Why does my CD player sound better than my streamer

[Vladimir]

When there is ANY form of damage to the original digital signal, it results in pops, click, dropouts or in case of jitter just very very faint noise shhhhhhhh in the background. It doesn't change stereo, imaging, violin tuning or anything music related.

There is no chance the two transports 'sound' different in musical terms.

 

[Thompsonuxb]

Lol.... Give it time, one day you'll go to read your books and get that familiar message.

File corrupted.

Ok.... Pity you didn't choke.....

Each time you add to your hard drive it reformats itself and the data stored. It basically reorganises itself to be has efficient as it can.

Any out of place data, surplus to requirements or left over during the reorg gets discarded this data by the way is your music.

It is Incey wincey bits we are talking about and can go unnoticed but one day you'll put the original CD on and it'll sound better.

The data on the CD is fixed. it'll never be reformatted, squished to fit on your hard drive or be subject to other issues found with ref to data storage.......

Now like I said before I have nothing in way of evidence to prove this - it's how these devices/computers work.

It's a bit like the billions of pounds floating around in cyber space made up of tiny fractions of a penny...... Lol..... Sorry for laughing but , just watch superman3.

The music gets lost.

So how come the books I've written on my PC haven't lost any letters? How come the text of my first book is exactly the same as it was when I wrote it on a PC 25 years ago?

You have no idea how data storage works.

 

[Thompsonuxb]

Stop.....

Like I've said I have no proof to back this up. So I'm just telling you.

Make of it what you will.

How many of you have lost 'files' or suddenly cannot access files.

Defragmenting, Nortel etc....If your data is 100% secure how can they be corrupted with jitter, pops, clicks out of nowhere?

You'll never have these problems with a well kept CD - fixed data.

No reformatting with checksums and the like.

You buy a PC, laptop or any other device that stores data what's the life span?

A couple years?

Its even recommended not to fill your hard drives beyond a certain point

Seriously, you guys think cables are a rip off.

Selling a box with memory stick in it for 100's of pounds...prrrft!

 

[Vladimir]

That's why I asked him where he is located. If English isn't native to him, he has a disadvantage at explaining his argument well.

 

[steve_1979]

Thompson. I advise that you look up the words 'checksum' and 'hard drive format'. Take your time, read about them carefully and try to understand what these terms actually mean.

No offence is ment by this as it's intended in the friendliest possible way. But at the moment your massively incorrect comments are making you look like a fool. Unless of course you're just trolling stupid comments to get a rise out out us in which case continue as you are.

 

[adamrobertshaw]

When the 30th Anniversary system was released, it was the Stream X Anniversary that was noted as having the most significant improvement over the standard models. The Signature version has been upgraded to get close to that spec.

When you first pick up a Stream X or X2, it's like holding a box filled only with a single circuit board.

But when you feel the weight of a Signature model you get an immediate comfort feeling that you've invested in a decent bit of kit. It weighs more than your X Power, and the causes of the extra weight are clearly providing far better SQ.

Straight out of the box it sounds fantastic. I hope you can get an audition.

 

[Thompsonuxb]

Ok......

Let it marinate, it'll come clear.

Or you could actually correct me if you can and explain to those who you think I'm misleading how I'm misleading them.

Doubt you will though - maybe the term 'juggling the data to fit' would have been better.

Lol...... A light hearted response and I get a fool calling me a fool.

You guys, I swear.

Thompson. I advise that you look up the words 'checksum' and 'hard drive format'. Take your time, read about them carefully and try to understand what these terms actually mean.

No offence is ment by this as it's intended in the friendliest possible way.  But at the moment your massively incorrect comments are making you look like a fool. Unless of course you're just trolling stupid comments to get a rise out out us in which case continue as you are.

 

[Vladimir]

I know the cable weekend has made everyone all passionate and excited, but if we could refrain from labels such as fool, dumb, idiot etc. or threats of hitting someone with beef, it would be appreciated.

Just a suggestion.

 

[Thompsonuxb]

Er....no.

The disadvantage is yours for not understanding Vlad or the ability to think about what'd been said.

I mean, tell me what are you struggling to understand - specify.

But considering I do not 'troll' it sometimes surprises me how much to heart people take my comments.

That's why I asked him where he is located. If English isn't native to him, he has a disadvantage at explaining his argument well.

 

[Thompsonuxb]

To be honest I have no interest in streamers att.....

Wonder how the tracks from stored 29yrs ago will sound today compared with the CD/vinyl versions.

When the 30th Anniversary system was released, it was the Stream X Anniversary that was noted as having the most significant improvement over the standard models. The Signature version has been upgraded to get close to that spec.

When you first pick up a Stream X or X2, it's like holding a box filled only with a single circuit board.

But when you feel the weight of a Signature model you get an immediate comfort feeling that you've invested in a decent bit of kit. It weighs more than your X Power, and the causes of the extra weight are clearly providing far better SQ.

Straight out of the box it sounds fantastic. I hope you can get an audition.

 

 

[Thompsonuxb]

Lol....

What??. ...now I'm sat here in my internet kung fu suit you say this......prrrrft!

I know the cable weekend has made everyone all passionate and excited, but if we could refrain from labels such as fool, dumb, idiot etc. or threats of hitting someone with beef, it would be appreciated.

Just a suggestion.

 

[Thompsonuxb]

Just want to say I'm not dissing streamers or suggest they are sub par or anything like that....ok.

 

[The_Lhc]

Ok.... Pity you didn't choke.....

Really? Interesting...

By the way, CDs rot after a certain length of time, well known phenomena.

 

[MeanandGreen]

Ok.... Pity you didn't choke.....

Really? Interesting...

By the way, CDs rot after a certain length of time, well known phenomena.

I beleive this is far more likely with CD-R than pressed CDs.

I certainly know that I've had a few CD-R discs fail after just a few years, but never an original CD.

 

[daveh75]

But considering I do not 'troll' it sometimes surprises me how much to heart people take my comments

Then you're the worst kind of troll!

One that doesn't think he is, or doesn't know he's doing it...

Oh, and learn to quote properly!!!

 

[Thompsonuxb]

Lol.... And vinyl warps and collects dust in the groves.

:-D

Ok.... Pity you didn't choke.....

Really? Interesting...

By the way, CDs rot after a certain length of time, well known phenomena.

 

[Thompsonuxb]

Excuse me?

Have we met?

?

But considering I do not 'troll' it sometimes surprises me how much to heart people take my comments

Then you're the worst kind of troll!

One that doesn't think he is, or doesn't know he's doing it...

Oh, and learn to quote properly!!!

 

[Vladimir]

They are at the stage of violently oposing your truth Thompson. Be brave.

 

[SteveR750]

Thomson, I'd recommend you read through these pages:

http://www.thewelltemperedcomputer.com/KB/BitPerfectJitter.htm

It will explain the concepts of digital data and transmission. you'll understand why a CDP with a buffer measuring milliseconds is never going to be bit perfect, whereas it's perfectly feasible from a fixed memory source, as you'd find in a PC or a streamer. The quality of the drive used to rip the files is also completely unimportant providing the checksum # gives the right result.

 

[SteveR750]

Ok.... Pity you didn't choke.....

That's a bit out of order on a web forum! Maybe OK as grinning banter in the pub with your mates perhaps....

 

[Thompsonuxb]

Honestly it was not said in malice....

Look

Hey The_Lhc I'm sorry.

I don't want you to choke. ......ever!

I was smiling when I typed it.

Ok.... Pity you didn't choke.....

?

That's a bit out of order on a web forum! Maybe OK as grinning banter in the pub with your mates perhaps....

 

[Thompsonuxb]

Ok.....

I'll comment on it in a minute.

Thomson, I'd recommend you read through these pages:

http://www.thewelltemperedcomputer.com/KB/BitPerfectJitter.htm

It will explain the concepts of digital data and transmission. you'll understand why a CDP with a buffer measuring milliseconds is never going to be bit perfect, whereas it's perfectly feasible from a fixed memory source, as you'd find in a PC or a streamer. The quality of the drive used to rip the files is also completely unimportant providing the checksum # gives the right result.

 

[tonky]

Thanks stever750 for the link. I was sold on an all in one streamer system. I found the streamer sound to be excellent (from my laptop hard drive)- reading from usb inputted seperate external hard drive equally so. CD was very good. High res files off a NAS were easily discernible to my ears compared to normal res cd/streamed files.

This article helps me understand the reasons why - cheers.

tonky

 

[Thompsonuxb]

Not related. I'm not talking about the reading or transfer being the reason to any degradation in sound but the actual data being read.

You know when you turn on your device and it formats itself sorts it's files out before you play anything or you add new data, is the area I'm talking about.

Ok.....

I'll comment on it in a minute.

Thomson, I'd recommend you read through these pages:

http://www.thewelltemperedcomputer.com/KB/BitPerfectJitter.htm

It will explain the concepts of digital data and transmission. you'll understand why a CDP with a buffer measuring milliseconds is never going to be bit perfect, whereas it's perfectly feasible from a fixed memory source, as you'd find in a PC or a streamer. The quality of the drive used to rip the files is also completely unimportant providing the checksum # gives the right result.

 

[SteveR750]

I still don't follow you. The checksum of my flac files does not change when I power the laptop down and back up. I'm pretty confident neither does it change them if it decides to relocate them if defragging etc. If it did, windows would crash all over the place..oh wait...

Serioulsy though there is a bit about explaining the difference between data transmission and data movement as in copying files. They are not the same thing.