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I have been looking at the Yamaha DSP-Z7, but on searching for the cheapest price i have found that i can get a Yamaha DSP-Z11 for the same price if not a bit cheaper. The only drawback is that it is an american model, I have been told it would be ok to use in the UK.

Has anyone got an american model? does it work ok on 240v or do u need to reduce the voltage?

I would still probably only use it on a 5 speaker system for now, would there still be any benfits on using this system over the Yamaha DSP-Z7? would the sound quality be better?
 
The American one will require a step down transformer, which will compromise it's quality. Any warranty issues will need to be addressed in the US, so you'd have to ship back at your expense. Also, you'd have to pay any customs fees, which won't be cheap.
 
given that it will need a step down transformer will it still give a better sound quality than the Yamaha DSP-Z7?

The price I can get it for is $2,499.99 which converts to approx £1563 plus the custom fee's and the postage.

Do you think this would be a good deal? or do you think I would be better off going for the Yamaha DSP-Z7 at a price of £1439

Any advise from the whf team?
 
I would buy UK stock from an official UK supplier. If it is too good to be true it normally is - Z11 are £5k RRP and roughly £4k last time I checked.
 
jokerpaulonline:
given that it will need a step down transformer will it still give a better sound quality than the Yamaha DSP-Z7?

The price I can get it for is $2,499.99 which converts to approx £1563 plus the custom fee's and the postage.

Do you think this would be a good deal? or do you think I would be better off going for the Yamaha DSP-Z7 at a price of £1439

Any advise from the whf team?
hi mate were have you seen the z7 for £1440 ? thats a great price!
 
Almost anywhere
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fowler:jokerpaulonline:

given that it will need a step down transformer will it still give a better sound quality than the Yamaha DSP-Z7?

The price I can get it for is $2,499.99 which converts to approx £1563 plus the custom fee's and the postage.

Do you think this would be a good deal? or do you think I would be better off going for the Yamaha DSP-Z7 at a price of £1439

Any advise from the whf team?

hi mate were have you seen the z7 for £1440 ? thats a great price!This could be moderated but hopefully will be taken in context

I'll sell you my Z7 for £1440.00 and buy the Z11 if thats a true price

Note of caution , I had a friend who bought a DVD player ( fig of 8 to 2 pin mains lead) from the US when they first came out and obviously needed a step down transformer.

He moved his kit and grabbed the first mains lead he found fig 8 to 3 pin UK , plugged it into the DVD and fried it , an all to easy mistake

Z7 or Z11 ???? no contest
 
and you will also have sales tax on top of the price, the yanks tend to add this after.
 
It appears that the US MSRP has dropped
substantially in lieu of the Z11 supposedly being discontinued (pending an announcement of its succesor in a couple of months). Either the US MSRP has been reduced about 3K. Thus most places over there are selling it for very low prices. I've seen it for around US$2300 and I am very interested in it at that price. If I can get in for AU$3000 or under including shipping and taxes and all that stuff I'd be very happy (particularly as it sells for some AU$8000 here).

FrankHarveyHiFi:

The American one will require a step down transformer, which will compromise it's quality. Any warranty issues will need to be addressed in the US, so you'd have to ship back at your expense. Also, you'd have to pay any customs fees, which won't be cheap.

That's unfortunate. I was under the impression that it had an auto-sensing power supply. Can you confirm that the US model of the RX-Z11 will only accept ~110V. Thanks!
 
I am not sure if I could be faffed with importing from the US and all the warranty issues that would entail - but I can't see any reason whatseover why using a step-down transformer would degrade the sound quality in the slightest - Frank - could you explain please ?

note you would have to pay a reasonable amount for the step-down though as it would have to support up to X watts, where X is quite a large number that I don't know what it is for the Z11

I wonder why Yamaha have not dropped the price in the UK ? 2499 dollars is very cheap for what you are getting with the Z11 and if we had a new price at 2k ish I'd be definately tempted in the UK
 
The price might not be dropping as Yamaha UK may not have much stock to move or alternatively the new Z11 ( if there is such a thing ) may be coming out in the 'States first.
 
Have you already calculated how much the import duty and VAT comes to ? Then add the shipping fees into the equation (which also won't be cheap). You'll be looking at considerably more than your original figure.

Like others have said, you will need a step down transformer, and if your unit fails under warranty you will still have to return it to the good 'ole U.S of A at your expense, which could also mean quite a wait until you get it back. You could of course get it serviced/repaired in this country from an authorised service centre at your expense, but Yamaha parts ain't cheap - especially for the Z11.

Even something as simple as the protection circuitry kicking in, getting locked and needing a reset,( a problem that isn't that uncommon for Yamaha AVR's ), will require work to be carried out by an authorised service centre.

Sometimes a deal that looks excellent value in the beginning, can turn out to be more expensive than you bargained for so definitely worth bearing that in mind.
 
Beta4Me: It appears that the US MSRP has dropped substantially in lieu of the Z11 supposedly being discontinued (pending an announcement of its succesor in a couple of months). Either the US MSRP has been reduced about 3K. Thus most places over there are selling it for very low prices. I've seen it for around US$2300 and I am very interested in it at that price. If I can get in for AU$3000 or under including shipping and taxes and all that stuff I'd be very happy (particularly as it sells for some AU$8000 here).

IF it is to be discontinued, what are they going to replace it with? What can be added, other than more HDMI's? (which I seriously doubt the average enthusiast has multiple sources anymore to need any more). The only other thing to be added is HDMI 1.4, which I can't see any manufacturer jumping into that so soon.

Beta4Me:That's unfortunate. I was under the impression that it had an auto-sensing power supply. Can you confirm that the US model of the RX-Z11 will only accept ~110V. Thanks!Not without checking with Yamaha on Monday, but I'm 99.99% certain it's a fixed power supply as many have talked on forums about ordering the RXZ11 from the US before, and no one has ever hinted at an auto switching power supply.
 
looks like a fixed voltage input from the manual anyway

you'd just need to buy a step down converter (big one)

I'd still be worried about warranty though

not sure why just because Z11 does everything that Yamaha wouldn't release a new version, new version could have new sound modes, Prologic 2z for instance ?, better upscaling video processing etc

differences were fairly slight between 3800 and 3900 ?

I hope Yamaha do announce a new flagship receiver soon as I'd love to buy a discontinued/discounted Z11 🙂
 
Buckshar: I am not sure if I could be faffed with importing from the US and all the warranty issues that would entail - but I can't see any reason whatseover why using a step-down transformer would degrade the sound quality in the slightest - Frank - could you explain please ?

David
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A step down transformer or convertor will have to perform to a certain spec. The Z11 is rated at 800w power consumption. Products that have video circuitry are going to need a decent quality transformer, and products that produce a large amount of power are going to need something that can cope with that demand. It's not really much of an issue for shavers etc, but we're talking about audio and delicate video signals which can easily be corrupted.
 
The other problem is that if the step down transformer/convertor causes any damage to the amplifier for any reason, that wouldn't be covered under warranty.
 
I doubt that Yamaha would need to reduce the price as it's not really the sort of product that they stockpile, so no need for any close out deals.
 
perhaps could have said the same re Arcam and the AVR350 ... and we know what happened with that one

obviously have a lot of US Z11s to shift ! 🙂
 
Buckshar:I'd just wait till the Z11 drops in price in the UK 🙂

That wouldn't help me thought, as I'm in Australia!
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jokerpaulonline:
I have been looking at the Yamaha DSP-Z7, but on searching for the cheapest price i have found that i can get a Yamaha DSP-Z11 for the same price if not a bit cheaper. The only drawback is that it is an american model, I have been told it would be ok to use in the UK.

Has anyone got an american model? does it work ok on 240v or do u need to reduce the voltage?

I would still probably only use it on a 5 speaker system for now, would there still be any benfits on using this system over the Yamaha DSP-Z7? would the sound quality be better?

WARNING - As others have mentioned - stay away from US Amps that require Transformers to work.

I bought the Denon AVR-4308. Nothing but problems it has created.

1. Quality Drops (unless you have a perfect transformer - dont think there is one)

2. Transformers of that sought are generally noisy so will always create a audible hum

3. Shipping Costs & All Other Taxes WILL add up to be expensive.

4. Adding up all the costs - the difference in saving is not as much as you think...

5. Lack of Warrenty is a nightmare (had to repair my Denon 3 times so far within 18 months - and yes you have to pay for EVERYTHING)
 
Vinny7:jokerpaulonline:

I have been looking at the Yamaha DSP-Z7, but on searching for the cheapest price i have found that i can get a Yamaha DSP-Z11 for the same price if not a bit cheaper. The only drawback is that it is an american model, I have been told it would be ok to use in the UK.

Has anyone got an american model? does it work ok on 240v or do u need to reduce the voltage?

I would still probably only use it on a 5 speaker system for now, would there still be any benfits on using this system over the Yamaha DSP-Z7? would the sound quality be better?

WARNING - As others have mentioned - stay away from US Amps that require Transformers to work.

I bought the Denon AVR-4308. Nothing but problems it has created.

1. Quality Drops (unless you have a perfect transformer - dont think there is one)

2. Transformers of that sought are generally noisy so will always create a audible hum

3. Shipping Costs & All Other Taxes WILL add up to be expensive.

4. Adding up all the costs - the difference in saving is not as much as you think...

5. Lack of Warrenty is a nightmare (had to repair my Denon 3 times so far within 18 months - and yes you have to pay for EVERYTHING)

Hi Vinny7

Good post.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft
 
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