Why I despise Phil Collins

[daytona600]

1980 Triumphant Limp
Bass – John Giblin
Drums – Phil Collins
Keyboards – Robin Lumley
Written By – Goodsall/Giblin/Lumley/Collins

 

[Al ears]

At least Oasis could play instruments, unlike many new groups of the 80s. It was a decade of discarding proper instruments in favour of a synthesiser- just press and play. Dreadful decade for new music.

Very generalised comment, however correct for some so called groups.
However, lyrics seemed more important than some groups.

 

[Gray]

When the accompanying videos became more important than the music....that's when we were in trouble.

 

[plastic penguin]

1980 Triumphant Limp
Bass – John Giblin
Drums – Phil Collins
Keyboards – Robin Lumley
Written By – Goodsall/Giblin/Lumley/Collins

He was drummer for two tracks out of the seven. The main drummer on all the other tracks was Mike Clark. Someone you omitted from the list.

Spam head left the band in 1976 to concentrate on his Genesis s###e.

 

[DCarmi]

There are plenty of acts I personally don't like and would not give space to in my Spotify playlists let alone in CD or Vinyl storage. I don't feel the need to get vitriolic about them.

 

[Revolutions]

Hopefully this will have calming effect on you, Monsieur Penguin...

 

[Friesiansam]

Why despise Phil Collins, because you don't like his music? Seems very silly to me.

He's no favourite of mine either, only his first solo album is ok(in parts) and, I don't like the way Genesis changed but, I don't despise Collins and, many would disagree and say he was great. I agree with many others that Genesis went on the downslope, after Peter Gabriel left.

BTW, Selling England by the Pound and The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, are among my favourite albums.

 

[Steve983]

My fave Genesis albums are Wind & Wuthering and Trick of The Tail.

 

[Rui]

I want to have my opinion is that when young liked Genesis with Peter Gabriel , after i heard trick of the tail which was sounding like Genesis ,

than some songs here and there from Genesis and was paying more attention for the solo career of peter gabriel which as great albums ,

only the first didn´t caught my attention but when plays live was released i like the version of sallsbury hill(if i wrotte it right).

I´m not sure, but Genesis went down and down to the point of being unheardable but they sold and i respect others tastes but in my opinion any Phil collins album is really bad,

the drums on "in the air tonight "aren´t that dificult to play but it is a slow song and it bursts out with that drums sound ,only i didn´t liked it or after trick of the tail maybe i liked one or two songs for album ,this making an effort as i used to really like Genesis, as Peter gabriel not all songs from his solo albuns are great,

but i have to refer the album that as the single "games without frontiers"is good and not only.

Phil collins i also made an effort to listen to it but nothing catch my attention and i remenber thinking if "world of confusion " was recorded with a totally diferent sound would be a nice single,

as in house by the sea i for some reason liked the song but when after many years without hearing it i put to play a borrowed cd and they changed one of the things i liked in that song which as the keyboard sound played like it was fashion in those days but hearing the cd they destroyd the song, so i do not feel collins

 

[Rui]

That's not true about producers sounding samey. Look at the different groups Steve Lilleywhite has produced: Big Country, U2, The Pogues, The Rolling Stones.... you can't say they all sound the same, can you?

Elvis Costello produced Squeeze 'East side Story'. None of those tracks sound like Costello. Then he went onto co-produce Maccas album, 'Flowers In the Dirt'....

And so the list goes on...

that is a valid point as i don´t agree that good producers sound always the same, those are bad producers

 

[Rui]

If you dislike him that much, I’d recommend not listening to his music.

that´s exactelly what i did

 

[Rui]

At least Oasis could play instruments, unlike many new groups of the 80s. It was a decade of discarding proper instruments in favour of a synthesiser- just press and play. Dreadful decade for new music.

well i think that the 80´s was the best decade in music as there was some mainstream bands with horrible sound but also some really good albums and was a decade where alternative labels,

real ones released a lot of music well played and with great sound, i could be here writting a list of bands that made it great in the 80´s but on tv channels we don´t see those bands, only the S:::T it was heard by teenagers,

as many bands that started in more alternative labels ,some made it great and there were a lot, but really lot´s of new bands with some early influences but i have many of my favorite albums released in the 80´s and a lot,

i could writte here a big list but what about:
U2 ,
Talking Heads,
REM,
Sisters of Mercy,
Mission(at start)being the band that played the first Sisters of Mercy album,
Pixies,
Cocteau twins,
B-52´s,
The Cult,
Gene Loves Jezebel,
Bolshoy,
The Sound,
jesus & the Mary Chain,
Siouxie & the Banshes,
the Cure,
The The,
The Smiths,
The Church,
Fields of Nephilin,
Bauhaus,
Love & Rockets,
M.A.R.R.S. ,
Pop Will Eat It Self,
Stone Roses,
Ride,
House of Love,
Happy Modays,
Flowered Up,

and many many more, and some of this bands started in the 70´s but their best Albums were released in the 80´s with great production and not all abums from this band were perfect,

but some really are, like the bands of 4AD compilation, This Mortal Coil that first released a E.P. with Song to a Siren from Tim Buckley, the vocals are from cocteau Twins vocalist Elisabeth Fraser, isn´t good?

 

[Rui]

Why despise Phil Collins, because you don't like his music? Seems very silly to me.

He's no favourite of mine either, only his first solo album is ok(in parts) and, I don't like the way Genesis changed but, I don't despise Collins and, many would disagree and say he was great. I agree with many others that Genesis went on the downslope, after Peter Gabriel left.

BTW, Selling England by the Pound and The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, are among my favourite albums.

i think it´s more why he destroyd a wide world known band that could had a future and had it but only not to a standart level we were used to, i remenber looking at Duke cover ,the original one as a girlfriend of mine had it , that´s another point a album i heard not in my home but at least i was inetersted in the cover and cds i´ve bought more than 30 years ago i never looked to it´s inlay pappers, so covers were really a let down, a destroyd form of art, and i agree with the coment above in terms of musical taste

 

[DCarmi]

i think it´s more why he destroyd a wide world known band that could had a future

Really! Genesis were not successful after Peter Gabriel? They were a collaborative band and whilst Collins may have had much influence, the others could have done what Hackett did and walk.

I'd bet that not many of the Gabriel led Genesis albums make it into the top 10 best selling Genesis albums. Maybe Selling England by the Pound but its sales figures would be tiny in comparison to We Can't Dance. So "destroyed a world known band" is hardly appropriate.

By 1980 Prog Rock was not particularly cool and you can excuse a band of moving more mainstream as they get older. I mean, "give the punters what they want", after all.

For reference my favourite Genesis albums in order are:

• Selling England by the Pound
• Foxtrot
• Lamb Lies Down in Broadway
• Trick of the Tail
• Wind and Wuthering
• Duke

I also own 1 (or possibly 2) Collins albums. I can't remember whether I or the Missus bought No Jacket Required.

 

[Rui]

Really! Genesis were not successful after Peter Gabriel? They were a collaborative band and whilst Collins may have had much influence, the others could have done what Hackett did and walk.

I'd bet that not many of the Gabriel led Genesis albums make it into the top 10 best selling Genesis albums. Maybe Selling England by the Pound but its sales figures would be tiny in comparison to We Can't Dance. So "destroyed a world known band" is hardly appropriate.

By 1980 Prog Rock was not particularly cool and you can excuse a band of moving more mainstream as they get older. I mean, "give the punters what they want", after all.

For reference my favourite Genesis albums in order are:

• Selling England by the Pound
• Foxtrot
• Lamb Lies Down in Broadway
• Trick of the Tail
• Wind and Wuthering
• Duke

I also own 1 (or possibly 2) Collins albums. I can't remember whether I or the Missus bought No Jacket Required.

i never said that you may read again what i wrotte so ,you can reply with any meaning , and you also like "Duke" as i refer to it,

not only the cover but one song at least i have the feeling of hearing it a lot and you don´t like the art work in the Duke?

As all the albums you refer are good albums,

as in today´s albums i buy the record or cd depending on the price and it might have two or three songs i really like but others aren´t inetresting not even played well ,

only to fill the album as it seems to me ,

in the 70´s the albums that were good one used to listen to them all and not only once but from time to time i would play it and liked the songs in general.

I even remenber only hearing albums released in the 70´s in the 80´s and listen to them with pleasure.

I might be wrong but it seems a lot of albums came out great in the 70´s and one couldn´t heard them all but later one would play them and hear it like if it was new,

as some 80´s albums even from good artists the production sound seems really bad, or i might refer epic records ,releasing Lp´s with excessive high´s .
Yesterday i even remenber one song that i used to hear in party´s in friends houses , i´m refering to "against all odds"from Phil Collins.

Some people refer to some songs that they liked but hidden it from others , the so called "Guylty pleasures" ,if i like a song from an artists i don´t hide that i liked it, i can give a example ,

when "welcome to the pleasure doom"was released by Frankie goes to hollywood ,i never had problems in saying that after noticing well the lyrics on "power of love" i even refer the song as having some ,so to speak , originality,

as it felt good to listen to it and in a movie there was a scene very well done with the band singing the song" Relax" that was a hit(i got sick of hearing it so many times)and has i have friends who had all top 10 lp´s i used to listen to them all, but i wasn´t interested in the music as there is more than music in a party

has i wouldn´t ask to chage the music because it wasn´t my taste, well maybe when they put the record "make it big" from Wham that i would ask being polite if there wasn´t other music we could hear,

all of this to say that i heard all Phil collins albums, just don´t remenber the songs as none was my taste.

I can give another example when in a Oscar night i was at some friend´s house , i remenber seeing that the movie "Arthur" had won a oscar or maybe more,

Christopher Cross sung while playing on piano, the sountrack of that movie , one song only, it was Arthur´s theme(the best that you can do) as i just googled it,

maybe something happened that made feel that the song was nice as i normally would never hear it , it´s life ,sometimes the less expected is what one likes, but i would never called it a guilty pleasure

 

[Rui]

Really! Genesis were not successful after Peter Gabriel? They were a collaborative band and whilst Collins may have had much influence, the others could have done what Hackett did and walk.

I'd bet that not many of the Gabriel led Genesis albums make it into the top 10 best selling Genesis albums. Maybe Selling England by the Pound but its sales figures would be tiny in comparison to We Can't Dance. So "destroyed a world known band" is hardly appropriate.

By 1980 Prog Rock was not particularly cool and you can excuse a band of moving more mainstream as they get older. I mean, "give the punters what they want", after all.

For reference my favourite Genesis albums in order are:

• Selling England by the Pound
• Foxtrot
• Lamb Lies Down in Broadway
• Trick of the Tail
• Wind and Wuthering
• Duke

I also own 1 (or possibly 2) Collins albums. I can't remember whether I or the Missus bought No Jacket Required.

sorry but i forget to refer that the album you refer "we can´t dance"is not even a aceptable record ,

i don´t know but it might had sold as you refer to it being better than "selling England by the pound" that is one of their best albums,

so if it sold is better , what about those bands that never make it to top ten but after 20 years or more of existance they release albums and are sold all over the world,

also concerts that i know of ,when a tour is made it´s always sold out anywhere in Europe and the U.S.of A.

well not like Taylor Swift or Justin Beeber or Beever not sure and correct me if i´m wrong, but i think they aren´t the best and about sales are they selling anything this days,

well taylor swif now looks better but it´s only a phisical apreciation, as her songs never even sounded a litle catchy ,so to speak,

remenber a band of the 80´s called Bros. i think they sold a lot of singles or even albums, but what have they released in the last , maybe 35 years or around it, albums?

that still fill stadiums when they released a new album if they are still in existance or gone for a while, like Samantha Fox, by mistake i saw once one concert of her and she looked really good but does she have new albums now?
I used to hear a lot of radio when younger, and remenbered some 80´s big hit´s but are nowhere to be seen today,

so i guess sales doesn´t relate with quality of the music or Rush wouldn´t had last so many years,

what i found funny is that i bought a box of cds with Rush albums after the 80´s, some even more recent by a reduced price when hearing it,

i was kind of amazed how those albums i never heard of , were so well played ,not bad music.

I think that i remenber the last album i had was the one with "Tom Sawer", and the previous ones, bought them later in mid 80´s for a reduced price

 

[plastic penguin]

well i think that the 80´s was the best decade in music as there was some mainstream bands with horrible sound but also some really good albums and was a decade where alternative labels,

real ones released a lot of music well played and with great sound, i could be here writting a list of bands that made it great in the 80´s but on tv channels we don´t see those bands, only the S:::T it was heard by teenagers,

as many bands that started in more alternative labels ,some made it great and there were a lot, but really lot´s of new bands with some early influences but i have many of my favorite albums released in the 80´s and a lot,

i could writte here a big list but what about:
U2 ,
Talking Heads,
REM,
Sisters of Mercy,
Mission(at start)being the band that played the first Sisters of Mercy album,
Pixies,
Cocteau twins,
B-52´s,
The Cult,
Gene Loves Jezebel,
Bolshoy,
The Sound,
jesus & the Mary Chain,
Siouxie & the Banshes,
the Cure,
The The,
The Smiths,
The Church,
Fields of Nephilin,
Bauhaus,
Love & Rockets,
M.A.R.R.S. ,
Pop Will Eat It Self,
Stone Roses,
Ride,
House of Love,
Happy Modays,
Flowered Up,

and many many more, and some of this bands started in the 70´s but their best Albums were released in the 80´s with great production and not all abums from this band were perfect,

but some really are, like the bands of 4AD compilation, This Mortal Coil that first released a E.P. with Song to a Siren from Tim Buckley, the vocals are from cocteau Twins vocalist Elisabeth Fraser, isn´t good?

The only groups in the 80s I like are the ones who had hits in the 1970s: Talking Heads, Souxie and the Banchees, Elvis Costello, Squeeze, Madness, The Jam, David Bowie.... I could go on....

Big Country were very good 80s group, great live band. I've seen them 3 times.

Lenny Kravitz, Tracy Chapman, Roachford, Junior, early U2, Run DMC, Nirvana....

Most of the rest heads for the skip. Sorry, it was a horrible decade for new music.

 

[plastic penguin]

Having heard the B52s on the car radio this evening, I'd forgotten how bad they are. They lack any musical creativity, it's a drab, boring piece of something resembling music.

This lot, Genesis and Fleetwood Mac are all drab nonsense.

I love my music to be raw, natural and fun. All the things the above rubbish isn't.

 

[plastic penguin]

Hopefully this will have calming effect on you, Monsieur Penguin...

No. That'll give me nightmares.

 

[plastic penguin]

No. That'll give me nightmares.

Collinsitis. Very painful without cotton wool in the ears. 🙂