UE46B8000 SAMSUNG Big Issue, I am getting Motion Blur.

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Blurs in LCD are linked to response times measured in m/s just like LCD monitors.Samsung's LCD T220/240/260 PC monitor has a refresh rate of just 5 m/s and that's quicker than their TVs.And as they are small, will never need Motion frame interpolation wizardary to control motion blur.

Samsung are the biggest makers of LCD panels and even Apple went to them when the Apple G MAC 4 came out to secure a constant supply of LCD screen in production for Apple.

LCD TVs on the other hand have a slower response time and could be anything upto 8m/s or 11m/s.

The question is does all the LCD panels in a batch have the same LCD response time? I believe they don't as it varies like silicon wafer yields for semi conductors along with other differentials like..... Unifomity of CCFL lighting across the screen. These are factors that cannot be 100% controlled and determined in the production process. The screen will also have other differences say in the 'colour fidelity' and the how it displays a 'Grey scale'. If you had wondered what the White Balance adjustments are for then it is to compensate for the color space chrominicity variations.However, it is virtually imposible to use the naked eye to calibrate this. Sony had put alot of the tweaks back into the current V,W,Z series.

If you have a TV that has perfect video black screen uniformity; fast response;perfect color chrominicity and grey scale production then that's as close as to the best TV.The Pioneer 8th and 9th Gen plasmas can produce video blacks in near 'perfect dark'. Its academic and not worth spendiong 2k just for that much vaulted talent.

Other TVs like Sony and Samsung can darken more through adjustments.Sony's Adv. contrast setting is an autodimming trick than can take the blackness down to as black an LCD can get [0.01cd/m2] but you can lose some details. It looks great in games where there aren't that much details in the Blacks.
 

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maxxflin you aldo had the philips.between the sam and the philisp dont you think the samsung lacks a bit of detail on hd?
 
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hi ear , to be honest i liked the samsung a little more , i didnt compare them side by side , but from memory , having played planet earth blu ray on both , the samsung had the better colours , very good in fact , detail ?? hmmm , not much in it either way ...
 

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yep i agree on colours..and black detail...even with a little less definition and motion blurr...I think i prefer the samsung
 

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Wow I was not expecting all those replies. The only way I can explain this if a figure or object is moving fast then the edges of those figures or fast moving objects become blurred and its as if they are leaving a little bit of the figure or object behind which is causing this motion blur . I have received a new one yesterday and the problem is still there.

It can't be the TV so I can only assume its the PS3. It does do the same when on standard SKY but I was told by the chap who sold it to me that it will do that on standard SKY but should not do it on BLU RAY . If I turn the setting down, there are four:-

1. Off

2. Clear

3. Standard

4. Smooth

If I put it on clear or off there are no issues, but what is the point of having Standard and Smooth which is clearly a better picture. My only other option is to get a Blu Ray DVD player on its own and see if that makes any difference. One other thing I have a QED Classic lead which comes highly recommended on this site. I did buy this lead of Ebay as it was £20. Not sure whether to send it back and ask for my money back. :(
 

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The OP still could be enjoying better-looking Blu-ray performance, with even slicker motion, though
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It's the same issue with standard Sky - sad but true; a high-end, Full HD, 46in TV is never going to perform brilliantly being fed standard-definition Sky via a Scart lead, whatever the settings: the 'ask' re resolution, via that connection, is simply too much.
 

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Clare Newsome:The OP still could be enjoying better-looking Blu-ray performance, with even slicker motion, though
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When OPPO finally pull their fingers out and give us a european model ~ I might just take you up on that myself
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If it were me, I would want a different tv. I don't think I could put up with what you describe and I'm not sure the explanation that it's normal on standard Sky would be one that I would find satisfying (unless all LCDs do that - can't remember if my old samsung did it, but I never noticed). If you detect blur on normal tv and blu ray, at what point does your tv not show blur?
 

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hmtb:
If you detect blur on normal tv and blu ray, at what point does your tv not show blur?

As the OP says, the TV doesn't show blur on the 'clear' setting....
 

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Clare Newsome:

It's the same issue with standard Sky - sad but true; a high-end, Full HD, 46in TV is never going to perform brilliantly being fed standard-definition Sky via a Scart lead, whatever the settings: the 'ask' re resolution, via that connection, is simply too much.

I dunno Clare

My dad has an A500 Pioneer fed with a standard sky+ box and a very expensive Russ Andrews Scart cable. The picture is VERY good. I certainly dont recall any motion blur at any time.
 
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Clare Newsome:hmtb:

If you detect blur on normal tv and blu ray, at what point does your tv not show blur?

As the OP says, the TV doesn't show blur on the 'clear' setting....

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aliEnRIK:Clare Newsome:

It's the same issue with standard Sky - sad but true; a high-end, Full HD, 46in TV is never going to perform brilliantly being fed standard-definition Sky via a Scart lead, whatever the settings: the 'ask' re resolution, via that connection, is simply too much.

I dunno Clare

My dad has an A500 Pioneer fed with a standard sky+ box and a very expensive Russ Andrews Scart cable. The picture is VERY good. I certainly dont recall any motion blur at any time.

But that Pioneer's an HD Ready set, not a 1080p-resolution set (like the OP's Samsung) - there's nowhere near the same amount of upscaling going on from the standard-def Sky signal!

If you're going to stick with standard def as main source, an HD Ready set is an excellent option - you save money and get a better picture with the majority of your content.
 
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pom165:
Wow I was not expecting all those replies. The only way I can explain this if a figure or object is moving fast then the edges of those figures or fast moving objects become blurred and its as if they are leaving a little bit of the figure or object behind which is causing this motion blur . I have received a new one yesterday and the problem is still there.

It can't be the TV so I can only assume its the PS3. It does do the same when on standard SKY but I was told by the chap who sold it to me that it will do that on standard SKY but should not do it on BLU RAY . If I turn the setting down, there are four:-

1. Off

2. Clear

3. Standard

4. Smooth

If I put it on clear or off there are no issues, but what is the point of having Standard and Smooth which is clearly a better picture. My only other option is to get a Blu Ray DVD player on its own and see if that makes any difference. One other thing I have a QED Classic lead which comes highly recommended on this site. I did buy this lead of Ebay as it was £20. Not sure whether to send it back and ask for my money back. :(
--Picture menu
Mode: Movie
Backlight: 3
Contrast: 91
Brightness: 45
Sharpness: 0
Color: 46
Tint: G48/R52

Advanced settings submenu
Black tone: Off
Dynamic contrast: Off
Gamma: +2
Color space: Auto
Flesh tone: 0
Edge enhancement: Off
xvYCC: Off

White balance submenu
R-Offset: 24
G-Offset: 24
B-Offset: 25
R-Gain: 25
G-Gain: 19
B-Gain: 16

Picture options submenu
Color tone: Warm2
Size: Screen Fit
Digital NR: Off
HDMI black level: Normal [grayed out]
Film mode: Auto 1
Blue only mode: Off
Auto motion plus 120Hz: Custom
Custom settings:
Blur reduction: 10
Judder reduction: 0

--Setup menu
Game Mode: Off
Energy saving: Off
BD Wise: Off try these settings , if you still see blur , take back the tv .....
 

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Clare Newsome:aliEnRIK:Clare Newsome:

It's the same issue with standard Sky - sad but true; a high-end, Full HD, 46in TV is never going to perform brilliantly being fed standard-definition Sky via a Scart lead, whatever the settings: the 'ask' re resolution, via that connection, is simply too much.

I dunno Clare

My dad has an A500 Pioneer fed with a standard sky+ box and a very expensive Russ Andrews Scart cable. The picture is VERY good. I certainly dont recall any motion blur at any time.

But that Pioneer's an HD Ready set, not a 1080p-resolution set (like the OP's Samsung) - there's nowhere near the same amount of upscaling going on from the standard-def Sky signal!

If you're going to stick with standard def as main source, an HD Ready set is an excellent option - you save money and get a better picture with the majority of your content.

Erm....no

(Got the code slightly wrong), the 500A is full 1080P and considered to be the best tv ever made
 
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Erm....no

(Got the code slightly wrong), the 500A is full 1080P and considered to be the best tv ever made

The KRP 500A is a different beast altogether. You can't compare it with other high end TVs (although I've never really checked the SCART connection). Dunno how the Pioneer engineers managed to create such a stunning masterpiece! Sad that it's not made anymore.........
 

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bigboss:aliEnRIK:

Erm....no

(Got the code slightly wrong), the 500A is full 1080P and considered to be the best tv ever made

The KRP 500A is a different beast altogether. You can't compare it with other high end TVs (although I've never really checked the SCART connection). Dunno how the Pioneer engineers managed to create such a stunning masterpiece! Sad that it's not made anymore.........

The point I was making was that the sky+ box cant be faulted
 

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bigboss:aliEnRIK:

Erm....no

(Got the code slightly wrong), the 500A is full 1080P and considered to be the best tv ever made

The KRP 500A is a different beast altogether. You can't compare it with other high end TVs (although I've never really checked the SCART connection). Dunno how the Pioneer engineers managed to create such a stunning masterpiece! Sad that it's not made anymore.........

Absolutely! Different set altogether. In a big test of upscaling we did last year, the Pioneers were the only TVs where the upscaling outpointed just about any other solution. Exemplary stuff.

But I stick with my point - backed up by many demonstrations of the fact - that a high-end, large-screen Full HD TV (yes, even a Kuro - hell, especially a Kuro!) deserves a decent source. Standard Sky, via Scart, just isn't doing your investment in the set justice.
 

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This makes me think actually, Clare, the Play TV unit on the PS3 through my Kuro outclasses the internal TV tuner by quite a margin, yet the review is still 3 stars based on an older firmware version of it. Any plans to revisit it (the Play TV unit that is)?
 

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Clare Newsome:bigboss:aliEnRIK:

Erm....no

(Got the code slightly wrong), the 500A is full 1080P and considered to be the best tv ever made

The KRP 500A is a different beast altogether. You can't compare it with other high end TVs (although I've never really checked the SCART connection). Dunno how the Pioneer engineers managed to create such a stunning masterpiece! Sad that it's not made anymore.........

Absolutely! Different set altogether. In a big test of upscaling we did last year, the Pioneers were the only TVs where the upscaling outpointed just about any other solution. Exemplary stuff.

But I stick with my point - backed up by many demonstrations of the fact - that a high-end, large-screen Full HD TV (yes, even a Kuro - hell, especially a Kuro!) deserves a decent source. Standard Sky, via Scart, just isn't doing your investment in the set justice.

IS there a A500 then? I apologise if there is
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But on the opposite hand im going to have to disagree with you Clare. Whilst SKY HD would clearly get the best out of the tv (for a tv package displaying HD content anyways), SKY+ STILL has the best SD quality so far as im aware (If you saw it running on his screen, trust me, youd know what I was on about!). SKY HD displaying SD content isnt as good (via HDMI, or scart or whatever)
 

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There was once an A500 Pioneer plasma, yes - I looked up the specs last night before replying, as I could not remember that model!

And i'm sorry, but I fundamentally disagree about Sky. The best potential SD picture from Sky comes via an HDMI connection from a Sky HD box. It's the simple nature of the upgrade from a Scart to HDMI connection.

HOWEVER, too many people still rely on the upscaling of the Sky+HD box, which isn't great, when their TV (or receiver) would do a better job. Hence our advice of setting the Sky+ HD box to output in the native resolution of the content in question (ie, set the box to AUTO) and let their TV/receiver do the rest.

In the case of a KRP-500A Kuro (or the '5090), as previously mentioned i'd fully expect the Pioneer to do a superlative job!
 

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Clare Newsome:

There was once an A500 Pioneer plasma, yes - I looked up the specs last night before replying, as I could not remember that model!

And i'm sorry, but I fundamentally disagree about Sky. The best potential SD picture from Sky comes via an HDMI connection from a Sky HD box. It's the simple nature of the upgrade from a Scart to HDMI connection.

HOWEVER, too many people still rely on the upscaling of the Sky+HD box, which isn't great, when their TV (or receiver) would do a better job. Hence our advice of setting the Sky+ HD box to output in the native resolution of the content in question (ie, set the box to AUTO) and let their TV/receiver do the rest.

In the case of a KRP-500A Kuro (or the '5090), as previously mentioned i'd fully expect the Pioneer to do a superlative job!

SKY HD boxes either FORCE deinterlacing or FORCE scaling no matter which box is used

Ill quote some users from elsewhere as a general example ~

"I've tested the SD content using HDMI, S-Video and Scart, and Scart is
the worst of the lot, but even using the HDMI input, the picture isn't
as good as my Sky+ box with Scart connection
."

"....and it seems the poor SD picture quality is quite common, and isn't just isolated to Samsung (or Amstrad) boxes.

General consensus is the box isn't very good at upscaling, whereas the
Sky+ box didn't upscale, and instead let the TV do it (well)."
"With SD channels on it's poor, have forced box to 1080i and it's better
but found no improvment between Scart and HDMI so have left HDMI in.
Running PACE box with new EPG."
"However SD is nowhere near as good as what it was on our old SKY+ box.
It looks washed out and dull. My wife noticed it so it must be bad."

"Have tried the AV1/Scart/RGB and makes no difference for me, SD still washed out"

"Anyone noticed how poor the picture quality is on normal Sky channels
with the HD box compared to actually having the normal Sky box.

Its rubbish, really blurry. You would think going through the HDMI lead rather than scart it would be much better."

"Amstrad picture quality very bad on SD.

"I find the same with my Thomson on a Panasonic plasma. Its colours are
washed out when compared to the freeview & Pace sky+ box.
"

The above are all comments from different people comparing SKY HD viewing SD content compared to their SKY + boxes

Now its possible that it depends on type of box, firmware etc. But the fact remains that MANY people have reported that SD content is worse through SKY HD boxes
 

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