grifz:
I have the philips 9664 and i still get the wow factor ever day , does the lcd need a tinkering YES with every movie every channel or gaming .but this is part of the joy , When you know the lcd settings like the back of your hand this PQ is simply OUTSTANDING . Were WHFI right in saying its miles ahead at the time and sounds like it still is of other tv companys imop EASILY YES. pany and sony fans get over it your time will come again maybe ,until the next brill philips, Respect where respect is due thanks WHAT team ,
Calm down Grifz... sounds like you are somehow nervous to talk/show your 4 stars rating Tv Set ..
im sure its a great set and for you its a 5 star set.... we respect ! congratulations !
I have the philips 9664 and i still get the wow factor ever day , does the lcd need a tinkering YES with every movie every channel or gaming .but this is part of the joy , When you know the lcd settings like the back of your hand this PQ is simply OUTSTANDING . Were WHFI right in saying its miles ahead at the time and sounds like it still is of other tv companys imop EASILY YES. pany and sony fans get over it your time will come again maybe ,until the next brill philips, Respect where respect is due thanks WHAT team ,
Calm down Grifz... sounds like you are somehow nervous to talk/show your 4 stars rating Tv Set ..
im sure its a great set and for you its a 5 star set.... we respect ! congratulations !
in the latest tv reviews there was no mention on connecting tv's to internet and the services to things like you tube. i wondered if these sets have that facility and how they perform. also the panasonic got 4 stars instead of 5 due to costing !! isnt it about time you ignored price and just focused on what the tv does, for example a persons budget is their budget, therefore i want to know what tv gives me the best picture, as you state the panasonic gives the best blacks on test ? i would possibly ignore the panasonic on 4 stars without realising its lost a star cos YOU think its overpriced ?? and to justify giving the sony 5 stars, is the philips really worth 900 quid more ? i feel the reviews tend to waffle on too much at times when the reviews could be a bit more technical ? just my opinion but still a fan
Which was the point I was trying to get accross earlier in this thread, can you really justify £1800 for a slightly better picture? This is down to personal choice.
On a more logical note, if you compare the features of the Samsung, it is 3D ready and has a freeview HD tuner built in, but has no wi-fi (although I believe a wi-fi dongle can be bought for £80). The Philips is not 3D ready and does not have a freeview HD tuner built in, given this I still can't see how the Phlips won, surely the Samsung should have won out of the two on features, it was a close call on picture and sound quality, however the cost of Philips should have been detrimental to the overall score.
IMO the Samsung can justifty the £1800 cost as its a 3DTV, I can't see how the Philips TV can? Also this year, almost all but the cheapest TV's will have freeview HD tuners in them and yet the premium Phlips TV does not have this either.
I guess I'm trying to say that on paper the Philips does not have more features than any of the TV's in the supertest, in fact the opposite (for the cost) and yet it still won.
I also wondered why the G20 did not get 5 stars for its features (listed on page 42)? The charts show it has more hardware features than the other TV's yet it got 4 stars for this (oh I also noticed an error here, the G20 has 2 USB inputs on the side of the TV, the chart states it has none).
Cheers
On a more logical note, if you compare the features of the Samsung, it is 3D ready and has a freeview HD tuner built in, but has no wi-fi (although I believe a wi-fi dongle can be bought for £80). The Philips is not 3D ready and does not have a freeview HD tuner built in, given this I still can't see how the Phlips won, surely the Samsung should have won out of the two on features, it was a close call on picture and sound quality, however the cost of Philips should have been detrimental to the overall score.
IMO the Samsung can justifty the £1800 cost as its a 3DTV, I can't see how the Philips TV can? Also this year, almost all but the cheapest TV's will have freeview HD tuners in them and yet the premium Phlips TV does not have this either.
I guess I'm trying to say that on paper the Philips does not have more features than any of the TV's in the supertest, in fact the opposite (for the cost) and yet it still won.
I also wondered why the G20 did not get 5 stars for its features (listed on page 42)? The charts show it has more hardware features than the other TV's yet it got 4 stars for this (oh I also noticed an error here, the G20 has 2 USB inputs on the side of the TV, the chart states it has none).
Cheers
In defence of the What Hi Fi Staff it has Certainly been my experience that in recent times Sony TVs have fallen out of favour compared to previous years.
I have no impression of a recent bias towards their products and feel that the reviews are always fair other than sometimes when I notice that a product from one company's range is tested against one from another company where the two are clearly in differnt price categories ie Piomeer BDP 320 versus Sony BDPS360 rather than Piuoneer BDP 120 versus the Sony in the same price category
I would be much happier to see the equivalent value products compared from each manufacturer and this would emphasise more fairly who produces the best product in each prive category
This is not an uncommon observation albeit that WHFi is not alone in doing so
Why was the Pioneer BDP 120 and perhaps other similar products never compared as above (or even reviewed to nmy knowledge)
I am in no way defending the Pioneer product - it just seems convenient for Pioneer to have a better quality product in a comparison test even with the price proviso that is mentioned when such a product wins a test
Regards
Robstar 63
I have no impression of a recent bias towards their products and feel that the reviews are always fair other than sometimes when I notice that a product from one company's range is tested against one from another company where the two are clearly in differnt price categories ie Piomeer BDP 320 versus Sony BDPS360 rather than Piuoneer BDP 120 versus the Sony in the same price category
I would be much happier to see the equivalent value products compared from each manufacturer and this would emphasise more fairly who produces the best product in each prive category
This is not an uncommon observation albeit that WHFi is not alone in doing so
Why was the Pioneer BDP 120 and perhaps other similar products never compared as above (or even reviewed to nmy knowledge)
I am in no way defending the Pioneer product - it just seems convenient for Pioneer to have a better quality product in a comparison test even with the price proviso that is mentioned when such a product wins a test
Regards
Robstar 63
robstar63:
Why was the Pioneer BDP 120 and perhaps other similar products never compared as above (or even reviewed to nmy knowledge)
Pioneer BDP-120 not supplied for review....
Why was the Pioneer BDP 120 and perhaps other similar products never compared as above (or even reviewed to nmy knowledge)
Pioneer BDP-120 not supplied for review....
HI, first post here.
well I've just read the TV supertest in the May edition and I was wondering if I can read across your comments and result to the 46 inch version of the Philips 40PFL9704, since I am in the market for a TV of that size, or should I wait for your appraisal?
best regards
well I've just read the TV supertest in the May edition and I was wondering if I can read across your comments and result to the 46 inch version of the Philips 40PFL9704, since I am in the market for a TV of that size, or should I wait for your appraisal?
best regards
Ah silly moi! - ignore my last post - just found your comments on the 46PFL9704 on the WHiFi site!
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mrobins:well I've just read the TV supertest in the May edition and I was wondering if I can read across your comments and result to the 46 inch version of the Philips 40PFL9704, No, probably not, since different-sized TVs within a range use entirely different panels, quite possibly even sourced from different manufacturers.
Well folks this is my first post on the WH forum, having been an avid reader for years.
I look forward to reading this group test in the magazine, having recently talked the boss into letting me change our TV. I bought the 42" G20. I must admit I was wondering what the WH review would be like, having spent ages in the shop myself comparing the G20 and the Philips 9664. I went to the shop all set to buy the Philips and came out with the G20! For me I preferred the picture on the G20, and feel sure I'd prefer it even if the price was the same! So the £500 price difference and 5 year warranty meant it was a no brainer really!
With regards the looks, they didn't blow me away at first, but the longer I have it, the more it just looks like a quality bit of kit. It was the same for my last TV, a 32in Sony LCD. I didn't test both with Bluray so I'm not sure if the 9664 would have shown me something extra with this format - but through my Sony S360 the G20 looks simply breathtaking! With low light in the room it's the first time the mrs has ever commented on picture quality - so that says it all for me!
I'm not sure if joining this forum will be a good thing, as I'm already thinking of ways to convince the boss that we need a new home cinema setup!
I look forward to reading this group test in the magazine, having recently talked the boss into letting me change our TV. I bought the 42" G20. I must admit I was wondering what the WH review would be like, having spent ages in the shop myself comparing the G20 and the Philips 9664. I went to the shop all set to buy the Philips and came out with the G20! For me I preferred the picture on the G20, and feel sure I'd prefer it even if the price was the same! So the £500 price difference and 5 year warranty meant it was a no brainer really!
With regards the looks, they didn't blow me away at first, but the longer I have it, the more it just looks like a quality bit of kit. It was the same for my last TV, a 32in Sony LCD. I didn't test both with Bluray so I'm not sure if the 9664 would have shown me something extra with this format - but through my Sony S360 the G20 looks simply breathtaking! With low light in the room it's the first time the mrs has ever commented on picture quality - so that says it all for me!
I'm not sure if joining this forum will be a good thing, as I'm already thinking of ways to convince the boss that we need a new home cinema setup!
BennyBubbles:
Well folks this is my first post on the WH forum, having been an avid reader for years.
I look forward to reading this group test in the magazine, having recently talked the boss into letting me change our TV. I bought the 42" G20. I must admit I was wondering what the WH review would be like, having spent ages in the shop myself comparing the G20 and the Philips 9664. I went to the shop all set to buy the Philips and came out with the G20! For me I preferred the picture on the G20, and feel sure I'd prefer it even if the price was the same! So the £500 price difference and 5 year warranty meant it was a no brainer really!
With regards the looks, they didn't blow me away at first, but the longer I have it, the more it just looks like a quality bit of kit. It was the same for my last TV, a 32in Sony LCD. I didn't test both with Bluray so I'm not sure if the 9664 would have shown me something extra with this format - but through my Sony S360 the G20 looks simply breathtaking! With low light in the room it's the first time the mrs has ever commented on picture quality - so that says it all for me!
I'm not sure if joining this forum will be a good thing, as I'm already thinking of ways to convince the boss that we need a new home cinema setup!
Nice to read your review !
Well folks this is my first post on the WH forum, having been an avid reader for years.
I look forward to reading this group test in the magazine, having recently talked the boss into letting me change our TV. I bought the 42" G20. I must admit I was wondering what the WH review would be like, having spent ages in the shop myself comparing the G20 and the Philips 9664. I went to the shop all set to buy the Philips and came out with the G20! For me I preferred the picture on the G20, and feel sure I'd prefer it even if the price was the same! So the £500 price difference and 5 year warranty meant it was a no brainer really!
With regards the looks, they didn't blow me away at first, but the longer I have it, the more it just looks like a quality bit of kit. It was the same for my last TV, a 32in Sony LCD. I didn't test both with Bluray so I'm not sure if the 9664 would have shown me something extra with this format - but through my Sony S360 the G20 looks simply breathtaking! With low light in the room it's the first time the mrs has ever commented on picture quality - so that says it all for me!
I'm not sure if joining this forum will be a good thing, as I'm already thinking of ways to convince the boss that we need a new home cinema setup!
Nice to read your review !
This months supertest is very interesting as im going to buy a new TV very soon, I accept that WHF found the sony set to be better than the panasonic and on this thread they have said it would still be better at the same price. They mention in the review that "sony has missed out on top honours in a couple of recent TV tests, mainly due to our concerns over inconsistent backlighting", which I think proves tha WHF does NOT have a bias towards Sony. You then go on to say that you hope sony have "made this a problem of the past".
My question to WHF is how many sets do you get to test of the same model, im presuming its only one? And if so do you believe that one set is adequate enough to prove thatbacklighting issues have been resolved? As I remember the backlighting issues only affected certain sony screens. Generally you rated Sony TV's as 5-4 stars, 5 star reviews being reserved for the few TV's that did not show evidence of this. Caution was advised when purchasing, and it was the subject of many a debate on this website and probably some of the longest threads in WHF history. From comments on this thread where someone flagged up the possibilities that there may be issues with the latest bunch, do you feel that maybe more caution should be advised? I accept you have to rate the product as seen, but given the history I feel it should have been mentioned more in the closing award segment. Im worried that, as for previous models, it was pot luck wether or not you had issues with back light?
have you seen any other new Sony models? Are there any early signs of the backlight issue comming back to haunt Sony?
Ive seen the panasonic online for around £850 at laskys which I think sounds a good deal. And whilst im not totally put off from buying the sony (i will audition both, plus others) i am put of by the experience of previous Sony customers, and the head in the sand attitude of Sony themselves.
Cheers!
My question to WHF is how many sets do you get to test of the same model, im presuming its only one? And if so do you believe that one set is adequate enough to prove thatbacklighting issues have been resolved? As I remember the backlighting issues only affected certain sony screens. Generally you rated Sony TV's as 5-4 stars, 5 star reviews being reserved for the few TV's that did not show evidence of this. Caution was advised when purchasing, and it was the subject of many a debate on this website and probably some of the longest threads in WHF history. From comments on this thread where someone flagged up the possibilities that there may be issues with the latest bunch, do you feel that maybe more caution should be advised? I accept you have to rate the product as seen, but given the history I feel it should have been mentioned more in the closing award segment. Im worried that, as for previous models, it was pot luck wether or not you had issues with back light?
have you seen any other new Sony models? Are there any early signs of the backlight issue comming back to haunt Sony?
Ive seen the panasonic online for around £850 at laskys which I think sounds a good deal. And whilst im not totally put off from buying the sony (i will audition both, plus others) i am put of by the experience of previous Sony customers, and the head in the sand attitude of Sony themselves.
Cheers!
greymack:
When i bought my Philips 42" 9664 and i told friends and colleagues they were astonished....."you bought a 42" lcd are you mad" was the common response. Just about everyone of them had that little bit of knowledge they had picked up either from visiting comet or a friend which states anything above 40" = Plasma, below 40" = LCD. Now this may have been true 3 years ago i don'r believe it's true now. I went into quite a few shops and just looked at TV's, i didn't really acknowledge if they were lcd or plasma, they were just tv's amd i looked for the best picture i could see.
I agree that people shouldn't take TVs on make or type, but look at the images and listen to the sounds. However, when a Philips TV that runs at £1800 beats a Panasonic that's £700 less, general buyers will plump for the Panasonic. Indeed, it's a very difficult upsell to the G20 at work (from the old S10 which we still have stock of) because of the price difference.
Also - Philips doesn't have a contract with Comet, so I can't compare and sell their sets against any of the others in the test or otherwise. My last TV was a Philips 32pfl9632 and I was sad to see it go, but quite happy to have a free upgrade to the Panasonic 42G20 through a work competition
When i bought my Philips 42" 9664 and i told friends and colleagues they were astonished....."you bought a 42" lcd are you mad" was the common response. Just about everyone of them had that little bit of knowledge they had picked up either from visiting comet or a friend which states anything above 40" = Plasma, below 40" = LCD. Now this may have been true 3 years ago i don'r believe it's true now. I went into quite a few shops and just looked at TV's, i didn't really acknowledge if they were lcd or plasma, they were just tv's amd i looked for the best picture i could see.
I agree that people shouldn't take TVs on make or type, but look at the images and listen to the sounds. However, when a Philips TV that runs at £1800 beats a Panasonic that's £700 less, general buyers will plump for the Panasonic. Indeed, it's a very difficult upsell to the G20 at work (from the old S10 which we still have stock of) because of the price difference.
Also - Philips doesn't have a contract with Comet, so I can't compare and sell their sets against any of the others in the test or otherwise. My last TV was a Philips 32pfl9632 and I was sad to see it go, but quite happy to have a free upgrade to the Panasonic 42G20 through a work competition
PINK MOON:
This months supertest is very interesting as im going to buy a new TV very soon, I accept that WHF found the sony set to be better than the panasonic and on this thread they have said it would still be better at the same price. They mention in the review that "sony has missed out on top honours in a couple of recent TV tests, mainly due to our concerns over inconsistent backlighting", which I think proves tha WHF does NOT have a bias towards Sony. You then go on to say that you hope sony have "made this a problem of the past".
My question to WHF is how many sets do you get to test of the same model, im presuming its only one? And if so do you believe that one set is adequate enough to prove thatbacklighting issues have been resolved? As I remember the backlighting issues only affected certain sony screens. Generally you rated Sony TV's as 5-4 stars, 5 star reviews being reserved for the few TV's that did not show evidence of this. Caution was advised when purchasing, and it was the subject of many a debate on this website and probably some of the longest threads in WHF history. From comments on this thread where someone flagged up the possibilities that there may be issues with the latest bunch, do you feel that maybe more caution should be advised? I accept you have to rate the product as seen, but given the history I feel it should have been mentioned more in the closing award segment. Im worried that, as for previous models, it was pot luck wether or not you had issues with back light?
have you seen any other new Sony models? Are there any early signs of the backlight issue comming back to haunt Sony?
Ive seen the panasonic online for around £850 at laskys which I think sounds a good deal. And whilst im not totally put off from buying the sony (i will audition both, plus others) i am put of by the experience of previous Sony customers, and the head in the sand attitude of Sony themselves.
Cheers!
Any takers from the WHF? Don't be shy, im not fishing or anything. Just finally in the position to buy a TV, the last tv i got was around7-8 years ago the panasonic px 28ps1 with the help of your recomendation, so im hoping you can help me with my last few niggles.
thanks.
This months supertest is very interesting as im going to buy a new TV very soon, I accept that WHF found the sony set to be better than the panasonic and on this thread they have said it would still be better at the same price. They mention in the review that "sony has missed out on top honours in a couple of recent TV tests, mainly due to our concerns over inconsistent backlighting", which I think proves tha WHF does NOT have a bias towards Sony. You then go on to say that you hope sony have "made this a problem of the past".
My question to WHF is how many sets do you get to test of the same model, im presuming its only one? And if so do you believe that one set is adequate enough to prove thatbacklighting issues have been resolved? As I remember the backlighting issues only affected certain sony screens. Generally you rated Sony TV's as 5-4 stars, 5 star reviews being reserved for the few TV's that did not show evidence of this. Caution was advised when purchasing, and it was the subject of many a debate on this website and probably some of the longest threads in WHF history. From comments on this thread where someone flagged up the possibilities that there may be issues with the latest bunch, do you feel that maybe more caution should be advised? I accept you have to rate the product as seen, but given the history I feel it should have been mentioned more in the closing award segment. Im worried that, as for previous models, it was pot luck wether or not you had issues with back light?
have you seen any other new Sony models? Are there any early signs of the backlight issue comming back to haunt Sony?
Ive seen the panasonic online for around £850 at laskys which I think sounds a good deal. And whilst im not totally put off from buying the sony (i will audition both, plus others) i am put of by the experience of previous Sony customers, and the head in the sand attitude of Sony themselves.
Cheers!
Any takers from the WHF? Don't be shy, im not fishing or anything. Just finally in the position to buy a TV, the last tv i got was around7-8 years ago the panasonic px 28ps1 with the help of your recomendation, so im hoping you can help me with my last few niggles.
thanks.
You're talking to yourself now, PM. We get a single sample from manufacturers, but if we feel there's a major problem we will often request a second before publishing a review.
I must agree with you, never ever have I found your reviews to be contradictory to my findings. Requesting a 2nd sample in the case of a query used and I hope is still standard practice with all publications and has been since I got into Hi-Fi in 1968.
On another note I cannot ever take anybody seriously when they start their sentences in lower case and are lazy and use i rather than I! After all, how much have they lowered their standards elsewhere?
On another note I cannot ever take anybody seriously when they start their sentences in lower case and are lazy and use i rather than I! After all, how much have they lowered their standards elsewhere?
BennyBubbles: I look forward to reading this group test in the magazine, having recently talked the boss into letting me change our TV. I bought the 42" G20. I must admit I was wondering what the WH review would be like, having spent ages in the shop myself comparing the G20 and the Philips 9664. I went to the shop all set to buy the Philips and came out with the G20! For me I preferred the picture on the G20, and feel sure I'd prefer it even if the price was the same! So the £500 price difference and 5 year warranty meant it was a no brainer really!
I couldn't agree more! I of course respect that WhatHifi is of a different opinion, but can't help feeling a little puzzled about the conclusions. All the well recognised Danish reviewerer agrees that G20 is an excellent performer. One commented in this thread, that black level isn't everything. I definately agree. Good shadow details is far more important! On this front most LED set's doesn't do so well. The Philips is no exception. Panasonic G20 on the other hand is among the best on test. It might not be the best TV ever - but here is the funny part - for the money it is unbeatable!
I haven't made a close comparison between Danish and UK prices, so the situation could of course be different in the UK. In Denmark most people agree that G20 is the best value for money.
I couldn't agree more! I of course respect that WhatHifi is of a different opinion, but can't help feeling a little puzzled about the conclusions. All the well recognised Danish reviewerer agrees that G20 is an excellent performer. One commented in this thread, that black level isn't everything. I definately agree. Good shadow details is far more important! On this front most LED set's doesn't do so well. The Philips is no exception. Panasonic G20 on the other hand is among the best on test. It might not be the best TV ever - but here is the funny part - for the money it is unbeatable!
I haven't made a close comparison between Danish and UK prices, so the situation could of course be different in the UK. In Denmark most people agree that G20 is the best value for money.
I'm wondering if someone from WH mag can confirm there was a mistake on page 42 of the latest issue.
I noticed an error with the G20 feature list, the TV has 2 USB inputs on the side of the TV however the feature chart states it has none.
Cheers
I noticed an error with the G20 feature list, the TV has 2 USB inputs on the side of the TV however the feature chart states it has none.
Cheers
Thanks for the update guys.
I'm not trying to be antagonistic here, but I am wondering why the G20 got 4 stars for features on Page 42, yet to me seems to have the most features of the TV's in the super test?
Just a question, I'm not beating the Panasonic drum, just trying to work out how the stars are awarded.
Thanks
I'm not trying to be antagonistic here, but I am wondering why the G20 got 4 stars for features on Page 42, yet to me seems to have the most features of the TV's in the super test?
Just a question, I'm not beating the Panasonic drum, just trying to work out how the stars are awarded.
Thanks
Hi if the philips 42pfl9664 had been in this test how well would it have done? would it have kept it's 5 stars?
Thanks
Thanks
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