of it here - they were never hippies and never appealed to your average hippy gang-banger. All of them came from middle-class backgrounds and their music, esp, Dark Side and Wish You Were Here were cerebral, magnificent pieces - so being cerebral is 'boys music'??
That's a ludicrous notion by Madonna and her ilk who frankly do not know better. In fact I took my ex-girlfriend to a Roger Waters show 7 years ago and, not being familiar with mid-70s Floyd, she was mesmerised by Shine On You Crazy Diamond, esp. when a revolving, slowly rising pod with dazzling spotlights cast its glow on the audience - what a show.
And punk lasted, what, all of 6 months? Don't get me wrong I loved punk, but I think The Clash's London Calling was a terribly overrrated album - its eclecticness failed to compensate for some pretty lacklustre and songwriting.
Also on greasy hair - did you notice the one partner of Steely Dan - no, don't expect Madonna to 'get' them either.
chebby
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Andrew Everard:I have to admit I much preferred The Rolling Stones and The Who, but then I guess the loveable moptops were really rather frightfully northern, while the Stones an' the 'Oo are Laaarnd'n boys, innay?
By coincidence, I've picked up a few titles of both recently; my quest for original release discs in preference to the (and especially in both these bands' cases) remastered versions got me a few of their earlier albums, Exile On Main Street in particular being a fabulous release. Also picked up SACDs of several Stones albums and a Mobile Fidelity mastered Hot Rocks 2. Sounds amazing.
The Who seem to have acquired more of a cult status of late, but on their game, they were incredibly good. Quadrophenia is a work of genius IMO.
And re: an earlier passing comment re: Genesis and others in the prog-rock 40-minute songs camp. It's probably worth pointing out that they didn't just arrive and be successful overnight, they spent years crafting their trade and in their lineup included some of the best musicians Britain's ever put out, Gabriel and Hackett still working, with Phil Collins easily one of the best drummers out their in his pomp.
As to their live shows, the Vari-lite you see all over the place these days was developed by Showco in the late 1970s and financed by, yes, Genesis. Used on their five dates at Wembley in 1981 to promote the Abacab album, they went out in proper for the first time the following year and not long after that everyone wanted them.
Maybe folks hate the music, but the talent, creativity and vision are harder to dismiss IMO.
EDIT: Heard an interview with the guys involved in remastering the Beatles albums. The bad news is limiting has been applied. The positive spin is it's "not too much and not as loud as many". Oh, well, that's all right then...
By coincidence, I've picked up a few titles of both recently; my quest for original release discs in preference to the (and especially in both these bands' cases) remastered versions got me a few of their earlier albums, Exile On Main Street in particular being a fabulous release. Also picked up SACDs of several Stones albums and a Mobile Fidelity mastered Hot Rocks 2. Sounds amazing.
The Who seem to have acquired more of a cult status of late, but on their game, they were incredibly good. Quadrophenia is a work of genius IMO.
And re: an earlier passing comment re: Genesis and others in the prog-rock 40-minute songs camp. It's probably worth pointing out that they didn't just arrive and be successful overnight, they spent years crafting their trade and in their lineup included some of the best musicians Britain's ever put out, Gabriel and Hackett still working, with Phil Collins easily one of the best drummers out their in his pomp.
As to their live shows, the Vari-lite you see all over the place these days was developed by Showco in the late 1970s and financed by, yes, Genesis. Used on their five dates at Wembley in 1981 to promote the Abacab album, they went out in proper for the first time the following year and not long after that everyone wanted them.
Maybe folks hate the music, but the talent, creativity and vision are harder to dismiss IMO.
EDIT: Heard an interview with the guys involved in remastering the Beatles albums. The bad news is limiting has been applied. The positive spin is it's "not too much and not as loud as many". Oh, well, that's all right then...
chebby
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manicm
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chebby:
Alright me old flower?
Want a nice cup of tea?
Gabriel in 1974 I think, can't recall offhand, that might've been the oft released Montreal show which was bootlegged many times over. The sleeve for L'Ange Gabriel used this shot for the cover.
And Gong, no other band quite like them. Any band that's got a song called "Squeezing Sponges Over Policemens' Heads" deserves five minutes of anyone's time IMO.
Alright me old flower?
Want a nice cup of tea?
Gabriel in 1974 I think, can't recall offhand, that might've been the oft released Montreal show which was bootlegged many times over. The sleeve for L'Ange Gabriel used this shot for the cover.
And Gong, no other band quite like them. Any band that's got a song called "Squeezing Sponges Over Policemens' Heads" deserves five minutes of anyone's time IMO.
ElectroMan:
Didn't he also say he thought it was all rubbish, apart from A Day in the Life?
Yes he did, and he was right. It was all rubbish
Didn't he also say he thought it was all rubbish, apart from A Day in the Life?
Yes he did, and he was right. It was all rubbish
Gusboll
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chebby:
Gerrardasnails:Abba, Beatles and Pink Floyd. Come on, do they deserve to be in the same post?
Pink floyd - mostly - appeal to men of a certain age who spent a lot of time in student digs getting wrecked with other ernest young blokes with long greasy hair and ex-army greatcoats, muttering 'far-out' whilst listening to introspective, depressing, overblown 'prog rock' and convincing themselves they were very clever for doing so. Thank goodness punk, new-wave, two-tone, disco, soul, Ska and Reggae blasted those depressing old f**ts into the ether in their cosmic teapots.
The rest of us would shower, put on our smart togs and go and dance all night - with girls - to music that had not lost that vital element of all such music. Sex.
Sorry, but Yes, Genesis, PF and other such tripe where a 40 minute 'track' needed vast inflatable objects, crashing aircraft and billion dollar light shows to keep people awake, were not descended from rock & roll but came from Music Hall and the circus and 'end-of-the-pier' high camp.
Rock & Roll was supposed to shock the parents & teachers and be about youthful rebellion and sex. It's roots came from the 'wrong side of the tracks' and the seedier/seemier elements of American popular music and Jazz (usually brothels or 'cathouses' if you go back far enough). English prog rock was rooted in the single gender Public schools and Universities and Art schools that a lot of it's performers emanated from.
So if the vital element of music is sex:
Anarchy in the UK (c.2.5 mins) v Echoes (c.25 mins)
I know which one my missus would choose
Gerrardasnails:Abba, Beatles and Pink Floyd. Come on, do they deserve to be in the same post?
Pink floyd - mostly - appeal to men of a certain age who spent a lot of time in student digs getting wrecked with other ernest young blokes with long greasy hair and ex-army greatcoats, muttering 'far-out' whilst listening to introspective, depressing, overblown 'prog rock' and convincing themselves they were very clever for doing so. Thank goodness punk, new-wave, two-tone, disco, soul, Ska and Reggae blasted those depressing old f**ts into the ether in their cosmic teapots.
The rest of us would shower, put on our smart togs and go and dance all night - with girls - to music that had not lost that vital element of all such music. Sex.
Sorry, but Yes, Genesis, PF and other such tripe where a 40 minute 'track' needed vast inflatable objects, crashing aircraft and billion dollar light shows to keep people awake, were not descended from rock & roll but came from Music Hall and the circus and 'end-of-the-pier' high camp.
Rock & Roll was supposed to shock the parents & teachers and be about youthful rebellion and sex. It's roots came from the 'wrong side of the tracks' and the seedier/seemier elements of American popular music and Jazz (usually brothels or 'cathouses' if you go back far enough). English prog rock was rooted in the single gender Public schools and Universities and Art schools that a lot of it's performers emanated from.
So if the vital element of music is sex:
Anarchy in the UK (c.2.5 mins) v Echoes (c.25 mins)
I know which one my missus would choose
chebby
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Listening to progressive rock did not stop me finding a partner and she doesn't make me watch eastenders. She also told me to stop about and buy the oppo blu-ray, so I don't think it has done me any harm 
chebby
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hammill:
Listening to progressive rock did not stop me finding a partner...
I guess everyone has things they don't tell their partners about at first. She forgave you and that's whats important.
Listening to progressive rock did not stop me finding a partner...
I guess everyone has things they don't tell their partners about at first. She forgave you and that's whats important.
Pete Shields
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Anybody got their mitts on the remasters yet?
Would be nice to hear whether they are actually any good compared to the 1987 releases, and whether they are worth the extra outlay.
Also back to Prog, anybody going to buy the Genesis live collection when it shows on the 14th September. Would like to hear a less sanitised version of seconds out....
Would be nice to hear whether they are actually any good compared to the 1987 releases, and whether they are worth the extra outlay.
Also back to Prog, anybody going to buy the Genesis live collection when it shows on the 14th September. Would like to hear a less sanitised version of seconds out....
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