I am very pleased with my BK 400 for AV but have still not got round to connecting it for hifi. Just wondering how many peeps bother with a sub for hifi particularly, perhaps, for those with floorstanders? Mine go down to 44Hz.
MajorFubar said:I do (see sig below) but it's more of a luxury item than a necessity. A lot depends on your musical preferences. You would think opposite, but in rock you'd be surprised how little there is going on below about 45Hz, especially 70s and 80s rock albums, where the bass was often deliberately curtailed during the mastering stage so that an album of predominantly loud music running 23-25 min per side could be cut to vinyl and still be playable. With EDM and classical / orchestral though, there can be a hive of activity below 45Hz, which mostly you feel more than hear.
Samd said:Interesting - love organ music also so might try a flac of Felix Hell through AVR and then compare with same through hifi amp. Even though different amps should hear the base extension?
Just been listening to "Prelude & Fugue on the Name BACH, S. 260" from his album Organ Sensation, via Apple Music. Turning it only as high as I dare considering it was 11pm at night and I have neighbours, the bass pedals in 'Prelude' sank through the floor!Samd said:might try a flac of Felix Hell
MajorFubar said:I do (see sig below) but it's more of a luxury item than a necessity. A lot depends on your musical preferences. You would think opposite, but in rock you'd be surprised how little there is going on below about 45Hz, especially 70s and 80s rock albums, where the bass was often deliberately curtailed during the mastering stage so that an album of predominantly loud music running 23-25 min per side could be cut to vinyl and still be playable. With EDM and classical / orchestral though, there can be a hive of activity below 45Hz, which mostly you feel more than hear.
luckylion100 said:;-)
A sub is an absolute must have with DM10's. I'd like to add a second.
MeanandGreen said:For those who are against the option of a subwoofer for a stereo music system, saying it doesn't sound right or it sounds unnatural. I assume you haven't heard a properly setup sub?
It takes days of listening and tweaking to get a sub absolutely right. A properly intergtated sub shouldn't sound like anything, you shouldn't be able to notice it's there. There should be the impression that the main speakers have well extended, well defined and controlled bass and nothing more.
Subs can and do work and they have their place, but I do agree that most speaker and room combinations most likely don't 'need' one.
Even without a sub I can't say I find them lacking bass more than any other speakers with 6.5" woofers. But equally, as the American's say, there's no replacement for displacement, and it's unrealistic to expect them to deliver window-shaking sub bass.lindsayt said:For serious listening with AVI active speakers, I'd rate a subwoofer as essential in order to avoid an overly lean and uninivolving listening experience.
I'd thought about doing this when funds are more flush, even if just to add visual symmetry because atm the sub is sat between the left speaker and the AV cabinet but over on the right is a big fat nothingness. However unlike on the ADM9's, there is no output for a second sub on the master speaker, so instead I would have to connect the two in parallel with a Y adaptor. On the second I would turn down the rolloff to the minimum 30Hz setting so that it really was only handling the absolute lowest frequencies.luckylion100 said:A sub is an absolute must have with DM10's. I'd like to add a second.
stereoman said:I would say - never ! As well as 5.1 and similar setups. The proper stereo setup will suffice in 100% as far as proper bass and soundstage is concerned - the condition being - the right stereo setup. if you feel the lack of bass then you have a wrong system, especially loudspeakers. BUT, adding a sub will please many deep bass lovers because indeed it will sacrifice midrange for the sake of low frequencies which in turn make the overall sound extremely filling. So a matter of taste - but once again - in no case sub is an audiophile aspect to me...although you have audiophile 2.1 expensive systems ( not so many though ).
I completely disagree. The only way a subwoofer can have a detrimental effect on a system is if it's poorly implemted.stereoman said:I would say - never ! As well as 5.1 and similar setups. The proper stereo setup will suffice in 100% as far as proper bass and soundstage is concerned - the condition being - the right stereo setup. if you feel the lack of bass then you have a wrong system, especially loudspeakers. BUT, adding a sub will please many deep bass lovers because indeed it will sacrifice midrange for the sake of low frequencies which in turn make the overall sound extremely filling. So a matter of taste - but once again - in no case sub is an audiophile aspect to me...although you have audiophile 2.1 expensive systems ( not so many though ).
MajorFubar said:I'd thought about doing this when funds are more flush, even if just to add visual symmetry because atm the sub is sat between the left speaker and the AV cabinet but over on the right is a big fat nothingness. However unlike on the ADM9's, there is no output for a second sub on the master speaker, so instead I would have to connect the two in parallel with a Y adaptor.