UE46B8000 SAMSUNG Big Issue, I am getting Motion Blur.

[Clare Newsome]

I don't doubt it - for exactly the point I made in my post above (and included in your own list above): the Sky+HD box isn't great at upscaling.

If you've a decent TV and a Sky+ box, your TV is doing the upscaling. If you then switch to Sky+HD but don't set it to AUTO, the Sky+HD box is doing the upscaling, not your TV. That could mean a loss in quality with SD broadcasts - especially if your TV has an excellent upscaler.

But set to AUTO, you can let either your TV or receiver do the upscaling. If you've a decent AV amp (think likes of Onkyo 876/6 upwards) you can even upscale the Sky picture better than your TV/projector can.

 

[aliEnRIK]

Clare Newsome:
I don't doubt it - for exactly the point I made in my post above (and included in your own list above): the Sky+HD box isn't great at upscaling.

If you've a decent TV and a Sky+ box, your TV is doing the upscaling. If you then switch to Sky+HD but don't set it to AUTO, the Sky+HD box is doing the upscaling, not your TV. That could mean a loss in quality with SD broadcasts - especially if your TV has an excellent upscaler.

But set to AUTO, you can let either your TV or receiver do the upscaling. If you've a decent AV amp (think likes of Onkyo 876/6 upwards) you can even upscale the Sky picture better than your TV/projector can.

Theyve tried every conceivable permutation of setting up (auto, 1080i, scart, hdmi, contrast etc). Their options have dried out

As for auto ~ it then force DEINTERLACES (Not actually sending the signal 'as is'). Unfortunate then that not only do the HD boxes have poor scalers but they also have poor deinterlacers

 

[Anonymous]

The Pioneers are at the the 9th Gen' of Plasma development, so the 'stunning masterpiece' took a decade to perfect? Their engineers will end up with Panasonic and we will sure see some hot Panasonic sets soon?

I think the skill for any company is to manufacture a TV set at value for money and being Stunning. Its why we buy magazines to read reviews.Or else why bother, just buy the most expensive TV and save £4.50 to find out which is the best.

Sony and Samsung hits the button here as the best Value Vs. Performance. 2.5k for a KURO Black Plasma and with 3D TV coming round the corner, I think it's now not a worthwhile investment. If money is no objective to you then fine.

Pioneer is bowing out at just right time at the near end of the 2D TV era.They can rely on their other cash cow ventures like Amps and HD Players which they are so good at.

The Pioneer Kuros are technically too perfect and over engineered like the Golf GTI of old and not very forgiving with any source thats not pure 1080p.

LCD and OLED variants are set to rule the waves as they are cheaper to make than a Pioneer Kuro.Cost benefit economics dicatates the Kuros cannot survive in a profit driven division when its clienteles are now fewer in numbers.I suppose those who still cling onto their Linn's and granite based turntables - the purist will mourn its closure as the Fashionhouse YSL by fashionistas.But I am not sorry to see it go.

Let's not forget that the biggest buyers of Flat Tvs are the upper middle family guys or young and restless playing Call of Duty Mordern Warfare 2, they are less concerned with the technical accompliments of the TV, as long as it gets 8/10 and not cost too much.

If you were Pioneer you can see your days are numbered! Interestingly their LCD TVs never made the same splash??

I know I sound like an accountant, I am.

 

[Clare Newsome]

aliEnRIK:Clare Newsome:

I don't doubt it
- for exactly the point I made in my post above (and included in your
own list above): the Sky+HD box isn't great at upscaling.

If
you've a decent TV and a Sky+ box, your TV is doing the upscaling. If
you then switch to Sky+HD but don't set it to AUTO, the Sky+HD box is
doing the upscaling, not your TV. That could mean a loss in quality
with SD broadcasts - especially if your TV has an excellent upscaler.

But
set to AUTO, you can let either your TV or receiver do the upscaling.
If you've a decent AV amp (think likes of Onkyo 876/6 upwards) you can
even upscale the Sky picture better than your TV/projector can.

Theyve tried every conceivable permutation of setting up (auto, 1080i, scart, hdmi, contrast etc). Their options have dried out

As
for auto ~ it then force DEINTERLACES (Not actually sending the signal
'as is'). Unfortunate then that not only do the HD boxes have poor
scalers but they also have poor deinterlacers

I'm sorry, but I think you're blowing this out of all proportion, just to force a point - and I speak from personal and professional experience on this one; at home, I upgraded from Sky to Sky+HD and - even on an 80in projection screen- it was an overwhelmingly positive experience.

But then I did give the settings a full going over, use decent cabling, and - and this is the most crucial aspect of all - I have largely stopped watching SD content, because once you've got HD channels at your disposal, why would you?

Yes, some channels look appalling - ITV, you know who you are - but for every minute of annoyance on that front, you're enjoying hours of TV looking great in HD.

I'm not arguing Sky+ HD is perfect, but in terms of offering the widest selection of HD content - whatever you're into - than it's the best we've currently got in the UK.

 

[Anonymous]

Sky HD broadcast at 720p, this is HD ready??? Not true HD. I wouldn't subscribe to Sky till it goes 3D, 1080p with DTS HD.A long wait!

With HD only BR justifies the existence of a 9th Gen' Pioneer Kuro. Sky HD has some way to go.

In other parts of the world.....

Last year in April 10th.

Hyundai's first 3D-capable HDTV has gone on sale in 23 shops in Japan today.

The 46-inch model has a 1920 x 1080 resolution, 1,200:1 contrast ratio and two HDMI inputs.

It produces a 3D image using stereoscopics - the rapid display of two different images, one for the viewer's left eye, the other for the right eye.

The set comes with two pairs of special spectacles which the viewer has to wear in order to see the broadcast in 3D.

Japanese cable company BS11 Digital will transmit experimental 3D broadcasts which the set will be able to receive.

Hyundai's 3D set is selling for ¾498,000 (around £2,400).

 

[aliEnRIK]

Clare Newsome:
aliEnRIK:Clare Newsome:

I don't doubt it
- for exactly the point I made in my post above (and included in your
own list above): the Sky+HD box isn't great at upscaling.

If
you've a decent TV and a Sky+ box, your TV is doing the upscaling. If
you then switch to Sky+HD but don't set it to AUTO, the Sky+HD box is
doing the upscaling, not your TV. That could mean a loss in quality
with SD broadcasts - especially if your TV has an excellent upscaler.

But
set to AUTO, you can let either your TV or receiver do the upscaling.
If you've a decent AV amp (think likes of Onkyo 876/6 upwards) you can
even upscale the Sky picture better than your TV/projector can.

Theyve tried every conceivable permutation of setting up (auto, 1080i, scart, hdmi, contrast etc). Their options have dried out

As
for auto ~ it then force DEINTERLACES (Not actually sending the signal
'as is'). Unfortunate then that not only do the HD boxes have poor
scalers but they also have poor deinterlacers

I'm sorry, but I think you're blowing this out of all proportion, just to force a point - and I speak from personal and professional experience on this one; at home, I upgraded from Sky to Sky+HD and - even on an 80in projection screen- it was an overwhelmingly positive experience.

But then I did give the settings a full going over, use decent cabling, and - and this is the most crucial aspect of all - I have largely stopped watching SD content, because once you've got HD channels at your disposal, why would you?

Yes, some channels look appalling - ITV, you know who you are - but for every minute of annoyance on that front, you're enjoying hours of TV looking great in HD.

I'm not arguing Sky+ HD is perfect, but in terms of offering the widest selection of HD content - whatever you're into - than it's the best we've currently got in the UK.

Youve turned this on its head now Clare. I was ONLY talking about SD content

 

[aliEnRIK]

Ultraslim:
Sky HD broadcast at 720p, this is HD ready??? Not true HD. I wouldn't subscribe to Sky till it goes 1080 with DTS HD.A long wait!

With HD only BR justifies the existence of a 9th Gen' Pioneer Kuro. Sky HD has some way to go.

As the proverbial saying goes - 'rubbish in rubbish out'

It outputs at 1080i actually

 

[Clare Newsome]

aliEnRIK:

Youve turned this on its head now Clare. I was ONLY talking about SD content

I know you were; obsessively so - which is why I brought it around to the biggest single reason you'd upgrade to Sky+HD: for the HD content!

But I stand by my point in my very first post on this issue: Sky+HD connected via HDMI gives you the best potential picture with SD. It gives you a range of upscaling options you simply don't get with a standard Sky box outputting via Scart....

 

[Anonymous]

Clare Newsome:
aliEnRIK:

Youve turned this on its head now Clare. I was ONLY talking about SD content

I know you were; obsessively so - which is why I brought it around to the biggest single reason you'd upgrade to Sky+HD: for the HD content!

But I stand by my point in my very first post on this issue: Sky+HD connected via HDMI gives you the best potential picture with SD. It gives you a range of upscaling options you simply don't get with a standard Sky box outputting via Scart....

or a humax foxsat , upscales decently enough , sd looked very good on a 46b650 i recently had , although some say the latest samsungs internal scaler takes over the scaling even if an external box is set to 1080i ...

 

[aliEnRIK]

Clare Newsome:
aliEnRIK:

Youve turned this on its head now Clare. I was ONLY talking about SD content

I know you were; obsessively so - which is why I brought it around to the biggest single reason you'd upgrade to Sky+HD: for the HD content!

But I stand by my point in my very first post on this issue: Sky+HD connected via HDMI gives you the best potential picture with SD. It gives you a range of upscaling options you simply don't get with a standard Sky box outputting via Scart....

Then why are all these people posting that SD content through their HD boxes are WORSE?

Im not being obsessive. Im just making a point and sticking to it

Your jumping around more than a kangaroo

 

[Clare Newsome]

I'm not, i'm just broadening the picture to look at ALL the aspects here, and bring us back on topic - which is why I keep coming back to points i've made from the beginning.

I can't tell you why some people feel their SD content is worse - too many variables of TV, cabling, set-top box (not to mention perception) to know the facts in every case. My SD's never looked better, thanks - wonder how many people also feel that, but haven't charged onto a Forum to declare it....

What I can continue to tell you is the point I made - again - from the start: top-notch Full HD TVs deserve the best-quality source you can feed them. That means a decent Blu-ray player, decent cabling, and all the HD TV you can afford!

 

[aliEnRIK]

Clare ~ we (In fact im sure everyone) will agree that HD is the best way to go overall

But this still doesnt change the fact that many people have commented that their SKY HD boxes are not as good displaying SD content as their SKY+ box (Having tried all possible settings)

Many people still watch a lot of SD content so id say its quite relevant

You getting angry doesnt change that fact

 

[Clare Newsome]

I'm always angry - not just about this particular point

I can see we're going to have to agree to differ here - both in our experiences and our take on what the key point is!

 

[pom165]

Thanks very much for the settings, will try those tonight and see how i get on. Will post on here what happens.

 

[pom165]

Claire, I have taken your advice and bought the SONY BLU RAY DVD you recommended. Yes, some will say why did you waste your money but hopefully it will sort the problem.

Thanks to MAXFLINN for the settings, will try those tonight and see how I get on, fingers crossed. Also cheers for some very good reading by everyone else.

 

[Anonymous]

pom165:Thanks very much for the settings, will try those tonight and see how i get on. Will post on here what happens.my apologies pom165 , i posted the settings for the 46b650 last night , id had a few beers

, below are the settings for the 46b8000 , it is mentioned that these settings are for watching hd , in a dark room , you may need to raise the backlight level a touch for daytime veiwing , or if you have a light on , also , their is a firmware update available (your tv may not need it) from the samsung uk website , these settings were applied to a 46b8000 after the update , but should still be ok , if you dont know how to update then post here later and ill tell you ....-Picture menu
Mode: Movie
Backlight: 4
Contrast: 95
Brightness: 44
Sharpness: 0
Color: 53
Tint: G49/R51

Advanced settings submenu
Black tone: Off
Dynamic contrast: Off
Gamma: +2
Color space: Auto
Flesh tone: 0
Edge enhancement: Off
xvYCC: Off

White balance submenu
R-Offset: 26
G-Offset: 25
B-Offset: 25
R-Gain: 28
G-Gain: 23
B-Gain: 19

Picture options submenu
Color tone: Warm2
Size: Screen Fit
Digital NR: Off
HDMI black level: Normal [grayed out]
Film mode: Off [grayed out]
Blue only mode: Off
Auto motion plus 120Hz: Custom
Custom settings:
Blur reduction: 10
Judder reduction: 0

--Setup menu
Game Mode: Off
Energy saving: Off

 

[pom165]

Cheers again, I have pluggd those settings in and it looks good without the blur. Seems odd though that they have the smooth setting on the tv which causes the motion blur and this after all is the main selling point and the reason why it cost soooooo much, ie it should not have BLUR full stop.

I rang Samsung and they said switch it off. Great.

Anyway I looked on the web and found this site where three other people had the same issue.

http://forums.cnet.com/5208-13973_102-0.html?threadID=355664

Not sure now whether to download the upgrade as it seems to have made things worse? As stated this is the second TV I have received from this shop and the same outcome. Think i may well ring them tomorrow and ask for a refund.

 

[Anonymous]

if it were me id send the tv back and get something else , how could samsung reccomend turning the tvs main selling point off ?? thats rediculous ,have you considered a panasonic 50v10 ??

 

[frenchiefr]

hi Pom165

I'll be you i will change the tv you ps3 will not give any blur should buy instead plasma txp42v10 is a great set for motion and fantastic for movie lover good i alway find LED set poor on motion same type of technology like lcd

 

[Anonymous]

I have the samsung UE40B8000 and I have motion blur on any input (ps3, xbox,dvd player, blur-ray player and my sky hd box). I rang samsung and they got me to reset the tv back to factory settings and that didn't fix my problem so they sent out an engineer and he said I need a new motherboard. Im waiting for the engineer to come back to fix the new motherboard so I will let you no how I get on with that..

 

[Anonymous]

I am glad the PS3 is likely to be proven not to be the cause of the motion blur images in your samsung! Why did some people even believed that with no first hand evidence to suggest this??

I'ts a dodgy motherboard!

 

[pom165]

Hi, I am glad someone else has come out of the wood work with the same issue. This is my second Samsung and still the same picture, motion blur.

I took Clair's advice and bought the Blu Ray Sony DVD player which made no difference so a waste of money. Can't take it back as the shop I brought it from stated if I open the box its yours. So I have a PS3 and a Sony Blu Ray which produces the same result with one I dont need.

I rang the company I got the TV from and the chap stated he has seen a few Samsung UE46B8000 with this issue and immediately asked for my serial number so he could pass it onto a Samsung engineer who is coming out this Thursday.

Seems I maybe getting a new motherboard. I am wondering if this is a minor issue to this model and the date it was made or people out there with this Samsung are happy with motion blur and not as picky as me and Movie Man

 

[Anonymous]

pom156, ive have had both motherboards and power unit and the led screen replaced and i still have the fault so dont get your hopes up that your tv will be fixed. Now that ive had the led screen replaced i get very bad cloudy patches all over the screen. im not happy at all. im waiting to hear back from the higher people from samsung to see what they will do next, im hoping they will take the tv back and give me my money back so i can go buy the philips 9704.

 

[Anonymous]

Movie Man:pom156, ive have had both motherboards and power unit and the led screen replaced and i still have the fault so dont get your hopes up that your tv will be fixed. Now that ive had the led screen replaced i get very bad cloudy patches all over the screen. im not happy at all. im waiting to hear back from the higher people from samsung to see what they will do next, im hoping they will take the tv back and give me my money back so i can go buy the philips 9704.in my opinion , there should be no hoping about it , you have every right to a refund , id demand one .....

 

[Anonymous]

Movie Man:pom156, ive have had both motherboards and power unit and the led screen replaced and i still have the fault so dont get your hopes up that your tv will be fixed. Now that ive had the led screen replaced i get very bad cloudy patches all over the screen. im not happy at all. im waiting to hear back from the higher people from samsung to see what they will do next, im hoping they will take the tv back and give me my money back so i can go buy the philips 9704.in my opinion , there should be no hoping about it , you have every right to a refund , id demand one .....