When should actives be recommended?

[Alec]

Perhaps you could give some references to this behaviour you claim to have seen?

Given that those threads were in the days of the old style moderation, and resulted in bannings, thread locking and deletion, and poor search function on here that isn't likely to be that easy.

And why drag it up again, there's already enough animosity from both sides...

Aye. Or "you sort of had to be there".

 

[altruistic.lemon]

Actually, I didn't drag it up, if you read the other posts, it was your mate relocated.

 

[Native_bon]

I'd love to hear more actives, plus stuff like magnepans and Martin Logan, but I'd only be wasting the dealers time.

Good to see you have an open mind!

Its a well known fact the mind finds it difficult to move from tradition or a certain way of doing things.. If people are coming on here time & time again saying they are satified with the AVI speakers why is that a problem..?

There must be something good about the speakers then.. No matter how much you say , the s/q & satistifaction speaks for its self.

If you dnt like them thats find too. It only becomes a problem when you think you have the right to tell others not to like the AVI active speakers.

 

[relocated]

No offence taken. I have no wounds from the early AVI wars. I just remember those threads.

I 100% agree that some persons really need to just move on, but I suspect that they really still don't trust anyone claiming to be an AVI fan.

The aim of my post was merely to provide context to a lot of what has happened.

I don't support bashing AVI fans, just as I don't support many of the comments still made on AVI forums about non-avi fans.

The final problem for AVI proponents is simply that if you frequently recommend only one brand, people are generally going to find it annoying.

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Ajani,

I appreciate all of your posts, particularly on this thread. I am pleased that I haven't caused any offence, I didn't expect to given your considered approach to things.

About some of the things said on AVI about things we see on here. Firstly most of us are AVI owners, though any thoughtful and sensible people are always warmly welcomed, and a lot of what you see is tongue in cheek and only midly rebuking in the scale of what normally appears here. In fact Ashley doesn't like arguments appearing there that originated on here. You will get some points put bluntly but only about things that are statements against scientific facts or theories that have never been successfully argued against. If I were on the other side of the fence, I would rather be called a 'Fooster' than a 'scientifially ignorant bag of wind', but hey that's just me.

The thing about recommending only one brand is that for many of us we currently only own one brand beyond the source. We no longer have the worry and expense of trying to match our pre-amp with the right power=amp with the right speaker cable to go into the speaker. Neither do we have to match any interconnects or search for just the right support or mains cable. Music is king and the enjoyment of it is our joy and we get lots of joy.

Come on in, join up. Without the worry of the above detailed consternations we have time to chat about photography, space, share photos and on and on. Hell we even let people talk about sheds, 1951 Bentleys and old Lenco turntables. I'm sure you will be made welcome, you are more than sensible enough.

It has been a most pleasurable afternoon having a considered and polite conversation with you, Ajani. I trust that it won't be the last.

Kind regards,

Relocated.

 

[CnoEvil]

If I were on the other side of the fence, I would rather be called a 'Fooster' than a 'scientifially ignorant bag of wind', but hey that's just me.

Speaking as a "scientifically ignorant bag of wind", I feel blessed that I'm referred to as a "Fooster" instead!

 

[altruistic.lemon]

Good spamming, though, you have to admit. Seems convincing when you read it first time, then you realise it's b*llocks. Bottom line: why don't other speaker manufacturers resort to the same tactics to push their products?

 

[Frank Harvey]

Bottom line: why don't other speaker manufacturers resort to the same tactics to push their products?

Because they're successful? (In a large scale sort of way)

 

[Bialykot]

"But back to the main question:

When should active speakers be recommended?"

I tend to recommend active speakers when someone:

a) wants to declutter their room

b) have a more accurate insight into their music - £ for £ - (assuming the speakers are well designed)

c) is fed up with upgrading separates all the time

I steer people away from actives who:

d) like constantly upgrading hi-fi and tweaking their systems - it's in their blood and difficult to change

e) are fussy about the looks of their speakers / hifi (many actives are not the nicest looking for use outside a studio, although one or two on the market are fine).

 

[DocG]

I followed this thread up to post 150 (how zealous is that!), but now I find myself 80 posts behind... Not zealous enough to catch up, I'm afraid. Could someone give a reader's digest of these 80 (or of the whole thread, for that matter)? Cheers! :type:

 

[John Duncan]

Could someone give a reader's digest of these 80 (or of the whole thread, for that matter)? Cheers!

Sure.

 

[the record spot]

Bialykot: Have to disagree with your assessment in your b) regarding a more accurate assessment of the music. If you mean detailed, then there are plenty of detailed speakers out there that will give you that degree of focus. I've heard plenty of actives, I've heard plenty of passives, and my view remains that while a technically neater solution is in the active domain, the listening bears out that both variants will readily give up a good insight to the music.

Of course, much depends on the terms of reference here, so some leeway for that.

 

[fr0g]

Could someone give a reader's digest of these 80 (or of the whole thread, for that matter)? Cheers!

Sure.

John, to me that says "tasty", "fresh", "healthy".

Is that what you meant?

 

[steve_1979]

Could someone give a reader's digest of these 80 (or of the whole thread, for that matter)?

 

[the record spot]

Not, surely, as in: "you say...."?

 

[John Duncan]

Could someone give a reader's digest of these 80 (or of the whole thread, for that matter)? Cheers!

Sure.

John, to me that says "tasty", "fresh", "healthy".

Is that what you meant?

No, fr0g old chum, it is not.

Let me give you a clue: the one on the left is pronunced "to-MAH-to".

 

[John Duncan]

Could someone give a reader's digest of these 80 (or of the whole thread, for that matter)?

Is that a croque?

 

[steve_1979]

Could someone give a reader's digest of these 80 (or of the whole thread, for that matter)?

Is that a croque?

It's a load of waffle.

 

[John Duncan]

Not, surely, as in: "you say...."?

I say that's a croque, yes.

 

[John Duncan]

Could someone give a reader's digest of these 80 (or of the whole thread, for that matter)?

Is that a croque?

It's a load of waffle.

No!

 

[fr0g]

Could someone give a reader's digest of these 80 (or of the whole thread, for that matter)? Cheers!

Sure.

John, to me that says "tasty", "fresh", "healthy".

Is that what you meant?

No, fr0g old chum, it is not.

Let me give you a clue: the one on the left is pronunced "to-MAH-to".

Ah. I get it.

So the wonky, slightly smaller and less appetising one on the left is the one that requires an amp and speaker wires, whilst the upright, larger and healthier looking one is the one with an active crossover and inbuilt amps.

Or did I misunderstand again?

 

[the record spot]

Yes. The one on the right is too full of itself. Just like...

 

[Alec]

Just like...

...as if...

 

[John Duncan]

Could someone give a reader's digest of these 80 (or of the whole thread, for that matter)? Cheers!

Sure.

John, to me that says "tasty", "fresh", "healthy".

Is that what you meant?

No, fr0g old chum, it is not.

Let me give you a clue: the one on the left is pronunced "to-MAH-to".

Ah. I get it.

So the wonky, slightly smaller and less appetising one on the left is the one that requires an amp and speaker wires, whilst the upright, larger and healthier looking one is the one with an active crossover and inbuilt amps.

Or did I misunderstand again?

That's right. The one on the right measures better, but when you taste them...

 

[Andrew Everard]

...as if...

Who is Asif? Was he responsible for this

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[BenLaw]

...as if...

Who is Asif?

I think he's on first.