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[matt49]

I have a sticker on my fridge: "Zwei Dinge sollen Kinder von ihren Eltern bekommen: Wurtzeln und Flügel - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe". The punctuation is correct, though sparse. He might have had an excellent editor-in-chief, of course. :?

Nice quotation, though I doubt it's actually by Goethe. I see you use an 18th-century spelling, 'Wurtzeln' (today it would read 'Wurzeln'). Interesting. Is this the actual spelling on the fridge sticker?

For those without German, it means: 'Children should get two things from their parents: roots and wings'.

 

[Macspur]

I have a sticker on my fridge: "Zwei Dinge sollen Kinder von ihren Eltern bekommen: Wurtzeln und Flügel - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe". The punctuation is correct, though sparse. He might have had an excellent editor-in-chief, of course. :?

Nice quotation, though I doubt it's actually by Goethe. I see you use an 18th-century spelling, 'Wurtzeln' (today it would read 'Wurzeln'). Interesting. Is this the actual spelling on the fridge sticker?

For those without German, it means: 'Children should get two things from their parents: roots and wings'.

Nice... thanks for the translation Matt.

Not that I doubt your superior knowledge, but curious to know why do you doubt it's by Goethe?

Mac

 

[DocG]

I have a sticker on my fridge: "Zwei Dinge sollen Kinder von ihren Eltern bekommen: Wurtzeln und Flügel - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe". The punctuation is correct, though sparse. He might have had an excellent editor-in-chief, of course. :?

Nice quotation, though I doubt it's actually by Goethe. I see you use an 18th-century spelling, 'Wurtzeln' (today it would read 'Wurzeln'). Interesting. Is this the actual spelling on the fridge sticker?

For those without German, it means: 'Children should get two things from their parents: roots and wings'.

That's my typo! :doh:

I do believe it's by Goethe. I was told it's in his collected works (though I've seen it quoted as an Indian or Jewish saying too...).

 

[matt49]

Nice... thanks for the translation Matt.

Not that I doubt your superior knowledge, but curious to know why do you doubt it's by Goethe?

Mac

I'm not certain it's not by him, I just doubt it is, for several reasons. I don't recognise it, and I'd expect to. Often other people's aphorisms get attributed to Goethe. If you search for this one on the web, you won't find any sites that actually give the source (I mean a reference to a specific work by G.) and that makes me a bit suspicious. It doesn't 'smell' like Goethe; I don't like the rather abrupt collocation of 'roots' and 'wings'. And the key words don't appear in the online Goethe dictionary; I'd expect to find this use of the word 'Flügel' (wings) in there.

So no conclusive evidence, just a few pointers.

That's my typo! :doh:

I do believe it's by Goethe. I was told it's in his collected works (though I've seen it quoted as an Indian or Jewish saying too...).

If you could find the source, that'd be great. But it might be a long search: the most complete edition of his works runs to 143 volumes. I have the complete works on (searchable) CD-ROM, but the disk's in my office in a crate waiting for our office relocation in August. Until then ...

:cheers:

Matt

 

[Macspur]

Nice... thanks for the translation Matt.

Not that I doubt your superior knowledge, but curious to know why do you doubt it's by Goethe?

Mac

I'm not certain it's not by him, I just doubt it is, for several reasons. I don't recognise it, and I'd expect to. Often other people's aphorisms get attributed to Goethe. If you search for this one on the web, you won't find any sites that actually give the source (I mean a reference to a specific work by G.) and that makes me a bit suspicious. It doesn't 'smell' like Goethe; I don't like the rather abrupt collocation of 'roots' and 'wings'. And the key words don't appear in the online Goethe dictionary; I'd expect to find this use of the word 'Flügel' (wings) in there.

So no conclusive evidence, just a few pointers.

Thank you.

Any news on the Devialet?

Mac

 

[matt49]

Thank you.

Any news on the Devialet?

Mac

Cheers, Mac.

i'll post on the good Doc's Devialet thread, lest I take this thread any further off topic than I already have.

Matt

 

[Petherick]

'Let It Die' by Feist is pretty good.

 

[Covenanter]

I have a sticker on my fridge: "Zwei Dinge sollen Kinder von ihren Eltern bekommen: Wurtzeln und Flügel - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe". The punctuation is correct, though sparse. He might have had an excellent editor-in-chief, of course. :?

Nice quotation, though I doubt it's actually by Goethe. I see you use an 18th-century spelling, 'Wurtzeln' (today it would read 'Wurzeln'). Interesting. Is this the actual spelling on the fridge sticker?

For those without German, it means: 'Children should get two things from their parents: roots and wings'.

I think he DID say:

"We have no power to fashion our children as it suits our will; As they are given by God, so we must have them and love them; teach them as best we can, and let each of them follow his nature."

which seems to me to be much more wise than the "roots" and "wings" thing.

Chris

PS The tutor on an OU course I did a couple of years ago was a great enthusiast for Goethe and he told us this quote in a tutorial. I did have to Google it to get the wording correct!

 

[DocG]

I have a sticker on my fridge: "Zwei Dinge sollen Kinder von ihren Eltern bekommen: Wurtzeln und Flügel - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe". The punctuation is correct, though sparse. He might have had an excellent editor-in-chief, of course. :?

Nice quotation, though I doubt it's actually by Goethe. I see you use an 18th-century spelling, 'Wurtzeln' (today it would read 'Wurzeln'). Interesting. Is this the actual spelling on the fridge sticker?

For those without German, it means: 'Children should get two things from their parents: roots and wings'.

I think he DID say:

"We have no power to fashion our children as it suits our will; As they are given by God, so we must have them and love them; teach them as best we can, and let each of them follow his nature."

which seems to me to be much more wise than the "roots" and "wings" thing.

Chris

PS The tutor on an OU course I did a couple of years ago was a great enthusiast for Goethe and he told us this quote in a tutorial. I did have to Google it to get the wording correct!

Googling the 'roots&wings' quote shows a lot of "Yes, it is! No, it isn't!" debate anyway, without any specific references. Which makes it suspicious. I guess you're right (Chris and Matt). It would make the correct punctuation on my fridge sticker more believable too!

 

[matt49]

I think he DID say:

"We have no power to fashion our children as it suits our will; As they are given by God, so we must have them and love them; teach them as best we can, and let each of them follow his nature."

which seems to me to be much more wise than the "roots" and "wings" thing.

Chris

PS The tutor on an OU course I did a couple of years ago was a great enthusiast for Goethe and he told us this quote in a tutorial. I did have to Google it to get the wording correct!

Yes, that's from Goethe's poem 'Herrmann and Dorothea'.

Matt

 

[alan harknett]

crash test dummies - god shuffled his feet

ozric tenticals - aborescence - become the other

gabrielle - rise

peter gabriel - so

genesis - a trick of the tail

michael jackson - bad - thriller

metallica - black album

 

[cse]

I am playing the critic not the performer.

Then do it better please.

A bit of wit, an engaging writing style and some genuine insight wouldn't go amiss.

You're no Jonathan Meades.

You should hear yourself sometimes. The pot calling the kettle black.

 

[cse]

I might also add that you have chosen to completely ignore the fact that I have vast listening experience and a high level of classical musical education.

And you assume that because we don't agree that I don't. I would be a little more interested in your opinions if they didn't always focus on the 'self' and your 'high/vast' level of expertise, so much greater than anyone else. Try a little harder next time not to so easily take offence, it betrays your obvious high level of knowledge.

 

[Supreme]

... classical music, whilst not particularly popular, is of the highest possible merit as an expression of mankind to the natural and physical world.

Glad you enjoy it but be a good chap and stop talking rot

 

[gooner26]

The Police Greatest Hits (1990)

Astral Week, Van Morrison (early version)

Albert King, The Lost Sessions

Tony Bennett, MTV Unplugged

All on cd.

 

[matthewpiano]

I might also add that you have chosen to completely ignore the fact that I have vast listening experience and a high level of classical musical education.

And you assume that because we don't agree that I don't. I would be a little more interested in your opinions if they didn't always focus on the 'self' and your 'high/vast' level of expertise, so much greater than anyone else. Try a little harder next time not to so easily take offence, it betrays your obvious high level of knowledge.

What?? Thanks for quoting me completely out of context! I make no assumptions about your background and think I made it crystal clear I don't see myself as better than anyone else. I think that really is a case of the pot calling the kettle. I do take offence when people start with the same old elitist arguments of superiority and validity because they put barriers in the way of new listeners coming to great music. Classical music should be accessible to everyone and I don't mean by depending on showy and low quality performances by the likes of Lang Lang.

Anyway, having just watched a wonderfully characterised performance of Mahler 5 from the Proms, I just haven't got the energy to keep this going. Life is too short so let's both just jog on and try to avoid coming up against each other in future. It's a shame because I think we share some of the same passions, but I don't think we will ever see eye to eye.

 

[Covenanter]

To pull a few strings of this thread (excellent recorings, von Otter and Goethe) together:

The von Otter recording of orchestrated Schubert Leider I recommended earlier http://www.amazon.co.uk/Schubert-Anne-Sofie-Von-Otter/dp/B00008MLUR/ref=sr_1_42?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1374221408&sr=1-42&keywords=von+otter contains a couple of Goethe poems as set to music by Schubert, probably the two most famous ones, Gretchen at the Spinning Wheel and the Erl-King, as orchestrated by Reger and Berlioz respectively. Very interesting to hear this repertoire in an orchestrated form. (I find von Otter's Erl-King particularly moving.)

Chris

 

[chebby]

I am playing the critic not the performer.

Then do it better please.

A bit of wit, an engaging writing style and some genuine insight wouldn't go amiss.

You're no Jonathan Meades.

You should hear yourself sometimes. The pot calling the kettle black.

Yeah, but i'm not the self-elected cultural critic for the forum. So I can be as 'black' as I like, whereas you've set a standard for yourself by setting the standard for others.

 

[Tarxman]

Have to say I agree with DIB, Acoustic Live by Nils Lofgren is incredibly well recorded live performance. Special mention to the track Keith Don't Go.