Why don't hifi manufacturers simply add a "warm-bright" knob to their amplifiers? At a stroke it would eleminate all the system matching and brand loyalty wars that seem to pre-occupy this forum. It would also mean you could enjoy, for example Stravinsky and Vaughn Williams to the full on the same system
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Warm-Bright knob?
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JD is the resident specialist on everything knobs, at least he was until he got drawn to the greenish dark side.
Interesting thought. One stroke of a "warm-bright'' knob to make things more enjoyable. Hmmm....
Seriously though, I'm not at sure how that would work. Like bass/treble tone controls?
Seriously though, I'm not at sure how that would work. Like bass/treble tone controls?
I suppose it could be done by switching between differing output stages of the same amp. What sort of problems you would have to get over having 2 different output stages i don't know.
Why you would need that though i'm not sure, just bye an amp with your sonic requirements.
Why you would need that though i'm not sure, just bye an amp with your sonic requirements.
Kevin Stephens:Why don't hifi manufacturers simply add a "warm-bright" knob to their amplifiers?
What, you mean like the 'tilt' control Quad amps have used for decades?
What, you mean like the 'tilt' control Quad amps have used for decades?
chebby
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There were some old Yamaha amps that gave a choice of operation between Class A only and Class A/B. (One would power off the amp then flick the mode switch then power up again.)
Class A would typically be around 25 watts per channel maximum (and the amp would run hot) but the sound was more 'valve like' and warm in tone.
In Class A/B mode the amp would have full power available and run cooler.
Needless to say it got abused (people didn't read instructions back then either) and users would flick between modes without powering off first and break the thing! Partly Yamaha's fault for not putting this mode switch on the back with a big warning label.
Class A would typically be around 25 watts per channel maximum (and the amp would run hot) but the sound was more 'valve like' and warm in tone.
In Class A/B mode the amp would have full power available and run cooler.
Needless to say it got abused (people didn't read instructions back then either) and users would flick between modes without powering off first and break the thing! Partly Yamaha's fault for not putting this mode switch on the back with a big warning label.
plastic penguin
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Kevin Stephens:Why don't hifi manufacturers simply add a "warm-bright" knob to their amplifiers? At a stroke it would eleminate all the system matching and brand loyalty wars that seem to pre-occupy this forum. It would also mean you could enjoy, for example Stravinsky and Vaughn Williams to the full on the same system
Define "warm-bright"?
Define "warm-bright"?
Or what about two separate knobs? You could have one for warm and one for bright. You could call them 'bass' & 'treble' or "tone controls" if you will. You could then have a direct/bypass switch.
Sounds simple to me. I wonder if it'll ever catch on?
Sounds simple to me. I wonder if it'll ever catch on?
plastic penguin:
Kevin Stephens:Why don't hifi manufacturers simply add a "warm-bright" knob to their amplifiers? At a stroke it would eleminate all the system matching and brand loyalty wars that seem to pre-occupy this forum. It would also mean you could enjoy, for example Stravinsky and Vaughn Williams to the full on the same system
Define "warm-bright"?
This could get complicated ...
Kevin Stephens:Why don't hifi manufacturers simply add a "warm-bright" knob to their amplifiers? At a stroke it would eleminate all the system matching and brand loyalty wars that seem to pre-occupy this forum. It would also mean you could enjoy, for example Stravinsky and Vaughn Williams to the full on the same system
Define "warm-bright"?
This could get complicated ...
John Duncan
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drummerman:JD is the resident specialist on everything knobs, at least he was until he got drawn to the greenish dark side.
And, quite coincidental to this, now have none at all. Though my Fubar does have a very small, yet beautifully formed, one.
Doesn't answer the OPs question, of course, though there are these weird things called 'Tone Controls'. You may have heard of them.
And, quite coincidental to this, now have none at all. Though my Fubar does have a very small, yet beautifully formed, one.
Doesn't answer the OPs question, of course, though there are these weird things called 'Tone Controls'. You may have heard of them.
John Duncan
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Big Chris:
Or what about two separate knobs? You could have one for warm and one for bright. You could call them 'bass' & 'treble' or "tone controls" if you will. You could then have a direct/bypass switch.
Sounds simple to me. I wonder if it'll ever catch on?
Sorry BC, you got in there first and were funnier about it. I defer...
Or what about two separate knobs? You could have one for warm and one for bright. You could call them 'bass' & 'treble' or "tone controls" if you will. You could then have a direct/bypass switch.
Sounds simple to me. I wonder if it'll ever catch on?
Sorry BC, you got in there first and were funnier about it. I defer...
plastic penguin
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Indeed: let me just add to the knob debate. Many moons ago, around 30 years to be more precise, my school chum's parents used to have a Ferguson [sic] integrated amp with...wait for it...bass, treble and midrange. Now tone controls aren't particularly fashionable beyond the budget brands, but I really do believe they are as relevant now as they were 30 years ago.
Sorry, no humour, quips or suchlike...just a matter of fact observation.
Sorry, no humour, quips or suchlike...just a matter of fact observation.
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Why would you want one of those anyway, surely your system should sound good with whatever you throw at it?
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Maybe someone could come up with a similar concept to the guitar modelling amps? One amp with the charactistics of many others available at the turn of a switch.
Stumpy21:How about a good old fashioned graphic equaliser.
They were always totally pointless INMO (unless you were a sound engineer, perhaps); just COMPELLING people to tweak for no good reason whatsoever.
I've known people in years gone by when they were the "rage" to literally get up to "tweak" between each track. How sad.
They were always totally pointless INMO (unless you were a sound engineer, perhaps); just COMPELLING people to tweak for no good reason whatsoever.
I've known people in years gone by when they were the "rage" to literally get up to "tweak" between each track. How sad.
Kevin Stephens:Why don't hifi manufacturers simply add a "warm-bright" knob to their amplifiers? At a stroke it would eleminate all the system matching and brand loyalty wars that seem to pre-occupy this forum. It would also mean you could enjoy, for example Stravinsky and Vaughn Williams to the full on the same system
I'm surprised that
a) so many supposedly well informed forum members believe that if you use tone controls or graphical equalisers on, say Arcam and Cyrus amplifiers you can make them interchangable; and
b) so many took my tongue-in-cheek post so seriously.
I'm surprised that
a) so many supposedly well informed forum members believe that if you use tone controls or graphical equalisers on, say Arcam and Cyrus amplifiers you can make them interchangable; and
b) so many took my tongue-in-cheek post so seriously.
chebby
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Kevin Stephens:...so many supposedly well informed forum members believe that if you use tone controls or graphical equalisers on, say Arcam and Cyrus amplifiers you can make them interchangable...
All of Arcam's Solo products have bass and treble tone controls and so does their FMJ A18 integrated amplifier. (They are electronically set from the remote rather than controls on the fascia.)
Going back to older designs, the Arcam A65, A75, A85 and A90 and C30 pre-amp also had tone controls. (I have just checked the online manuals.)
All of Arcam's Solo products have bass and treble tone controls and so does their FMJ A18 integrated amplifier. (They are electronically set from the remote rather than controls on the fascia.)
Going back to older designs, the Arcam A65, A75, A85 and A90 and C30 pre-amp also had tone controls. (I have just checked the online manuals.)
chebby
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Kevin Stephens:a) so many supposedly well informed forum members believe that if you use tone controls or graphical equalisers on, say Arcam and Cyrus amplifiers you can make them interchangable
One person said...
"Maybe someone could come up with a similar concept to the guitar
modelling amps? One amp with the charactistics of many others available
at the turn of a switch."
Neither Arcam nor Cyrus were mentioned, and the poster expressed no such 'belief'. He just speculated with a generalised 'maybe'.
Can you show us where in the thread you found... "so many supposedly well informed forum members believe that if you use tone controls or graphical equalisers on, say Arcam and Cyrus amplifiers you can make them interchangable" ?
Thanks.
One person said...
"Maybe someone could come up with a similar concept to the guitar
modelling amps? One amp with the charactistics of many others available
at the turn of a switch."
Neither Arcam nor Cyrus were mentioned, and the poster expressed no such 'belief'. He just speculated with a generalised 'maybe'.
Can you show us where in the thread you found... "so many supposedly well informed forum members believe that if you use tone controls or graphical equalisers on, say Arcam and Cyrus amplifiers you can make them interchangable" ?
Thanks.
Sliced Bread
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chebby:
There were some old Yamaha amps that gave a choice of operation between Class A only and Class A/B...
I seem to remember Matantz also doing this too about 2 years ago. I wonder why they didn't continue with it? Maybe they had the same issue.
There were some old Yamaha amps that gave a choice of operation between Class A only and Class A/B...
I seem to remember Matantz also doing this too about 2 years ago. I wonder why they didn't continue with it? Maybe they had the same issue.
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