AVI ADM 9.1

[JoelSim]

Andrew Everard:
Exactly, we'd be daft to pander to manufacturers like that - if they don't want to supply products for review, that's their problem.

And yes, we're keeping a close eye on how close to the wind manufacturers and retailers sail when it comes to offering 'advice' to forum users.

Glad to hear it. I think he's overstepped the mark

 

[Andrew Everard]

Your opinion is noted.

 

[JoelSim]

I'm a massive AVI Neutron IV fan, think they are excellent speakers but this leaves a sour taste. It's not what the forum is all about which is independent people's opinions and UNBIASED advice from the experts

 

[Andrew Everard]

Thanks for the tutorial on what the Forum is about.

I'm quite happy for manufacturers/retailers to offer their opinions, provided they do so with an open acknowledgement of where they're coming from, and I think most Forum users are intelligent enough to take a manufacturer's comments about his or her own products with more than a pinch of salt.

But on a commercial level, if a manufacturer thinks the Forum, or any other part of the site, is an ideal platform on which to promote his or her products, our advertising department is of course waiting for that call, and will be happy to discuss ad positions within the pages.

 

[drummerman]

JoelSim:I'm a massive AVI Neutron IV fan, think they are excellent speakers but this leaves a sour taste. It's not what the forum is all about which is independent people's opinions and UNBIASED advice from the experts

We're all biased and I'm not an expert but there are ways to go about it such as go and listen to the them (AVI's) yourself and then form an opinion. You're a big boy, most of us are (claire and Hughes123 excluded of course

) and can make your own mind up. You dont need to join the pack and contribute to the cheap shots. I hope a product review of the 9.1 will take place and go some way to back up AJ's claims and views.

 

[drummerman]

... but I've done again what I dont like to be done to me ... namely to be told what to say. Sorry JS, you know what I mean. I dont want to continuously defend AVI, they dont need me for that anyway and I think history shows they know what they do.

 

[chebby]

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[Anonymous]

chebby wrote the following post at Sun, Jul 20 2008 12:20 PM:

"I am not used to this idea of belonging to 'camps' when it comes to consumer durables. I have Nikon and Canon and Minolta cameras (film and digital) and have PCs and iMac in our home. If someone makes a great product that I like the sound of, and I can afford it, I will get it regardless of other people's brand loyalties."

I can see what you mean....I still like to see what forum members' systems are however. It makes it that much easier to validate their advice and opinion. Remember the forum members with the strongest opinion on certain type of products they later admitted never to have heard?

To Drummerman: Thanks for your review and considerations concerning the Avis. I'm going to assess them myself in a couple of weeks; will be interesting to see how they compare to Sennheisers hd650s (no crossover ;-)...
When reading your posts it seems quite clear to me you need more time evaluating the product, preferably in your own home. It's the only way to make sure you could live with the sound they produce in relation to your room. I'm sure Avi or a friendly Avi dealer in the neighbourhood would be willing to lend you a pair for a home trial.

 

[drummerman]

Solomon1:chebby wrote the following post at Sun, Jul 20 2008 12:20 PM: "I am not used to this idea of belonging to 'camps' when it comes to consumer durables. I have Nikon and Canon and Minolta cameras (film and digital) and have PCs and iMac in our home. If someone makes a great product that I like the sound of, and I can afford it, I will get it regardless of other people's brand loyalties." I can see what you mean....I still like to see what forum members' systems are however. It makes it that much easier to validate their advice and opinion. Remember the forum members with the strongest opinion on certain type of products they later admitted never to have heard? To Drummerman: Thanks for your review and considerations concerning the Avis. I'm going to assess them myself in a couple of weeks; will be interesting to see how they compare to Sennheisers hd650s (no crossover ;-)... When reading your posts it seems quite clear to me you need more time evaluating the product, preferably in your own home. It's the only way to make sure you could live with the sound they produce in relation to your room. I'm sure Avi or a friendly Avi dealer in the neighbourhood would be willing to lend you a pair for a home trial.

Agree, a home trial is the only reliable way to assess speakers. When I hear products I usually mention if it was a short audition if I post any comments about them. In case of the AVI's, I have heard them on three occasions in three different locations/rooms. I got a pretty good idea how they sound but there's no substitute for a home dem, something I always recommend. I feel in this case its not so much a question whether they work in my place but rather if I can live with them long term, as I have mentioned in my first posting.

 

[Anonymous]

chebby:

Since reading recent Naim vs Arcam vs product x 'barnies' on certain threads I have removed the part of my signature that identifies my equipment so that I do not get associated with some 'camp' or other as a follower or fanboy.

I am not used to this idea of belonging to 'camps' when it comes to consumer durables. I have Nikon and Canon and Minolta cameras (film and digital) and have PCs and iMac in our home. If someone makes a great product that I like the sound of, and I can afford it, I will get it regardless of other people's brand loyalties.

You shouldn't have to remove your sig - , as long as you approach things from a balanced perspective that's all that matters. I'm not aware of any camps, that's so 'school playground' - Re: Arcam Vs Naim etc In case there was any doubt when I take the pxxs, it's exactly that, just jesting for the sake of it. ( i hope that is clear :_)right JS? You know you can take the pxxs out of Primare all day long - I won't take it personally! I just wanted to write that because I'm on the forum alot because A) I enjoy it B) I learn alot from other users here C) i can sometimes help others re: pretty basic stuff D) We can all talk about hifi! E) It's good to be able to ask questions without feeling the need to be PC in certain cases as long as it's not being excessively rude.

If I felt it has all broken into petty camps and 24/7 squabbling I'd just go - It's not like that is it???

 

[Anonymous]

drummerman:
Solomon1:chebby wrote the following post at Sun, Jul 20 2008 12:20 PM: "I am not used to this idea of belonging to 'camps' when it comes to consumer durables. I have Nikon and Canon and Minolta cameras (film and digital) and have PCs and iMac in our home. If someone makes a great product that I like the sound of, and I can afford it, I will get it regardless of other people's brand loyalties." I can see what you mean....I still like to see what forum members' systems are however. It makes it that much easier to validate their advice and opinion. Remember the forum members with the strongest opinion on certain type of products they later admitted never to have heard? To Drummerman: Thanks for your review and considerations concerning the Avis. I'm going to assess them myself in a couple of weeks; will be interesting to see how they compare to Sennheisers hd650s (no crossover ;-)... When reading your posts it seems quite clear to me you need more time evaluating the product, preferably in your own home. It's the only way to make sure you could live with the sound they produce in relation to your room. I'm sure Avi or a friendly Avi dealer in the neighbourhood would be willing to lend you a pair for a home trial.

Agree, a home trial is the only reliable way to assess speakers. When I hear products I usually mention if it was a short audition if I post any comments about them. In case of the AVI's, I have heard them on three occasions in three different locations/rooms. I got a pretty good idea how they sound but there's no substitute for a home dem, something I always recommend. I feel in this case its not so much a question whether they work in my place but rather if I can live with them long term, as I have mentioned in my first posting.

I see....brutally brittle and flat sounding with badly recorded material.....Well, that makes me even more curious as in my experience with computer based music -playing through headphones- the music sounds somewhat mellower than playing exactly the same file/song via cd!

 

[drummerman]

Solomon1:drummerman:

Solomon1:chebby wrote the following post at Sun, Jul 20 2008 12:20 PM: "I am not used to this idea of belonging to 'camps' when it comes to consumer durables. I have Nikon and Canon and Minolta cameras (film and digital) and have PCs and iMac in our home. If someone makes a great product that I like the sound of, and I can afford it, I will get it regardless of other people's brand loyalties." I can see what you mean....I still like to see what forum members' systems are however. It makes it that much easier to validate their advice and opinion. Remember the forum members with the strongest opinion on certain type of products they later admitted never to have heard? To Drummerman: Thanks for your review and considerations concerning the Avis. I'm going to assess them myself in a couple of weeks; will be interesting to see how they compare to Sennheisers hd650s (no crossover ;-)... When reading your posts it seems quite clear to me you need more time evaluating the product, preferably in your own home. It's the only way to make sure you could live with the sound they produce in relation to your room. I'm sure Avi or a friendly Avi dealer in the neighbourhood would be willing to lend you a pair for a home trial.

Agree, a home trial is the only reliable way to assess speakers. When I hear products I usually mention if it was a short audition if I post any comments about them. In case of the AVI's, I have heard them on three occasions in three different locations/rooms. I got a pretty good idea how they sound but there's no substitute for a home dem, something I always recommend. I feel in this case its not so much a question whether they work in my place but rather if I can live with them long term, as I have mentioned in my first posting.

I see....brutally brittle and flat sounding with badly recorded material.....Well, that makes me even more curious as in my experience with computer based music -playing through headphones- the music sounds somewhat mellower than playing exactly the same file/song via cd!

They certainly dont sound like sennheisers. Odd comparison but I think I know what you mean. The product is most likely going to be used with a pc/mac set up. Again, the internal DAC does the work so I can't see what difference using a pc/lossless files as source or cdp/dvdp as transport is going to make but then you maybe know more about that than I do.

 

[Anonymous]

All this talking about the AVIs high quality DAC makes me wonder if the ADMs actually have an extra rca OUT to connect up other devices? (thinking of my headphone setup for late night listening)
Reading their website again I believe they only feature one RCA IN plus two digital IN!
Ashley, please clarify!?

RE the sennheisers..I'm getting a bit tired with their mellowly sound...maybe it time for something completely different. If the ADM 9.1's don't satisfy, it'll probably be the grado/alessandro headphones, PROVIDED they are more comfortable now than the RS2's I tried out a few years ago...the comfort was bloody awful even putting them on for only 20 minutes.

 

[JoelSim]

I think that it's fine that people have strong opinions, especially about their own kit. After all that's why we're all here. I just think it's a bit too much when someone blatantly uses the forum to get across commercial messages to people who are requesting advice.

 

[Anonymous]

JoelSim:I think that it's fine that people have strong opinions, especially about their own kit. After all that's why we're all here. I just think it's a bit too much when someone blatantly uses the forum to get across commercial messages to people who are requesting advice.

Joel, please calm down. For someone working in advertising, you sure have a chip on your shoulder when strong advertising language is used outside it's designated advertising space. If you're so concerned with our clear judgement, why not tell us of some insider marketing techniques and tactics...I think it would make an informing and entertaining read.
Personally, I can heartily recommend the following documentary: The century of the self.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8953172273825999151&ei=wqmDSKP1NouOigLC4NCpCw&hl=nl

 

[Clare Newsome]

And still no reply from Ashley on when we'll be getting our review pair of speakers

 

[drummerman]

Clare Newsome:And still no reply from Ashley on when we'll be getting our review pair of speakers

Why dont you buy a pair and when you're done with it sell it to me at 20% off. Let you know about the colour later. Thanks

 

[the record spot]

JoelSim:I think that it's fine that people have strong opinions, especially about their own kit. After all that's why we're all here. I just think it's a bit too much when someone blatantly uses the forum to get across commercial messages to people who are requesting advice.

I would agree with that were the poster not declaring themselves or their connection with the given product in question/under discussion. Then the vested interest and the connection aren't clear to the reading public which isn't especially healthy IMO.

I think Ashley made it pretty clear at the outset and I have no issue with that and it's great to see someone from the industry posting here. Obviously, it'd be good if Roy Gandy, etc, could do the same....can we have a section in the forum menu for "Industry gurus"?!

 

[drummerman]

the record spot:JoelSim:I think that it's fine that people have strong opinions, especially about their own kit. After all that's why we're all here. I just think it's a bit too much when someone blatantly uses the forum to get across commercial messages to people who are requesting advice. I would agree with that were the poster not declaring themselves or their connection with the given product in question/under discussion. I think Ashley made it pretty clear at the outset and I have no issue with that. Obviously, it'd be good if Roy Gandy, etc, could do the same....can we have a section in the forum menu for "Industry gurus"?!

Top idea my friend

 

[Andrew Everard]

drummerman:
Why dont you buy a pair and when you're done with it sell it to me at 20% off. Let you know about the colour later. Thanks

Nice try.

 

[JoelSim]

Solomon1:JoelSim:I think that it's fine that people have strong opinions, especially about their own kit. After all that's why we're all here. I just think it's a bit too much when someone blatantly uses the forum to get across commercial messages to people who are requesting advice.

Joel, please calm down. For someone working in advertising, you sure have a chip on your shoulder when strong advertising language is used outside it's designated advertising space. If you're so concerned with our clear judgement, why not tell us of some insider marketing techniques and tactics...I think it would make an informing and entertaining read.
Personally, I can heartily recommend the following documentary: The century of the self.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8953172273825999151&ei=wqmDSKP1NouOigLC4NCpCw&hl=nl

Yes I must be one of the only ethical people in the business!

 

[John Duncan]

I have no issue with Ashley coming on here and advertising his products - you would expect him to like them, or else he wouldn't make them (presumably). I'm a big boy.

I'm more worried about his views on Apple.

 

[timwileman]

apples are good for you, an apple a day keeps the dentist away....i dont eat an apple a day and my teeth are rubbish so we have proof

 

[drummerman]

timwileman:apples are good for you, an apple a day keeps the dentist away....i dont eat an apple a day and my teeth are rubbish so we have proof

 

[Alec]

again, more despaerate words from WHF, when its so fa from necassary its not true.

its a shame whern neither party comes out looking good.

firstly, im not sure reviewing them would fit in with your ethos, woulkd it? i mean, thyre hardly widely agvailable.

secondly, bit of a waste of time to kep taking digs at ashley, eh? i mean, you do frequently respond to people who doubt your testing methods, and make sure you include the fact that you're jsut oh so dedicated that you buy the products where necassary.

so buy 'em and review 'em. or do'nt.

personally, dont care - theyre outta my league for now anyway.