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In between all this instantaneous switching between equipment, forgetting what music sounds like, reading tomes on psycho-acoustics and electronic design, blind comparisons, objective measurements, inventing a headrest to ensure one's head does not move a fraction of an inch between tests... etc etc when is there time left to actually enjoy some music?
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method man:
The most popular 'downloads' will probably be happy memories that can be lived out in full sensory consciousness. (Whether they are actually yours or not will be a minor philosophical pothole on the road to enormous wealth for someone.)
from the film 'strange days' starring ralph fiennes.
Sounds like someones been plagiarising/modernising " A la recherche du temps perdu".
(and before somebody links to it -clicky )
The most popular 'downloads' will probably be happy memories that can be lived out in full sensory consciousness. (Whether they are actually yours or not will be a minor philosophical pothole on the road to enormous wealth for someone.)
from the film 'strange days' starring ralph fiennes.
Sounds like someones been plagiarising/modernising " A la recherche du temps perdu".
(and before somebody links to it -clicky )
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chebby:In between all this instantaneous switching between equipment, forgetting what music sounds like, reading tomes on psycho-acoustics and electronic design, blind comparisons, objective measurements, inventing a headrest to ensure one's head does not move a fraction of an inch between tests... etc etc when is there time left to actually enjoy some music?
Well it doesn't matter does it, since you'll forget it as soon as you listen to it. I think this is why, no matter how many times I listen to Brothers In Arms, I still think it's sh-te.
Well it doesn't matter does it, since you'll forget it as soon as you listen to it. I think this is why, no matter how many times I listen to Brothers In Arms, I still think it's sh-te.
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JohnDuncan:plastic penguin:
JohnDuncan:[poll] Note - log in to vote!
I'm a floating luddite.
Tip: don't google "floating luddite".
In Excel terms ,you have just created a circular reference.
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I'm a floating luddite.
Tip: don't google "floating luddite".
In Excel terms ,you have just created a circular reference.
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al7478:Um...the fact that there is some academic studying memory of sound doesnt say anything about his findings or beliefs on the subject.
AUDITORY MEMORY In contrast to our ability to look again at visual information we have not properly registered, the transient nature of auditory information means that we are potentially much more reliant upon memory for sound. Despite this, the mechanisms behind the encoding and retrieval of auditory information are not well understood, nor it is understood the extent to which these processes reflect memorial operations in vision.
Link.
At the very least, this suggests a basic psychology book hasn't quite got this subject licked...
AUDITORY MEMORY In contrast to our ability to look again at visual information we have not properly registered, the transient nature of auditory information means that we are potentially much more reliant upon memory for sound. Despite this, the mechanisms behind the encoding and retrieval of auditory information are not well understood, nor it is understood the extent to which these processes reflect memorial operations in vision.
Link.
At the very least, this suggests a basic psychology book hasn't quite got this subject licked...
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chebby:
Ravey Gravey Davy:Sounds like someones been plagiarising/modernising " A la recherche du temps perdu".
(and before somebody links to it -clicky )
What a fuss some people make after dunking a cake in their tea!
It would never have happened with a Hob-***.
Only happens with cakes named after females- not come across a female hob *** yet but one of those Dubai assassins comes close.
Ravey Gravey Davy:Sounds like someones been plagiarising/modernising " A la recherche du temps perdu".
(and before somebody links to it -clicky )
What a fuss some people make after dunking a cake in their tea!
It would never have happened with a Hob-***.
Only happens with cakes named after females- not come across a female hob *** yet but one of those Dubai assassins comes close.
Ravey Gravey Davy:
al7478:But guess what come up first if you do...
That was my point with circular reference.
Damn, missed it again.
al7478:But guess what come up first if you do...
That was my point with circular reference.
Damn, missed it again.
CD or HDD or Vinyl. In quality terms, it all comes down to cost, technology and system synergy. It's a mute point unless you have funds for the absolute best in each. Most commonly, it comes down to the best within your budget.
Also, on the price issue, let's not forget power consumption. For example, a Rega Apollo consumes 12W. Whilst checking the specifications page for an 'eco friendly' NAS, it stated "35W nominal". Now add in either a PC/mac or streaming device, wireless router and a DAC, to complete the CD equivalent comparison, and that's a lot more juice.
Also, on the price issue, let's not forget power consumption. For example, a Rega Apollo consumes 12W. Whilst checking the specifications page for an 'eco friendly' NAS, it stated "35W nominal". Now add in either a PC/mac or streaming device, wireless router and a DAC, to complete the CD equivalent comparison, and that's a lot more juice.
AL13N: Also, on the price issue, let's not forget power consumption. For example, a Rega Apollo consumes 12W. Whilst checking the specifications page for an 'eco friendly' NAS, it stated "35W nominal".
That sounds quite high, my NAS's paperwork reckons it uses 11W max, and that's with two drives (I've only got one in there at the moment).
Now add in either a PC/mac or streaming device to complete the CD equivalent comparison, and that's a lot more juice.
It's about 17W for a Sonos ZP90, so 28W total. It's still less than half a single 60W lightbulb, I saved more than that swapping out the three bulbs over my pool table for 100W equivalent energy saving bulbs, so I'm not going to be losing any sleep over it...
That sounds quite high, my NAS's paperwork reckons it uses 11W max, and that's with two drives (I've only got one in there at the moment).
Now add in either a PC/mac or streaming device to complete the CD equivalent comparison, and that's a lot more juice.
It's about 17W for a Sonos ZP90, so 28W total. It's still less than half a single 60W lightbulb, I saved more than that swapping out the three bulbs over my pool table for 100W equivalent energy saving bulbs, so I'm not going to be losing any sleep over it...
Point taken.
I was referring to the power consumption taken in isolation (like for like). However, I agree that taken as a whole it makes little difference to the overall household output.
The NAS was a 4-bay 2TB unit working off its own on board processor (with the PC switched off). I've made the necesarry correction to my post above.
I was referring to the power consumption taken in isolation (like for like). However, I agree that taken as a whole it makes little difference to the overall household output.
The NAS was a 4-bay 2TB unit working off its own on board processor (with the PC switched off). I've made the necesarry correction to my post above.
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Fahnsen:idc:
Re jitter there is lots of science here http://community.whathifi.com/forums/t/385137.aspx and can you cite the sceince behind your claims re memory of sound and head position?
The thread you refer to is about as science-free as any cable discussion I've seen.
The fact that we have no exact memory of sound and can't compare sound samples with more than a few seconds between them, is common knowledge. So is the fact that your perceptions has more to do with what's going on in your head, than the physical nature of the phenomenons you witness. I would think you'll find most of it in an entry level psychology book.
That sound will change physically with only slight changes to the positioning, is something you can check yourself with a mic and the right software. Or you could find the phenomenon described and illustrated in a number of hi-fi discussion groups...
I have referenced a number of studies of jitter, google jitter and you will find plenty of science behind the theory.
If we have no exact memory of sound, how do I remember what my wife's voice sounds like so I know it is her on the phone? How do I still recognise old friend's voices? How do I know that the music at work from an Aiwa mini system is worse than my home hifi? That is not perception of sound, that is memory of sound. You also continually fail to produce any sepecific reference.
You advocate measuring sound from a mic with software, but ignore measurements of jitter with software, why? You make out slight movements of the head can have an effect (not with headphones), but ignore the slight effects of jitter. Please give more reasoning for that.
Re jitter there is lots of science here http://community.whathifi.com/forums/t/385137.aspx and can you cite the sceince behind your claims re memory of sound and head position?
The thread you refer to is about as science-free as any cable discussion I've seen.
The fact that we have no exact memory of sound and can't compare sound samples with more than a few seconds between them, is common knowledge. So is the fact that your perceptions has more to do with what's going on in your head, than the physical nature of the phenomenons you witness. I would think you'll find most of it in an entry level psychology book.
That sound will change physically with only slight changes to the positioning, is something you can check yourself with a mic and the right software. Or you could find the phenomenon described and illustrated in a number of hi-fi discussion groups...
I have referenced a number of studies of jitter, google jitter and you will find plenty of science behind the theory.
If we have no exact memory of sound, how do I remember what my wife's voice sounds like so I know it is her on the phone? How do I still recognise old friend's voices? How do I know that the music at work from an Aiwa mini system is worse than my home hifi? That is not perception of sound, that is memory of sound. You also continually fail to produce any sepecific reference.
You advocate measuring sound from a mic with software, but ignore measurements of jitter with software, why? You make out slight movements of the head can have an effect (not with headphones), but ignore the slight effects of jitter. Please give more reasoning for that.
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JohnDuncan:Nah, I'm gonna let this one run until we get the right answer.
Have you thought of being a premiership referee?
Have you thought of being a premiership referee?
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Clare Newsome:
JohnDuncan:Nah, I'm gonna let this one run until we get the right answer.
Have you thought of being a premiership referee?
No, but I have been approached to word the referendum on Scottish independence...
JohnDuncan:Nah, I'm gonna let this one run until we get the right answer.
Have you thought of being a premiership referee?
No, but I have been approached to word the referendum on Scottish independence...
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