Hi any advice of good match for Cyrus cd transport & 6a dac & tannoy revolution (2013). Possible budget c 1-1.5k
many thanks Julian
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Many thanks - really helpful and shows I haven't a clue
also puts me in a bit of a dilemma
need more help / advice please
also puts me in a bit of a dilemma
need more help / advice please
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julianhay said:
Quite simply if you want to attach a turntable to your amp then you need to purchase a turntable with a phono preamplifier built into it (Google them, they do exist) or you need to buy a stand alone phono preamp and connect this to your amp and the turntable to it.
Can I ask why you need a turntable, do you already own a record collection?
Well theres plenty of Turntables you can get for £1,000, you can add phono stage for around £100, then there is a cartridge if turntable you choose does not have a decent one. I would go and hear some at a decent hifi dealer if you can. Brands I would consider are Rega (Planar3), Project (25 Ann.) and Clearaudio Concept. The Rega Planar 3 is only £550, I would not buy the Rega cart but spend more on a decent one, maybe £300 then you can get a good phono stage for around £300, so about £1,150. Or Clearaudio comes with cart. for £1,000 just add phono stage.
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BigH said:
Happens to me too, now and again, when I use my tablet to access forum.
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Good advice by the way considering we do not know where the OP lives,presumably UK, and that the 1k actually refers to pounds sterling. It might be Hong Kong Dollars..... ;-)
I am also assuming he has a 6 DAC / Amp as well as the 6a is an integrated amplifier
thanks for feedback again and in response - its a 6 DAC, I have a record collection
so in short a phono preamp built in - like the clearaudio concept seems well received. plus as my collection goes back to the early 1900s it prob needs the 3 play speeds
any other kit i might need?
so in short a phono preamp built in - like the clearaudio concept seems well received. plus as my collection goes back to the early 1900s it prob needs the 3 play speeds
any other kit i might need?
many thanks. i was looking at the clearaudio concept - esp as I will need 3 speeds. also appears to have a decent cartridge with it?
so if i go for this what else would i need. would the cart be ok with what they provide
i need by sound of it a phono stage - any direction...
many thanks
so if i go for this what else would i need. would the cart be ok with what they provide
i need by sound of it a phono stage - any direction...
many thanks
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julianhay said:
Why 3 speeds? Do you intend to play 78's? These are often better with a different cartridge completely as most of them tend to be mono recordings.
Phono stage will depend on budget and which cartridge you choose for it to come fitted with. I'd stick with the MM to give you more choice in cheaper phono stages.
So I have records back to the early 1900s. So where does that leave me ?
clear audio concept and...,
clear audio concept and...,
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Agree with the others it's a tricky one to pin down, given you have old 78s.
Turntable/amplifier matching isn't as essential as amp/speaker combos, but as with most other components you can manipulate the presentation a little by changing cartridges.
The ClearAudio Concept TT is a good place to start.
I've dowloaded some info which may help you.
Turntable/amplifier matching isn't as essential as amp/speaker combos, but as with most other components you can manipulate the presentation a little by changing cartridges.
The ClearAudio Concept TT is a good place to start.
I've dowloaded some info which may help you.
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julianhay said:
If you need to play 78 rpm mono recordings as well the answer is obvious.
Rethink your turntable and buy something with a tonearm that has a detachable headshell, and buy a mono cartridge as well as spare headshell. This will enable fast cartridge swapping and give you the best possible sound from any speed record.
Possible suggestion would be an Avid Ingenium with Jelco SA250 tonearm and Grado ME+ or Ortofon 2M Mono cartridge. Probably a better all-round setup than the Concept.
EDIT. Sorry forget that turntable, I don't think it does 78rpm.
Perhaps fit a tonearm like the Jelco to the Concept in place of the normal arm.
Rega do a pulley conversion for 78's but then you lose the ability to play 45's which rather defeats the object.
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plastic penguin said:
Correct. The OP has a dilemma here if wishing to play all types of vinyl from 33.3 to old mono 78's. Most modern turntables are not prepared for this and so trying to get one at all will be difficult let alone trying to match it with anything else, which is a pointless exercise anyway.
The older 78's are unlikely to be in top condition, I may be wrong here, but you wouldn't want to trash an expensive stereo cartridge would you? This is why it's best to get a dedicated mono cartridge just to play these. The tonearm with removable headshell is recommended here for simplicity of swapping cartridges. This would then have to be mounted to one of those rare decks that does play at three speeds. This may appear to be over complicating things but it's the only way to do it justice and to avoid possibly trashing the cartridge on the Concept by asking it to do something that it wasn't designed to do, even if that turntable can rotate at 78.
the attachment was unfort for me like reading Chinese (which I can't by the way)
the 78s are in v good condition it looks like many have never been played.
I thought of clear audio concept being one of the few with 3 speeds. I have a decent amp & speakers. Wouldn't the clear audio as it is 3 speeds come with a decent cartridge that can play all 3??
then it's working out what else I need - which I now am not sure!!
the 78s are in v good condition it looks like many have never been played.
I thought of clear audio concept being one of the few with 3 speeds. I have a decent amp & speakers. Wouldn't the clear audio as it is 3 speeds come with a decent cartridge that can play all 3??
then it's working out what else I need - which I now am not sure!!
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julianhay said:
I think the manufacturer is one of the few that does offer three speeds these days. It is assuming that the owner is knowledgeable enough to swap cartridges when using the 78 rpm setting to get the best from mono recordings. The cartridge fitted will work but is not ideal.
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I agree 100% with Al Ears here. There is no way you should play 78s with a stereo fine line stylus. Its a bit like trying to drive across the outback in a Formula 1 car.
The facility to spin at 78 is a rare offering, and requires an appropriate cartridge, or at the very least a suitable one with an alternative stylus.
An alternative would be to buy an old Lenco GL78 or (similar )with 78 rpm and a mono cartridge, leaving the modern deck for LP use only.
The facility to spin at 78 is a rare offering, and requires an appropriate cartridge, or at the very least a suitable one with an alternative stylus.
An alternative would be to buy an old Lenco GL78 or (similar )with 78 rpm and a mono cartridge, leaving the modern deck for LP use only.
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nopiano said:
There's always that route although it might be cheaper to get a mono cartridge and additional headshell and a forearm that will take them I.e. replace the tonearm that comes with the Concept. Better still buy it without that arm if that is at all possible.
Your suggestion would probably be best in an ideal world with plenty of cash. ;-)
Love the analogy by the way.
was intouch with clearaudio dealer and options seem
as I have all 3 record and don’t want to change cart & reset everytime I play;
1. Concept package and decide on MM or MC – excepting sonic sound wont be great
2. Concept plus a different arm that has easily replaceable carts
3. Upgrade to (v expensive) with 2 arms & 2 carts
They think given my requirements and equipment that im using option 2 may be the best road to go down. They were going to look into pricing of SME arms and price of a Concept turntable without the arm and cartridge, and find a suitable arm, then at least we can see if this is a viable option for you,
whats thoughts? best
as I have all 3 record and don’t want to change cart & reset everytime I play;
1. Concept package and decide on MM or MC – excepting sonic sound wont be great
2. Concept plus a different arm that has easily replaceable carts
3. Upgrade to (v expensive) with 2 arms & 2 carts
They think given my requirements and equipment that im using option 2 may be the best road to go down. They were going to look into pricing of SME arms and price of a Concept turntable without the arm and cartridge, and find a suitable arm, then at least we can see if this is a viable option for you,
whats thoughts? best
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julianhay said:
You certainly don't need to go to option 3.
Anybody know exactly what mount the Clearaudio uses? I believe it is a 23mm column.
There are a lot cheaper options than an SME arm if it comes to that, think Jelco if they are compatible.
After looking into they say it isn't an option would be more expensive than buying 2 concepts with 2 different carts which is what is recommended?
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didnt realise being able to play all 3 speeds would be so difficult. Why do they have 3 speeds if so...?
competely stuck
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didnt realise being able to play all 3 speeds would be so difficult. Why do they have 3 speeds if so...?
competely stuck
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julianhay said:
Nothing in life is simple eh? You are lucky they do three speeds. It's a pity they don't make cartridge swapping easier so you can utilise all those speeds, must be a German thing. Having to manually install a different cartridge every time you want to play 78's is far from ideal.
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You aren't stuck at all, as you could still try one of my suggestions:-julianhay said:
1. Use a cartridge with an interchangeable stylus for when you want to play 78s.
2. By a used turntable with a 78 stylus and speed, as I suggested above, as well as the Clearaudio.
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