im aftersuome speakers for my arcam cd73 and a70. im currently using mordaunt short ms906 floorstanders. i have £600 to play with and dont mind trying standmounters as long as there quite bassy. as my ms8906 arent punchy enough for m,y liking. i was considering some 2nd hand monitor rx6,s or new mission mx5. any help is much appreciated.
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how about tannot revolution dct6 signature? as can be bought cheap now. is my arcam setup what people call bright as whf review says avoid partnering with bright electronics?
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dsco01 said:
What country are you from? Where on earth did you hear Arcam is bright?
Monitor Audio RX6 will fit the bill nicely. Failing that, if you're willing to go s/hand PMC GB1is are a great option.
bassically i didnt understand what bright meant lol. it say on review for tannoys dont partner with bright e;lectronics so i thought id ask if they were classed as bright. are these tannoys any good.
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The A70 isn't bright but you do need to be careful what you partner it with to avoid it sounding a bit dull. I'd be looking at Focal 706v, Monitor Audio BX5, or (if you can afford to put the boat out) a pair of PMC DB1i (possibly 2nd hand or ex demo?). The other speakers you should audition are the KEF Q100 and Q300 which work very well with Arcam and produce plenty of bass. Also worth looking at the Dali Zensor 5 floorstanders. I'd steer clear of B&Ws - I've found entry level Arcam amps don't have the guts to do them justice.
If you are looking for real punch you might want to consider changing both the CD player and the amp. I used to have a CD73 and loved it but it lends a slightly warm sound that is not what i would call punchy. The amp is quite soft sounding and lacks drive and punch imo. If you want to stick with that pairing you should maybe look at easy to drive speakers that pack a punch. I agree that Mon audio BX5's could be worth considering.
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The OP wants to change his/her speakers, for which he/she has a £600 budget - and your solution is a change of CDP and amp?? Very helpful. :doh:
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I used to have an A70 and CD73.IME, Monitor Audios (MAs) can sound very unbalanced - ie the top-end is very bright and metalic - unless they've been well and truly run-in, which is very unlikely when sampling most dealers' demo kit. Is it possible to try a friend's run-in MAs?IMHO, the 70 and 73 sounded particulalrly lovely with B&W's 684. OK, so the 684 is £99 over your budget but you might find an ex-demo pair or if you wave a wad of cash under a dealers nose you might get a useful discount, or hunt around for a 2nd-hand bargain on the hi-fi forum named after a Native American's tradional dwelling.And FWIW, IME it's worth bi-wiring the A70 in a 4-out/4-in format (ie use all of the 70's speaker outputs and select A and B), which added much separation and detail
I used to have an A70 and CD73.
IME, Monitor Audios (MAs) + an A70/CD73 can sound very unbalanced - ie the top-end is very bright and metalic - unless the MAs have been well and truly run-in, which is very unlikely when sampling most dealers' demo kit. Is it possible to try a friend's run-in MAs?
IMHO, the 70 and 73 sounded particulalrly lovely with B&W's 684. OK, so the 684 is £99 over budget but you might find an ex-demo pair or if you wave a wad of cash under a dealer's nose you might get a useful discount, or hunt around for a 2nd-hand bargain on the hi-fi forum named after a Native American's tradional dwelling.
And FWIW, IME it's worth bi-wiring the A70 in a 4-out/4-in format (ie use all of the 70's speaker outputs and select A and B), which added much separation and detail.
I used to have an A70 and CD73.
IME, Monitor Audios (MAs) + an A70/CD73 can sound very unbalanced - ie the top-end is very bright and metalic - unless the MAs have been well and truly run-in, which is very unlikely when sampling most dealers' demo kit. Is it possible to try a friend's run-in MAs?
IMHO, the 70 and 73 sounded particulalrly lovely with B&W's 684. OK, so the 684 is £99 over budget but you might find an ex-demo pair or if you wave a wad of cash under a dealer's nose you might get a useful discount, or hunt around for a 2nd-hand bargain on the hi-fi forum named after a Native American's tradional dwelling.
And FWIW, IME it's worth bi-wiring the A70 in a 4-out/4-in format (ie use all of the 70's speaker outputs and select A and B), which added much separation and detail.
hi im currently using all speaker terminalsl.; and im bidding on a p80 power amp at min. what are mission mx5s like? i keep looking at the tannoy revolution 6t signatures for 750. if i wait another month i could get these.? thanks
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6th.replicant said:
Fairly surprised, 6th, you haven't recommended Totem Arro? recently seen a pair go for around £400-£500 on ebay.
Not heard it with an all Arcam system, certainly impressive with Leema/Arcam.
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plastic penguin said:
Haven't heard the Arro with an Arcam setup and reluctant to recommend because wise folks reckon each Totem has its own quality; IOTW, there's no such thing as a Totem 'house sound'. (Obviously quite partial to my Arcam/Totem combo - and the Beaks
- although I am getting ticked off by modern recordings' ever-increasing amounts of low-end bass...)But you're correct, PP, in principle the OP wouldn't be wasting their time with an Arro demo
6th.replicant said:
Can you actually read and understand English? If you can then you would have read and understood that i said it might be something he would want to CONSIDER as both the CD73 and the A70 lack punch and drive. However ,should he not want to do that then I offered a speaker suggestion. The poster's problem is ,imo as a former arcam equipment and CD73 user, unlikely to be solved fully just by speaker changing. I think he deserved to have that pointed out.However, thank you so much for complaining on his behalf.
Oh, and i agree that MA speakers can be a bit tinkly up top but the bronze range is quite restrained by Mon audios old standards and coupled with silver free cable could work well with arcam. I had a set of MA on my arcam set up and with correctly chosen cables they souned good.
im lookin at a set of b and w 684s as well as found these 2nd hand for £579? any good for arcam kit? or the mission mx5 as they have 3 drivers so probably quite bassy? thanks
The B&W 684's are good speakers but they need a good amp behind them to get the best out of them
Unfortunately the Arcam A70 isnt a good enough amp IMO to do this but it'll still drive the speakers ok
IMO the likes of the Monitor Audio BX5's 2nd hand RS5's, Acoustic Energy AE Neo 3's and possibly the QUAD 21L2's would be a better fit
For me the A70 was an ok amp; a good overall soundstage but it lacks that overall oomph to drive good floorstanders; I found it to be fairly light on bass at times and it had a muddled soundstage when pushed too hard...
Have you thought about good standmounts on decent stands (i.e. B&W 685's, Monitor Audio RX1's or RX2's etc...) on the likes of Partington Super Dreadnoughts or Atacama HMS1's
The A70 will be better at managing these than the likes of the B&W 684's BUT it'd also control the likes of the M/A BX5's and AE Neo 3's just as well IMO
Unfortunately the Arcam A70 isnt a good enough amp IMO to do this but it'll still drive the speakers ok
IMO the likes of the Monitor Audio BX5's 2nd hand RS5's, Acoustic Energy AE Neo 3's and possibly the QUAD 21L2's would be a better fit
For me the A70 was an ok amp; a good overall soundstage but it lacks that overall oomph to drive good floorstanders; I found it to be fairly light on bass at times and it had a muddled soundstage when pushed too hard...
Have you thought about good standmounts on decent stands (i.e. B&W 685's, Monitor Audio RX1's or RX2's etc...) on the likes of Partington Super Dreadnoughts or Atacama HMS1's
The A70 will be better at managing these than the likes of the B&W 684's BUT it'd also control the likes of the M/A BX5's and AE Neo 3's just as well IMO
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Hi-fi lover has a point about the A70 not "good enough" to drive 684s, but if you play music at low to medium levels they should be fine.
Having had Arcam amps for nearly 15 years I know they prefer a speaker that's easy to drive: Any speaker that's 6-8 ohms and 87dbs upwards. Think, also, it'll be wise to avoid Dynaudio, Spendor, ATC, EB Acoustics, B&W... if you like to hear it loud.
Having had Arcam amps for nearly 15 years I know they prefer a speaker that's easy to drive: Any speaker that's 6-8 ohms and 87dbs upwards. Think, also, it'll be wise to avoid Dynaudio, Spendor, ATC, EB Acoustics, B&W... if you like to hear it loud.
I forgot to mention that the older range of B&W speakers would be an easier match
The likes of the B&W 6002 S2's and S3's for standmounts would work well as would the B&W 603 S2's and S3's as well as the 602.5's...
That's if youre open to 2nd hand speakers obviously...
The likes of the B&W 6002 S2's and S3's for standmounts would work well as would the B&W 603 S2's and S3's as well as the 602.5's...
That's if youre open to 2nd hand speakers obviously...
would i be better keeping my speakers and changing my amp then? ive got £600 so what should i do?. how about adding a power amp. or do i just get a better integrated amp.
If you're happy doing that then I'd sell the Arcam A70 and your speakers and go for the likes of an Arcam Alpha 9 or 10 or a NAD C352 (PD version) or a C355BEE integrated - all 2nd hand and then maybe look at some of the above mentioned speakers (Monitor Audio RS6's, B&W 603 S3's, Acoustic Energy Neo 3's etc...)
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If you are up for changing the amp I would. The A70 is one of the weakest entry level amps Arcam have made. It's not as good as the previous A65+ or the more recent A18, although both of those also suffer when driving less easy speakers. I've owned all three. I got a bit bored of the A65+ (though it is a good amp), found the A70 insipid and weedy, and gave up on trying to find suitable speakers that the A18 could drive easily enough.
Given you like good bass I think hifilover's NAD suggestion is excellent, and I'd also second his Alpha 9/10 recommendations. IMO the DiVA range amps were never as good as the better Alphas.
Given you like good bass I think hifilover's NAD suggestion is excellent, and I'd also second his Alpha 9/10 recommendations. IMO the DiVA range amps were never as good as the better Alphas.
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Must say I was deeply disappointed when I heard the A70. Not overly sure whether it was a genuinely 'naff' effort or overestimated the reviews. Nevertheless, having owned A65+ it would outperform the A70, albeit not enough for a serious change.
If you're looking at changing the amp Creek Evo 2 is a vast improvement on the A70, likewise, Leema Pulse. The Pulse is one helleva upgrade from the puny A70.
If you're looking at changing the amp Creek Evo 2 is a vast improvement on the A70, likewise, Leema Pulse. The Pulse is one helleva upgrade from the puny A70.
how about a roksan kandy k2. if i save i could get one but would have to keep my speakers ands cd player. or ive seen an arcam a85p85 combo for 630?
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