Bialykot said:
Thx for the info - it's always more meaningful when you get a comparison against previously owned kit.
Without enjoyment, you have nothing...and if you can get it with less boxes, it's all the better.
Cno
Thx for the info - it's always more meaningful when you get a comparison against previously owned kit.
Without enjoyment, you have nothing...and if you can get it with less boxes, it's all the better.
Cno
audiokid said:
The latest version, the ones you have in the Red Spot, have new drivers which "do" bass. The earlier models were widely praised for the sound they put out, but generally felt they were bass light (depending on whose view you subscribe to, they were either accurate and gave you "real" bass, or they were on the shy side).
I bought a pair roughly two years ago for my Dad as we were digitising his record collection. Also as an attempt to simplify his listening experience.
I personally thought they were ok sounding , nothing earth shattering tho. My Dad likes streaming with no buttons so they have done ok by him.
I personally wouldn't give them house room due to the unpleasant views of the sales guy.
I personally thought they were ok sounding , nothing earth shattering tho. My Dad likes streaming with no buttons so they have done ok by him.
I personally wouldn't give them house room due to the unpleasant views of the sales guy.
Sorry, I don't recognise that view at all.
He is confident in his products, and very forthright in his opinions (sometimes a little too forthright). But he has more experience and knows more about hi fi than most of us here ever will.
Have you based your opinions on the negative comments on here.
Hes a nice bloke when you meet him, and he keeps in touch with his customers. I can see how he winds people up, I do too sometimes.
UNPLEASANT VIEWS, not fair.
He is confident in his products, and very forthright in his opinions (sometimes a little too forthright). But he has more experience and knows more about hi fi than most of us here ever will.
Have you based your opinions on the negative comments on here.
Hes a nice bloke when you meet him, and he keeps in touch with his customers. I can see how he winds people up, I do too sometimes.
UNPLEASANT VIEWS, not fair.
audiokid said:
I really meant some kind of separate, external reference.
I suppose a piano might sound a bit brighter if the bass extension is less. Earlier I had a listen to some piano music on my ADM9Ts (which I rarely listen to any more) and I can perhaps see what you mean here.
BenLaw
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I'm not going to start a slanging match. The speakers do a job , my father is happy. I'm happy because he is still enjoying his music. I was wrong to bring my personal choice into this thread.
Having said that......you can see the wadding inside them through the port.....I don't like that either.
I've only heard the 9s, didn't really look too closely at the build, although to be fair the ADM40s are very high quality.
If only everybody could make a cabinet like MA.
If only everybody could make a cabinet like MA.
Well, I listened, and I'm still undecided. The ADM9s (no, not the latest version; Bartletts was offloading older ones at a reduced price) had quite exceptional clarity but I failed to be moved by them. God knows what was going on. It could have been the day, my mood, the space, who knows. I just didn't feel swayed by the music. It felt more like an operation. Perhaps some would just call all of this distortion.
SB
SB
Messiah
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Did you try them with a Sub?
I think the overall sound is much better with a sub involved but then I have always preferred a standmount/sub combination.
I think the overall sound is much better with a sub involved but then I have always preferred a standmount/sub combination.
I've got a pretty sorry record with shop demos myself.
Some people find them different and thus are alittle unsettled or confused by them.
What you were hearing was a lack of distortion.
Even by AVIs admission, pre RS models played much better with a sub.
Some people find them different and thus are alittle unsettled or confused by them.
What you were hearing was a lack of distortion.
Even by AVIs admission, pre RS models played much better with a sub.
Overdose
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The addition of a sub is all well and good, but if a sub is required for the ADMs, that pushes the price to £2K. For that money, I'd be looking at a different set of actives altogether.
Messiah
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Yes but only if you buy a £750 sub.
Very decent subs can be had for much less. I use an old Yamaha one that has served me well for many years.
Very decent subs can be had for much less. I use an old Yamaha one that has served me well for many years.
Overdose
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True indeed, but it's still extra cost and one extra box for those that want less bits of equipment. That said, the ADMs still include preamp and DAC and are still excellent VFM.
Alec
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plastic penguin
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I've been trying to keep away from this thread, purely because I don't have an opinion on active SQ, not heard and don't have any real ambition to go out and hear any TBH. Like any hi-fi, some love them while others don't. That's totally understandable. Swings and roundabout, I suppose.
The one thing that puzzles me, and I could be totally and utterly wrong, is I've heard (or read is more accurate) over the past year or two statements to the tune of "AVIs are better than any system below 10k". To me that is a very over-lofty claim for a £1200 active. Surely if that was the case then more people would be buying active? As I said, could be totally wrong, and these active are that good, and if so then I applaud the technicians and engineers who created the active.
A little clarity would be good.
The one thing that puzzles me, and I could be totally and utterly wrong, is I've heard (or read is more accurate) over the past year or two statements to the tune of "AVIs are better than any system below 10k". To me that is a very over-lofty claim for a £1200 active. Surely if that was the case then more people would be buying active? As I said, could be totally wrong, and these active are that good, and if so then I applaud the technicians and engineers who created the active.
A little clarity would be good.
Alec
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So you don't really care about those claims, as you have no wish to hear any actives. But then you ask for clarity, when what you are asking lacks, well...
It doesn't really matter.
It doesn't really matter.
Messiah
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plastic penguin said:
I think the AVIs are fantastic speakers and have outperformed a more expensive Cyrus / MA system I had before but I would not say they beat any system below 10k. As you say, if that were the case then why doesn't everyone have them?
I guess AVI actives are like any other brand / type of hifi that has its own house sound. For some they will find it ideal and maybe better than their 10k system but for others they will not.
I heard quite a few impressive systems at The Bristol Show a couple of years ago. Each had their own strengths and weaknesses and I do not think the AVIs are any different. For me I want outstanding clarity and I am prepared to sacrifice other qualities to get this and this is what the AVIs offer.
plastic penguin
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Messiah said:
That's fair enough - I can understand that. My main concern would be these "other" outlandish claims could mis-lead those with less experience to go down the wrong path.
As I said, something Alec doesn't seem to grasp, is I'm not knocking the virtues of actives but trying to gain a realistic take on the pros and cons of actives.
As it stands, my current set-up, though not technically the best, sounds "right". The tonal qualities are as good as I could ever hope for, so for me it's about not rockin' the boat.
The old saying applies to hi-fi: If something is too good to be true, then it usually is...
Thanks, Messiah.
Alec
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I don't recall saying, or even implying, that you were knocking anything. You're just starting the same ol'. Again.
Goodnight.
Goodnight.
SimonDB said:
I totally agree about the ADM9's being uninvolving. I find that this happens with rock and pop music with over-lean speakers like the ADM9's. You lose the punch of the bass guitar and kick drum that drives so many tracks along. They are also a bit dynamically compressed, which doesn't help.
plastic penguin
Well-known member
Alec said:
Please don't be spikey. I'm only trying to understand why you and other active users rate them so high. I don't have opinion because I've not heard them - I've not even seen a pair in the flesh, only in pictures.
I've never had rabbit pie, but that doesn't mean I can't ask questions about the fluffy pastry.
Nightie night.
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