will the kuro ever be beaten ?

[The_Lhc]

TKratz:Clare Newsome:I'd still back the 42in Pioneer for class-leading black levels, and a firm grip on motion, but it can't escape its lower-resolution, HD Ready spec - with HD content (TV or Blu-ray), you simply see much more detail on newer, higher-resolution Full HD rivals. The newer sets also offer more in terms of connectivity, if that matters to you.

Claire, you are of course entitled to have your view, but it can be challenged. At least on many of the forum's I consider respectable the qualified experts still refer to Pioneer as the best ever 42in telly.

So what exactly makes someone an "expert" and "qualified" when it comes to looking at TVs? And why don't you consider anyone on the magazine to have such expert qualifications?

More to the point, why would anyone waste their time coming here, simply to dispute everything that the magazine staff say? I've never understood that, to be so relentlessly negative, you must have something better to do with your time? Or are you that desperate to try to prove yourself "better" than the staff (whatever "better" means in this context)? I can't think of any other reason for it.

Remember that FullHD is not relly of any importance at these screen sizes and normal viewing distances.

Cobblers, 32" maybe you're right, but 42"?

You need to sit gloser than 1.7 meter from a 42 inch FullHD telly to tell pixels apart, and thereby get the benifit of FullHD. If your eyes haven't been modified from the natural ones of course

It is all about physics: http://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.php?subaction=showfull&id=1229341535

And this is your own research is it? I think you've completely misread that webpage, the 1.7m isn't the furthest distance you should sit from a 42" screen "to get the benifit(sic) of FullHD", it's the CLOSEST! Any closer than that and you will be able to distinguish the individual pixels and that's the LAST thing you want, it's supposed to look like one coherent image, not a collection of individual pixels, otherwise we'd all want to sit with our noses on the screen, so we could see each pixel individually.

All that's saying is that you can sit about half a meter closer to a 1080p 42" screen than you can a 720p one, which could be very useful if you don't have that big a room.

 

[Sorreltiger]

As an 8G Kuro owner, I agree entirely with Clare's assessment. I have certainly seen Full HD TVs that produce a slightly sharper image. The overall quality of Blu-ray is excellent, with all the positives Clare cites. Nevertheless, images are simply not as sharp as I've seen on Full HD TVs. To present another dimension to the issue, however, and it affects the majority of my viewing experience. There isn't actually any consistency of sharpness as far as broadcasts are concerned. Fortunately, some of my favourite programmes are the sharpest: Premiership Rugby and Soccer are excellent. I find the picture for my Friday night pot-boiler, The Tudors, superbly 'painterly'. Any sharper and it would, I believe, start to look unnatural. I simply do not experience the level of hyper-sharpness presented by some LCD sets in real life. Perhaps it's just my poor, ageing eyes!

 

[TKratz]

the_lhc:

TKratz:Claire, you are of course entitled to have your view, but it can be challenged. At least on many of the forum's I consider respectable the qualified experts still refer to Pioneer as the best ever 42in telly.

So what exactly makes someone an "expert" and "qualified" when it comes to looking at TVs? And why don't you consider anyone on the magazine to have such expert qualifications?

That you are educated in the art of TV calibration and considered the leading expert on the field in Denmark by almost every sourch I have been able to find, or managing the site I linked to testing several TV's and monitors a week, making long and serious reviews and besides working as consultant for main media sources because of this expertise. These are not just some random forum members!

More to the point, why would anyone waste their time coming here, simply to dispute everything that the magazine staff say? I've never understood that, to be so relentlessly negative, you must have something better to do with your time? Or are you that desperate to try to prove yourself "better" than the staff (whatever "better" means in this context)? I can't think of any other reason for it.

I wasn't being negative and I certainly have no intentions trying to sound 'better' than the people of WhatHifi. I simply point out that there are different views on this, also amongst professionals in the field. Besides if we were all to agree all the time, what is the purpose of a forum?

Remember that FullHD is not relly of any importance at these screen sizes and normal viewing distances.

Cobblers, 32" maybe you're right, but 42"?

Have you tried watching let's say Panasonic 42X10 and 42G10 side by side at normal viewing distance? I will bet you will not be able to distinquish the resolution of the two. But the comparison is a little tricky as the 42G10 overall has a better panel than the 42X10 more capable of showing a corect picture which easily can be mistaken for better resolution.

You need to sit gloser than 1.7 meter from a 42 inch FullHD telly to tell pixels apart, and thereby get the benifit of FullHD. If your eyes haven't been modified from the natural ones of course

It is all about physics: http://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.php?subaction=showfull&id=1229341535

And this is your own research is it? I think you've completely misread that webpage, the 1.7m isn't the furthest distance you should sit from a 42" screen "to get the benifit(sic) of FullHD", it's the CLOSEST! Any closer than that and you will be able to distinguish the individual pixels and that's the LAST thing you want, it's supposed to look like one coherent image, not a collection of individual pixels, otherwise we'd all want to sit with our noses on the screen, so we could see each pixel individually.

All that's saying is that you can sit about half a meter closer to a 1080p 42" screen than you can a 720p one, which could be very useful if you don't have that big a room.

I never claimed this was my research and no, I haven't misread the webpage but probably communicated the message a bit clumsy. You of course don't want to have pixelation, but let's face it, how many people sit closer than 1.7 or even 2.0 meter from a 42 inch telly? At 3.0 meters or more you will not see the difference, but a lot of people do not consider this when buying a TV. There are so many more important things to look for in a good TV than the FullHD.

 

[Anonymous]

What about the Mitsubishi LaserVue TV ?

http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/laser.html
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ok, it is a modified rear projector tv, not easy to hang on the wall..

And very expensive..

 

[ear]

well for plasma hd ready is ok...for lcd...full hd tv's are years away from hd ready only's.

 

[Anonymous]

hopefully , by the panasonic 3d kuro

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[Anonymous]

To answer the question of the one who started this topic; the Pioneer KURO tv's will not be beaten any time soon.
Panasonic will match the quality of the Pioneer KURO tv's, why? because they have bought the technology from Pioneer!

It's a shame Pioneer is leaving tv land, it's stylish, beautiful and delivers great pictures. The prices for Pioneer have been cut in half in the region where i live, so you could snap up a Pioneer for about 1200 pounds. Shame it's still to expensive for me. If i had the budget and the house for it, i would buy it in a heartbeat.

The Pioneer Tv's will be beaten, no doubt. why?, because technology is here 24/7 - 365. In a year or so, OLED will come and change the tv market bigtime. These OLED tv's can produce levels of quality that the Pioneer technology simply can't reach by it's current standards.

Hope this answers your question.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Where do you live? America?

Thanks

 

[Deleted member 2457]

One thing about pioneer pulling out other maufacturer's must be laughing at the thought of increased sales.

 

[The_Lhc]

not really AIUI Pioneer only had about 7% of the tv market, which is why they pulled out in the first place. spread that around the others and you don't get a massive increase for anyone.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

I would not be surprised it pioneer pulled out of the blu ray and amplifier market as well.

That 7% know are going to have a lot more money to spend on other tv's given the price of pioneer plasma's, you can buy 2 big sony tv's with that money.